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I would trade anyone doe the right deal. A risk isn't the right deal though, and Myers is a risk. He could turn into a stud after a trade like Chara and Pronged, or he could continue to play like a deer caught in the headlights and miss 20% of each season, or he could just settle into being a decent second pair D.

What a goal!!!! NOW GET THE f*** INTO THE DRESSING ROOM, FLUSH THE s*** OUT OF YOUR HEADS AND DOMINATE PERIODS 2 AND 3

Oooh so that's how it works... That's why there are so many negative posters on here... I get it now... Always look at the glass half empty so that there are no let downs, just pleasant surprises... Gotcha.

Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal. Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it. Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are. As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that. What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light. "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with. Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not? You? And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at. Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league. But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies. As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website: Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage." That's objective. Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not. The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion. ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point. They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win. And it shows in their body language. We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now. Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa. All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.

PANTHERS (11-8-7) at RED WINGS (17-6-6) TV: FS-D, FS-F Season series: Vincent Trocheck (one goal, two assists) and Jimmy Hayes (one goal, one assist) led the way to victory for the Florida Panthers in the first game. Center Pavel Datsyuk had a goal and assist for the Detroit Red Wings. Panthers team scope: Rather than sinking to the bottom of the NHL standings as many predicted, the Panthers are hanging around the Stanley Cup Playoffs picture in the Eastern Conference. They've alternated wins and losses in their past six games (3-2-1) and lost 4-2 on Monday at the St. Louis Blues to start a three-game road trip. Rookie defensemanAaron Ekblad, who is on a five-game point streak, missed practice Thursday because of soreness. He and coach Gerard Gallant told reporters it was nothing to worry about. Injured forwards Scottie Upshall (ankle) and Aleksander Barkov (groin and hand) practiced Thursday in Detroit. Upshall might be ready to face the Red Wings and Barkov is targeting a possible return next week. Defenseman Shane O'Brien was recalled Thursday from San Antonio of the American Hockey League. Red Wings team scope: Detroit is coming off a 2-1 shootout loss Wednesday against the Toronto Maple Leafs. The defeat snapped a three-game win streak for the Red Wings, who've used a 11-3-2 stretch in their past 16 games to surge to the upper crust of the Atlantic Division and Eastern Conference. Forward Justin Abdelkader (shoulder) practiced Thursday, but coach Mike Babcock said his return isn't likely until next week, and the Red Wings placed him on injured reserve, retroactive to Nov. 30. After practice, Babcock shot down reports that he was close to signing a contract extension, saying he isn't likely to sign an extension during the season. Defenseman Danny DeKeyser has an upper-body injury that will keep him out for at least this weekend. Defenseman Xavier Ouellet was recalled Thursday from Grand Rapids of the AHL.

Datsyuk should never ever ever try to pass to Andersson.

I didn't notice or hear anything to suggest he had a terrible attitude. To me it looked like he really enjoyed being a Red Wing, and I was happy to have him while he was here. Pretty sure he just thought he was worth more than he actually was.

Good one.

Panthers really believe they’re better than Detroit. It’s all about desire. Florida have their work boots on and Detroit? They have Franzen.

Feels like a good night for pizza and beer.

That's the way the #7 should be used when there's am NHL ready prospect in GR.

IDK when I try to talk with him about it he gets a vacant look in his eyes and then runs away.

edit: i read wrongly and then posted a response that made little sense.

That's not funny. My cat was abducted by raccoons and was never the same again.

Wow, that's a very accurate description

Are you saying that you intentionally believe unlikely things, so that when they don't happen you're happy about the surprise? Because it sounds like you are. In which case I wonder, why stop there? You could believe a whole host of horrible (and unlikely) things and then celebrate your good luck when they don't happen. Here's a couple... 1. I'm going to get eaten by a shark tomorrow. 2. Next Thursday my house will be poisoned by radon. 3. Racoons will abscond with my cat. 4. This year, I really will get a lump of coal for Christmas. 5. I'm probably already possessed by Satan (or perhaps some lesser imp).

I might care about this.... if the outdoor game deal hadn't already been completely watered down and ruined with the flood of other outdoor games besides the Winter Classic.

Not that Jimmy has been great in shootout situations. But the thread title should really be, "Red sucks in a shootout Wings." Cause it's most certainly not all on Jimmy.

+10 points for originality