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I actually wasn't nitpicking at all here....difference between 19.6 years old and 18 years old is massive. Go look at a bunch of players that played in junior for 3 or years and check their production difference from 18 to 19 years old. I'd be you'll see a lot increase production 50+ % in that one year and the difference we are talking about is closer to 2 years than it is to 1. I've seen it, over and over and over again. The quick and easy example is Mantha...at 18 he scored 89 points in 67 games, at 19, he scored 120 points in 57 games.....increased his production by 59%. I'm not saying it's always like this, but it's quite ordinary. It's hard to do this by looking at the good NHL players because most of them never play in junior by the time they are 19. The best of the best are in the NHL a year earlier, the good players may stay back a year in junior, but for the most part, it's rare to play in junior 2 years after draft age for guys that ultimately become NHL stars.

I don't get what the argument is here. Chowloski is ranked 6th among defense points and it's his first season in that league. The rest of the guys on top 10 have been in the league longer than him. Age wise only 2 of the players on the top 10 are younger than Cholowski, the rest older or the same age, but still all of them have been in the league longer. Regardless of how you cut it, Cholowski doesn't have any more significant advantage than the other 9 players, if anything the others have more experience in that league than he does.

Oh yeah. YOU felsh out YOUR rumor That sucks though, Sabres were trying to trade Bogo

He was traded to the Portland Winterhawks

Ignore @e_prime I got the spicy rumors

Yeah, I don't wanna be a downer, but I'd put money on their season being completely the opposite next year.

#TrueRumor The only deal I wanna hear about between DET and ARIZ (really Friedman?) is for OEL.

That's because it's a bigger honor to be in our rafters than to be in the HHOF, and I hope we keep it like that

My main point is that I ignore stats for the most part of older players in juniors because it really doesn't mean much. If a player at that age isn't putting up big numbers than it's a problem for sure. I get that he's a defensemen, but if he wasn't high in the scoring list for Dmen, this thread wouldn't exist, so that's why I focus on discounting the stats in the context of this thread. I haven't seen him play in junior to judge otherwise anyway. So, just to provide more statistical age evidence, I did go through ever roster and of the 710 players that have played at least 1 game, he's older than 620 (or 87%) of them. The 87% is actually probably low in reality though because of the small group of players that are older than him, there is a good chunk of them that haven't played many games (literally some with 1 game) due to age restrictions. I don't have this year's stats, but assuming similar to last year....at start of season, average age for player in WHL was 17.98 years. He started the season at 19.6 years. Most sole point was that he's playing against younger guys, which is normally a big deal at that age level, so I wouldn't place too much weight on his production in terms of future projections.

Cholowski was scratched last night... looks like PG will probably deal him today before the WHL Trade Deadline at 3 PM MT

I dont get why people are disputing anything here. For the kid to be good at the NHL level, ideally he needs to play well in the WHL, then if/when he goes to the AHL he needs to play well also. Nobody is saying that success at the WHL level guarantees success at the NHL level, but its a good first step. Can't we just leave it at that? All we can evaluate the kid by is his performance at the WHL level because that's where he is playing.

I mean if that's what you think. Bottom line is I have a hotter wife and a cooler son.

I got your back broski.

Totally valid point and I don't disagree with you. The guys over 19 still playing there are probably lesser players. (You could say that just about any league besides the NHL is full of lesser players.) But they also have more experience, which is a developmental advantage. My point was that Cholowski is playing against guys who ARE older (literally and developmentally) and have MORE experience at that level even if they have lower potential. Not saying anyone is wrong or I'm right. I just see Cholowski's development as a positive and I am optimistic. Being 6th in points shouldnt be viewed as disappointment. Besides, I haven't heard Devellano complaining yet. Haters gonna hate.

While Chychrun is playing 20 min a night in the NHL, this fool is nervously meeting some dumb girls parents Trade em

Nah , I’m the one with the nicer tan.

I don't even think Datsyuk cares if it was retired to be honest. He's way more into his country, which is fine. I think the others might care more though.

Beyond all this sarcasm and political prejudice you have a point.

Lol why do you say that? They should play this video on the night the three of them get retired:

Move along partner, nothing to see here

Chelios did pretty well with 24, though. And if your thinking the 8 as a hex - since his career was longer than any other NHL defenseman, I don't think it fits.