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Yzerman came in, ran a draft, singed a couple vets. How exactly has the rebuild been set back? Or paused it even? Enlighten us. I'm going to go make some popcorn.

Why is this still a thing? Milan Lucic was just traded and we still have people talking about "untradeable contacts"? There. is. no. such. thing. as. an. untradeable. contract...

I think it feels worse because Holland and Co. were more concerned about keeping the playoff streak alive then starting the inevitable rebuild so it feels like we've been in it for a while. He also gave out some horrible untradeable contracts that are part of the problem right now too. Once Holland got his head into the rebuild game the last two seasons I think he did a great job, Yzerman will carry on very much the same way. I was definitely one of the Yzerman fan boys hoping he'd some day come home, I have faith he'll get it done...I want to see that crazy story book ending where Yzerman brings the cup back to Detroit

Be it Holland ,or Yzerman - I'm still expecting a few years of mediocrity...It comes down to luck at the draft, a few shrewd moves via trade/ufa, and keeping our rfa's in check with reasonable contracts.

Because Holland would have drafted / signed different players that may or may not be better or worse than the one's that Yzerman drafted / signed... obviously...

Especially that time he traded him.

Except Val Filppula, Yzerman loves him some Val Filppula.

I agreed with most of what he said, but that part is indeed untrue. Helm could be dealt if we retained a mil, Nielsen could garner some interest, Abby is the only one that would have to have incentives, but like Lucic if the deal was right we could move him.

That's mostly what I'm afraid of, to be honest. That he plans to take a couple years to get up to speed, and then start to work on his vision for what he wants to build. That we've gone from being 3+ years into a rebuild to multiple years away from starting one.

HYPE!

This isn't a defense of Holland, but rather an observation. I do think that it is much easier to trade a player if you just walked in to become GM, opposed to trading a player that you personally signed, and quite possibly said things like "we want you to finish your career as a Wing" to. Not that Holland said that, but I have to think that things like that have to factor in on your decision making. Also, in Edmonton they are in win-now mode with McDavid, here we were re-building where I'm sure the urgency to move a contract like that was significantly less. With that said, I agree with your point. Yzerman coming in means he has no emotional ties to any player, and that's probably a good thing.

Will be interesting to see how much of Lucic's salary Holland is retaining. Not sure how much this makes sense for Calgary... trading with your biggest rival as well. That said, If Holland retains a lot of salary and Neal doesn't tun things around... he may have just compounded an already bad problem.

That is a pretty bold statement given that a team build by Yzerman just won the Presidents Trophy by a mile and almost beat a record held by a pre-cap Red Wings team, that was supposed never to fall in a league that promotes parity like there is no tomorrow. Yes, that team also lost four in a row in post season after that. It happens in sport. But four ******* games don't make or break Yzermans superb performance as a GM in Tampa.

I don't care that he didn't fill the 2C hole. I don't care that he signed some veteran stopgaps. In fact, I said numerous times that he was probably going to sign veteran stopgaps. It's what he did in his first offseason as Tampa's GM. It's only disappointing to people who are laboring under the illusion that we're anything but an organization that's still in the middle of a painful rebuild. Maybe he could've acquired Marleau. Maybe he shouldn't have signed the UFAs that he signed. I dunno. At the end of the day, I don't think it really matters all that much. We suck, there's basically nothing we can do to truly accelerate the rebuild timeline right now, we need to get some (more) elite talent in the pipeline, we need to endure some more pain for a little while longer. I don't like the situation, but it is what it is. Yzerman felt we could use some depth (I explained that we basically had no decent veteran shutdown defenseman outside of DeKeyser and that having another Nielsen gives us a bit more depth) and it didn't come at great cost, so whatevz.