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his role is to waste cap space and we'd succeed best benching him.

Congrats Z on 700 pts!

However bad the Wings get, and honestly they are not all that bad, it's nothing compared to the 70s and 80s. THAT was a sad time to be a Wings fan. Everyone be grateful for that at least.

Nyquist draws a lot of penalties, wish he was up the entire year. Instead we had Cleary to does nothing but take penalties.

Somebody post a video of Cleary falling down with nobody around him

After the way hes been playing, i think we all need to be patient. Its hard to remember he hasn't played a full season yet, so his defensive lapses are to be expected. But seriously. He stood up in a big way last night, and his potential for offensive ability is awesome. If our d wasn't depleted I'd be all on daburas idea to play him up front But i am excited to see how good he can be, and i was really hard on him at the start of the season. And I think Him and dd would be an awesome pairing, now and in the future.

He needs a system where the players listen to him and do whats asked of them. SHOOT THE PUCK! MAKE THE SIMPLE PLAY! A part from Babcock playing in the game and doing it for them there is only so much he can do. I could see it now, Babcock (in the stupidest managerial move in hockey history) gets let go by Detroit today at noon and at 12:01 the coach of Tampa Bay gets fired and at 12:01:30 Babcock has a coaching job in Tampa working for Yzerman! You can't have a Stanley Cup winning team every year and we are 22 straight years in the playoff, longest running streak in all of the major pro sports!! Let him do his job, things will straighten out OR invent the electronic remote control device that Babcock can use from the bench to electricute the desired player at the time he needs to shoot rather than pass. It can also be used to punish a player after he has given the puck to the wrong team (which we should also blame on Babcock I suppose), taken a stupid penalty, gotten hurt for an extended period of time, etc.

F*** it, I'll do it. I'll even bring my own jersey. I can't skate, shoot, or play defensive but I'll swing at anything that gets near Howard or the top two lines. Dammit this team is a bunch of *******.

I have been saying this for a long time. Brendan Smith should be the guy manning the point on the 2nd PP unit... not Kindl. Kindl is like a little kid when he gets the puck... he never knows what to do and then just ends up making a stupid play. Smith has the offensive instinct and the ability to get points. Babcock is making a huge mistake not playing Smith on the PP

They can have quincey for free

Balls

Best way to use Sammy is to strap him to the net like Goldberg in mighty ducks and use him as a shooter tutor in practice. Otherwise maybe fill water bottles?

Wrist shots to the other teams jersey crest? Offsides? Turnovers? Standing around and getting caught out of position? Increasing the blood pressure of Red Wings fans [just like Dan Cleary] who'd rather see a young prospect in his spot? Did I win?

He does provide the team with a guaranteed offsides call every other time he steps on the ice (I was going to end that comment with a smiley or an "lol", but it's just too darn aggrevating)

What probably went unnoticed on that play by Z, was Nyquist with the Datsyukian backcheck to take that puck from Erhoff.

Maybe Helm should be in our top six.

Man, Quincey is the worst

I was just thinking that. Oh man that was hilarious. Someone make a gif. Please!

I say we have the team sit out the next game, forfeit that game (we'd be losing the 2 pts anyway), and have this team go for group psych therapy to get these mental issues worked out. Maybe then they can get back to playing hockey instead of slugging around like empty shells.

I've made my points on Quincey. He's a flaming bag of s*** on someones porch. But if not for Hollands poor management, how good could this team be? Quincey: 3.775 cap hit, 3 assists in 24 GP -14 Cleary: 1.75 cap hit 1G 2A in 23 GP +1 Samuelsson: 3.00 cap hit 1G 1A in 12 GP -1 Miller: 1.35 cap hit 1G 1A in 24 GP -8 Tootoo: 1.9 cap hit 0G 0A in 8GP -4 Eaves: 1.2 cap hit 0G 0A in 3 GP -2 12.975mil tied up in 6 guys who don't really do much. Could plugging in affordable kids and spending money more wisely on secondary scoring have really made us worse? Obviously not. As a saving grace, 4 of them are UFA's at seasons end, and when the cap goes up Millers contract won't be so bad. But it isn't pretty for this season, I had forgotten about Eaves and Tootoos contracts sitting in the minors, just poor management this season.

Ha, fair enough. I like to think of myself as one of the more reasonable posters on here, but this thread touched a nerve I'm afraid. Excellent, that's twice in a month that I've been nominated, I've got a realgud chance of winning this year now!

WTF is wrong with this team??? Their top player and arguably the best in the world gets elbowed in the head and not one sorry ass player does anything about it. I don't care if there is a suspension or not what i want to see is the team stand up for themselves and one another at the point when the incident happens, there is something fundamentally wrong with this team and their principles. Illitch should just relocate them to Sweden and let them play over there and Holland will be the happiest man alive. Im sorry to derail the thread but it infuriates me to watch this team and their complete lack of heart and toughness.

Picking up Kyle Quincey was momumental in filling the void once Lidstrom retired.

LGW Whipping Boy.

He is actually better than Cleary at this point in their respective careers. I'll give him that and if he could start blasting home some one timers on the 2nd PP unit I would be ecstatic