kliq

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    kliq reacted to Neomaxizoomdweebie in Dylan Larkin Is Soft   
    Why does everyone think we need to get rid of Larkin/Mantha/Bert and bring in a new core? Why can't we have it both ways? Keep the young players we have now while simultaneously bringing in new players?
    No.
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    kliq reacted to krsmith17 in Goal GOAT Poll   
    What? If Zadina turns out to be a 40 goal sniper, not a single Red Wings fan will ever regret not drafting Hughes... I still think Zadina will be the more valuable player over their careers. It's still way too early to determine, but we'll see...
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    kliq reacted to e_prime in ABDELKADER HAS CORONA   
    The Wuhan Klan ain't nuthin' to f*** with.
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    kliq got a reaction from derblaueClaus in Tough Guy The Bob Probert Story   
    I just noticed that its available for purchase on YouTube
     
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    kliq reacted to Scott R Lucidi in Goal GOAT Poll   
    They need to sit closer.
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    kliq reacted to toby91_ca in Goal GOAT Poll   
    I think Gretzky lead the league 5 times, not 4.  At the same time, I've never really thought about him as the best goal scorer because that was not the type of player he was.  He put up huge goal totals just because he was that good....but goal scoring was secondary for him (same for Mario, but to a lesser extent).  So I'm somewhat biased into thinking Bossy and Ovechkin are better goal scorers simply because that's their game.  I mean, Ovechkin has 700ish goals and 570 assists.  When Gretzky had 700 goals, his assist total was 1,400+....so you look at it a bit different.
    To set the record straight a bit on Gretzky's stats though, his goal scoring didn't go down that much at 26....yes, he scored 40 goals that year, but only in 64 games, he scored 54 in 78 games the next year, then 41 in 73 games the following year.  The biggest turning point in his career was when he was 30 and got hit from behind into the boards by Gary Suter (international play).  He was never the same player after that.  His goal scoring (because as I suggested, was secondary) seemed to take the biggest hit.
    All that said, I think Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer, most pure goal scorer.  I would have liked to see what Bossy could have done if his career wasn't cut short.
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    kliq reacted to ChristopherReevesLegs in Goal GOAT Poll   
    On pace for 58 goals now. It is pretty cool that we are witnessing one of the best goal scorers of all time right now.
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    kliq got a reaction from ChristopherReevesLegs in Goal GOAT Poll   
    His consistency is ridiculous, as it stands now (not including tonights games) he's only 2 down from Pastrnak with 45 goals. I could see him getting his 9th win this year.
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    kliq reacted to chaps80 in 2020 Playoffs   
    Philly has always been my #2 team. I've bashed them a lot over the years for their goaltending woes though..how can't you? They haven't had a franchise goalie since Hextall, it's ridiculous. They've gone through way too many goalies to keep track of, whether acquired through trades, waivers, UFAs, or any of their prospects..nothing worked. Was it last season they used 7 different goalies, or the year before? Their worst move was instead of being more patient with Bobrovsky, they decided to go out and sign Bryzgalov to a ridiculous contract and then trade Bob to Columbus a year later. Eventually bought out Bryz. But I guess at the time Bryz was playing well and Bob was his backup so they made the move.
    Hart is doing well though. They didn't force him into the NHL too early and allowed him to develop, learned from past mistakes finally. Hopefully they finally solved their starting goalie problem long term.
    *edit- 32 goalies have played at least one game for Philly since Detroit defeated them for the Cup in 1996-97. Thirty. Two.
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    kliq reacted to ChristopherReevesLegs in Goal GOAT Poll   
    At the end of the day the nitty gritty comparison between eras is all subjective. I don't really care about who had composite sticks, or who had more euros, or which goalies played butterfly, blah blah blah. I care about what the sum of all those factors equals; and that is that 1980 to 1993 was a much higher scoring era than from 2005 to 2020.
    So if Gretsky scores 52 goals in 1986, and Ovie scores 52 goals in 2006, 52 goals in 2006 is more impressive. It's that simple. And you can extrapolate that over the two players careers.
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    kliq got a reaction from chaps80 in 2020 Playoffs   
    Philly and Edmonton. I've always liked Phily as they were my best friends fav team growing up.
    As for Edmonton, I have Draisaitl on my fantasy team, so I've been paying more attention to them. Plus, it doesnt hurt that there are quite a few former Wings on the team.
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    kliq reacted to ChristopherReevesLegs in Goal GOAT Poll   
    All you're doing is dragging everything into the weeds.
    Ovie scores more goals per game than Gretsky, and he does it in a lower scoring league. Everything else is long-winded BS.
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    kliq reacted to krsmith17 in 2020 Playoffs   
    Edmonton.
    That's odd... I hate Toronto, because they were my best friends fav team growing up...
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    kliq got a reaction from Echolalia in Goal GOAT Poll   
    The argument is not "who had the greatest single goal scoring season of all time", if it was no question that Gretzky's 81/82 or 83/84 seasons are at the top, but that is not the question. The question is who is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Now I already said that I pick Lemieux #1 (which now I am second guessing after all the stats I pulled), but your biggest source of contention appears to be me putting Ovie above Gretzky, you want me to explain my logic, here it is:
    Goals Per Game 
    Ovie - 0.612,
    Gretzky - 0.601.
    Ovie in his career scored more goals per game then Gretzky.
    League Averages
    During Gretzky's career the mean for GPG in a season was 3.50.
    During Ovie's career it was/is 2.85.

    Despite Ovie playing in an era where goal scoring was down 0.65 GPG, Ovie still managed to outscore Gretzky per game.
    Leading the league in scoring
    Gretzky led the league in goals 5 times in his career
    Ovie has led the league in goals 8 times and counting.
    Again, I admit Gretzky had a two seasons where he dominated (81/82 & 83/84) those are the two best goal scoring season of all time, but as far as who was the stronger goal scoring threat throughout their career, its not even close. 8 Richard trophies is pretty damn impressive and IMO puts Ovie above Gretzky.
    In Response to your "The fact is, Ovechkin in his best years never dominated his peers in goal scoring like Gretzky did." Comment
    Sure, Ovie never outscored his peers by "25 or 30 goals", but come on thats a silly thing to say in this era and you know it. Its not possible to do that when the best goal scorer in the world is scoring in the 50's. Do you really expect #2 to be in the 20's? More goals being scored opens the league up to these types of numbers. Its similar to what the NFL is seeing now with TD's and Passing Yards. The only thing you can look at is percentages, here they are as I did a deep dive:
    Lets look at each season each respective player won the goal scoring title and how close #2 was:
    81-82 - Gretzky scored 92 - #2 scored 64 --- 44% better then #2
    82-83 - Gretzky scored 71 - #2 scored 66 ---  8% better then #2
    83-84 - Gretzky scored 87 - #2 scored 56 ----55% better then #2
    84-85 - Gretzky scored 73 - #2 scored 71 ---  3% better then #2
    86-87 - Gretzky scored 62 - #2 scored 58 ---- 7% better then #2
    07-08 - Ovie scored 65 - #2 scored 52 --- 25% better then #2
    08-09 - Ovie scored 56 - #2 scored 46 --- 22% better then #2
    12-13 - Ovie scored 32 - #2 scored 29 --- 10% better then #2
    13-14 - Ovie scored 51 - #2 scored 43 --- 19% better then #2
    14-15 - Ovie scored 53 - #2 scored 43 --- 23% better then #2
    15-16 - Ovie scored 50 - #2 scored 46 ---  9% better then #2
    17-18 - Ovie scored 49 - #2 scored 44 --- 11% better then #2
    18-19 - Ovie scored 51 - #2 scored 50 ---  1% better then #2
    Ovie actually outscored his competition in the years he won the rocket by double digits 6 times. Gretzky did it twice. This dominance you speak of only happened twice, by reading your post you would think he did this every year. Again, no doubt that '81-82 & '83-84 are the best single seasons a player has ever had in terms of scoring goals, but Ovie has dominated for a MUCH longer duration the Gretzky winning scoring titles for over 11 years. Gretzky did most of his damage in a much shorter period of time as it was all in 6 seasons. 
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    Gretzky in the early part of his career ONLY played against the best North American players in the world. Ovie throughout his career has played against the very best the entire world has had to offer, not half. Ovie outperformed Gretzky statistically against stronger competition.  
    If you remove every non North American player ever (for conversation sake pretending Ovie was a NA player), I think Ovie does start to score at the level Gretzky did, just like when the rest of the world came into the NHL, Gretzky's dominance diminished.
    Whats even more impressive, Ovie is winning scoring titles in his 30's, Gretzky never won a single title after he was 26.
    Both are great, I'm not trying to tear Gretzky down. We're comparing the best of the best here. But statistically all indicators point towards Ovie being the better goal scorer. Gretzky just had the best single season ever which is appearing to cloud peoples judgement.  
    I will say this though, after reviewing Gretzky's stats so closely, I do switch him and Bure.
    But ya, I'm full of it.
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    kliq reacted to ChristopherReevesLegs in Goal GOAT Poll   
    I think Lemieux and Ovie are 1 & 2 however you wanna rank them.
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    kliq reacted to kipwinger in Goal GOAT Poll   
    Your "devil's advocate" Schick is getting old.  I've seen you rail against "big goalies with big pads" for years.   
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    kliq got a reaction from Echolalia in Goal GOAT Poll   
    The argument is not "who had the greatest single goal scoring season of all time", if it was no question that Gretzky's 81/82 or 83/84 seasons are at the top, but that is not the question. The question is who is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Now I already said that I pick Lemieux #1 (which now I am second guessing after all the stats I pulled), but your biggest source of contention appears to be me putting Ovie above Gretzky, you want me to explain my logic, here it is:
    Goals Per Game 
    Ovie - 0.612,
    Gretzky - 0.601.
    Ovie in his career scored more goals per game then Gretzky.
    League Averages
    During Gretzky's career the mean for GPG in a season was 3.50.
    During Ovie's career it was/is 2.85.

    Despite Ovie playing in an era where goal scoring was down 0.65 GPG, Ovie still managed to outscore Gretzky per game.
    Leading the league in scoring
    Gretzky led the league in goals 5 times in his career
    Ovie has led the league in goals 8 times and counting.
    Again, I admit Gretzky had a two seasons where he dominated (81/82 & 83/84) those are the two best goal scoring season of all time, but as far as who was the stronger goal scoring threat throughout their career, its not even close. 8 Richard trophies is pretty damn impressive and IMO puts Ovie above Gretzky.
    In Response to your "The fact is, Ovechkin in his best years never dominated his peers in goal scoring like Gretzky did." Comment
    Sure, Ovie never outscored his peers by "25 or 30 goals", but come on thats a silly thing to say in this era and you know it. Its not possible to do that when the best goal scorer in the world is scoring in the 50's. Do you really expect #2 to be in the 20's? More goals being scored opens the league up to these types of numbers. Its similar to what the NFL is seeing now with TD's and Passing Yards. The only thing you can look at is percentages, here they are as I did a deep dive:
    Lets look at each season each respective player won the goal scoring title and how close #2 was:
    81-82 - Gretzky scored 92 - #2 scored 64 --- 44% better then #2
    82-83 - Gretzky scored 71 - #2 scored 66 ---  8% better then #2
    83-84 - Gretzky scored 87 - #2 scored 56 ----55% better then #2
    84-85 - Gretzky scored 73 - #2 scored 71 ---  3% better then #2
    86-87 - Gretzky scored 62 - #2 scored 58 ---- 7% better then #2
    07-08 - Ovie scored 65 - #2 scored 52 --- 25% better then #2
    08-09 - Ovie scored 56 - #2 scored 46 --- 22% better then #2
    12-13 - Ovie scored 32 - #2 scored 29 --- 10% better then #2
    13-14 - Ovie scored 51 - #2 scored 43 --- 19% better then #2
    14-15 - Ovie scored 53 - #2 scored 43 --- 23% better then #2
    15-16 - Ovie scored 50 - #2 scored 46 ---  9% better then #2
    17-18 - Ovie scored 49 - #2 scored 44 --- 11% better then #2
    18-19 - Ovie scored 51 - #2 scored 50 ---  1% better then #2
    Ovie actually outscored his competition in the years he won the rocket by double digits 6 times. Gretzky did it twice. This dominance you speak of only happened twice, by reading your post you would think he did this every year. Again, no doubt that '81-82 & '83-84 are the best single seasons a player has ever had in terms of scoring goals, but Ovie has dominated for a MUCH longer duration the Gretzky winning scoring titles for over 11 years. Gretzky did most of his damage in a much shorter period of time as it was all in 6 seasons. 
    Other Factors
    Gretzky in the early part of his career ONLY played against the best North American players in the world. Ovie throughout his career has played against the very best the entire world has had to offer, not half. Ovie outperformed Gretzky statistically against stronger competition.  
    If you remove every non North American player ever (for conversation sake pretending Ovie was a NA player), I think Ovie does start to score at the level Gretzky did, just like when the rest of the world came into the NHL, Gretzky's dominance diminished.
    Whats even more impressive, Ovie is winning scoring titles in his 30's, Gretzky never won a single title after he was 26.
    Both are great, I'm not trying to tear Gretzky down. We're comparing the best of the best here. But statistically all indicators point towards Ovie being the better goal scorer. Gretzky just had the best single season ever which is appearing to cloud peoples judgement.  
    I will say this though, after reviewing Gretzky's stats so closely, I do switch him and Bure.
    But ya, I'm full of it.
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    kliq got a reaction from ChristopherReevesLegs in Ovechkin to 1,000 Goals?   
    LOL I am aware of how to spell his name, I posted from my phone and must have missed that. Typically when people correct spelling on message boards its because they are annoyed, did me putting him 5th bother you?
    Who do you think is dismissing Richard? If you are referring to me (since you quoted me) not putting him top 5 all time does not mean I dismissed him. Also I think the guy gets his due considering the trophy for most goals in a season is literally named after him.
    To be honest, if anything I find that older players get more credit then the newer generation. I think as people age they have a tough time looking at "kids" in the same light as their hero's from childhood, or hero's from their elders childhood that they heard stories about.
    If we are being honest, how many people that speak so highly of players like Richard or Bossy actually watched them play? 
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    kliq reacted to ChristopherReevesLegs in Ovechkin to 1,000 Goals?   
    Pretty hard not to just say Lemieux outright
    Bure is one of my favorite players of all time. Which brings up another point... if Bure had been on better teams how much more dominant would his numbers be? Guys like Bossy had the benefit of playing on that dynasty Isles team, and basically nowhere else.
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    kliq got a reaction from krsmith17 in News From Around the NHL *Mod warning page 75*   
    You do realize that McDavid also got 5 points.
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    kliq got a reaction from krsmith17 in RUMOR: Svechnikov Considering Return To KHL With AK BARS   
    You get traded to a contender? Not sure that is a punishment lol.
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    kliq got a reaction from krsmith17 in RUMOR: Svechnikov Considering Return To KHL With AK BARS   
    You get traded to a contender? Not sure that is a punishment lol.