College Football

[BlakChamber 8]

I think its tough to say the media wants to screw UM. UM is a media darling. Given the national fanbase of UM, they're going to have a lot of fans tuning in to whatever bowl game they're in.

Its not like they're Boise State or something like that.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Well, my brain says, "MICHIGAN BLEW IT, DON'T TRY AND CHEAT THE SYSTEM DUDES" but my heart says, "WAHOOOOOO REMATCH."

So, I'll just wait until the BCS decides tomorrow.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

You might be interested...I live with 7 other OSU students in a 3 story mansion of a college house....we are all football crazy.

Mixed reaction..."F-IN USC! Those bastards dont deserve a rematch!" and "Bring em' on!"

Because it'll be the best season ever if we beat you twice, and it'll really suck to lose to you when we already beat you once. Don't get me wrong, it's been a great season, and I think we would beat you again, but Michigan is a great team...the only one remotely on par with us. I nearly suffered a heart attack the first time and was glad it was over and we came out on top. I dont know how I could possibly handle a rematch for a FREAKIN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

[eva unit zero 271]

I know I am going to get some replys from this, but I think Florida deserves the #2 slot ahead of Michigan. Here is why:

---Michigan didn't really beat anyone. Aside from ND and Wisconsin, who did they beat. Notre Dame blew it in big games (against Michigan, USC) and Wisconsin...has there ever been a more overrated 11-1 team. Florida beat 3 teams in the top 13 and had the highest opponent winning percentage in the NCAA.

Florida had the hardest schedule, this is true.

Michigan's was the third hardest, and included two wins over teams that should finish in the top ten, and a three point loss to the first team to ever post a perfect BCS score.

--Florida won their conference. Michigan is a 2nd place team. Both teams have the same conference record.

If Michigan were in the SEc and Florida in the Big Ten, Michigan would be undefeated and Florida would be second place at best.

--Speaking of conferences. The SEC has 6 teams with 8 wins or more. The Big Ten has 5. The SEC also has 2 teams with 7 wins with Big Ten having none.

Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin are all teams with 11 wins.

Florida is the only SEC team to hit 11 wins.

--Florida is riding a 6 game winning streak. Michigan is on a 1 game losing streak.

Michigan went 11-1, with 9 wins by 14 points or more, including two against top ten teams.

Florida went 11-1 against Division I teams, with only four wins by a 14 point or greater margin.

Florida's one loss was by ten points against Auburn. Michigan's one loss was by three points to OSU.

Here's how the top fifteen fared:

1) OSU, Idle.

2) USC, Lost

3) UM, Idle

4) Florida, Won

5) LSU, Idle

6) Louisville, Won

7) Wisconsin, Idle

8) Boise State, Idle

9) Arkansas, lost

10) Notre Dame, Idle

11) Auburn, Idle

12) Oklahoma, winning 20-7, 1:25 remaining in the 3rd

13) Rutgers, tied 23-23, late 4th

14) Virginia Tech, Idle

15) West Virginia, tied 23-23, late 4th

Based on that, the top ten after this week should look something like:

1) OSU (BCS Title Game)

2) Michigan (BCS Title Game)

3) Florida (Sugar Bowl)

4) Louisville (Sugar Bowl)

5) LSU (Rose Bowl)

6) Wisconsin (Capital One Bowl)

7) USC (Rose Bowl)

8) Boise State (Fiesta Bowl)

9) Notre Dame (Orange Bowl)

10) Oklahoma (Fiesta Bowl)

[betterREDthandead 58]

Florida plays in a much better conference. The SEC is almost always best conference anyway, but the Big 10 is down this year, with the exception of OSU and UM. Wisconsin put up a good record this year, but they didn't have to play OSU. Otherwise, Penn State was down, Iowa was down.

Florida beat more ranked teams than Michigan did.

I'll admit, I'm biased, but I think Florida is the better team. Really though, there's no way anyone can say that one team is better than the other.

I don't think the SEC is the best conference. They've got more good teams (Florida, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn vs. Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin) but their bad teams are absolute pattycakes. The Big Ten's bad teams are better than the SEC's bad teams. And the Big Ten's best are better than the SEC's best.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

I will stick up for the Big Ten until I die, but I gotta give a slight edge to SEC this season. Although they arent nearly as great of a conference as was thought halfway through.

I was looking forward to Eva's response....he always has something good for us.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

I think its tough to say the media wants to screw UM. UM is a media darling. Given the national fanbase of UM, they're going to have a lot of fans tuning in to whatever bowl game they're in.

Its not like they're Boise State or something like that.

Someone is going to get screwed by the BCS - either Florida or Michigan. Someone always gets screwed by the BCS. The SEC has been screwed before, so it's also a case of the voters not wanting to do it to them again - the Big Ten can't really complain since they have a team in regardless.

[betterREDthandead 58]

BCS predictions:

Rose - Michigan vs. USC

Orange - Louisville vs. Wake Forest (pretty much already set)

Sugar - LSU vs. Notre Dame

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Boise State

Title game - Ohio State vs. Florida

Cop-out prediction in case Michigan goes to the title game is Florida-Notre Dame in the Sugar and USC-LSU in the Rose. Really, I can't see how it can shake out any other way, given the setup.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Heres my opinion on this mess. Yes FLA has had a harder schedule, but the WHOLE nation watched us lose to OSU by 3 points on THEIR home field! I think that makes up for the schedule. Cryer Meyer will no doubt talk all week though, and get FLA in the title game in my opinion.

[eva unit zero 271]

Someone is going to get screwed by the BCS - either Florida or Michigan. Someone always gets screwed by the BCS. The SEC has been screwed before, so it's also a case of the voters not wanting to do it to them again - the Big Ten can't really complain since they have a team in regardless.

Florida won't get screwed by the BCS if they are not in.

At no point this season has Florida been number two. Michigan has been ahead of Florida in two polls after their season ended.

People want to talk about Michigan's cake schedule.

Guess what? Yes, Florida may have played the hardest schedule and only lost once.

But Michigan played the third hardest schedule, and only lost--by three, on the road--to the best team in the country.

Florida, Arkansas, LSU, and Auburn are all pretty much equal. The games between all those teams were close fought games that could have gone either way. Would you even consider one of the other teams?

Had Arkansas beaten Florida, would Arkansas be in the discussion?

Florida and Michigan have comparable offensive and defensive numbers. But without Florida's 62-0 win over Div I-AA West Carolina, those numbers aren't nearly as close.

The big thing here is:

On a neutral field, Michigan v Florida, who wins?

Let's compare their games from this season:

Michigan's games, ranked by record, and comparable Florida win.

L OSU 42-39 (L Auburn 27-17)

Edge: Michigan

d Wisconsin 27-13 (d LSU 23-10)

Edge: Even

d Notre Dame 47-21 (d Arkansas 38-28)

Edge: Michigan

d Central Michigan 41-17 (d Tennessee 21-20)

Edge: Even

d Penn State 17-10 (d Georgia 21-14)

Edge: Even

d Minnesota 28-14 (d Alabama 28-13)

Edge: Even

d Iowa 20-6 (d South Carolina 17-16)

Edge: Michigan

d Indiana 34-3 (d Kentucky 26-7)

Edge: Even

d Ball State 34-26 (d UCF 42-0)

Edge: Florida

d Michigan State 31-13 (d Southern Miss 34-7)

Edge: Michigan

d Northwestern 17-3 (d Florida State 21-14)

Edge: Even

d Vanderbilt 27-7 (d Vanderbilt 25-19)

Edge: Michigan

Overall, Michigan has the edge 5 times to Florida's once.

Michigan should be in the title game.

[timothy1997 0]

I don't think the SEC is the best conference. They've got more good teams (Florida, Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn vs. Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin) but their bad teams are absolute pattycakes. The Big Ten's bad teams are better than the SEC's bad teams. And the Big Ten's best are better than the SEC's best.

I take it you are comparing big ten's worst (Northwestern, Michigan State and Illinois) compared to (Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi State). I will agree with you that the big ten's worst are better than the sec's worst. But one problem....Michigan played Northwestern and Michigan State while Florida only played Vanderbilt of those six teams....oh and Michigan played Vanderbilt too.

[timothy1997 0]

Let's compare their games from this season:

Michigan's games, ranked by record, and comparable Florida win.

L OSU 42-39 (L Auburn 27-17)

Edge: Michigan

d Wisconsin 27-13 (d LSU 23-10)

Edge: Even

d Notre Dame 47-21 (d Arkansas 38-28)

Edge: Michigan

d Central Michigan 41-17 (d Tennessee 21-20)

Edge: Even

d Penn State 17-10 (d Georgia 21-14)

Edge: Even

d Minnesota 28-14 (d Alabama 28-13)

Edge: Even

d Iowa 20-6 (d South Carolina 17-16)

Edge: Michigan

d Indiana 34-3 (d Kentucky 26-7)

Edge: Even

d Ball State 34-26 (d UCF 42-0)

Edge: Florida

d Michigan State 31-13 (d Southern Miss 34-7)

Edge: Michigan

d Northwestern 17-3 (d Florida State 21-14)

Edge: Even

d Vanderbilt 27-7 (d Vanderbilt 25-19)

Edge: Michigan

Overall, Michigan has the edge 5 times to Florida's once.

Michigan should be in the title game.

While I look forward to reading your posts, are you sure you aren't just fixing the numbers for Michigans favor. My comparison would be this.

Losses: Ohio State....Auburn

Edge: Michigan x2 (Michigan's loss to OSU is worth double in this comparison)

Wins starting with the biggest win

Notre Dame.....Arkansas (Michigan road win, florida neutral field)

Edge: Michigan (Wolverines opened everyone's eyes after going to South Bend and wooping the Irish)

Conference games:

Wisconsin....LSU (both home games)

Edge: Florida (Wisconsin didn't play anyone this year)

Penn State....Tennessee (both biggests conference road wins)

Edge: Florida ( Tennessee went 9-3 compared to PSU's 8-4)

Minnesota....Georgia (michigan road win, florida neutral field)

Edge: Florida (Georgia went 8-4)

Indiana...Kentucky (Michigan road win, florida home)

Edge: Florida (Kentucky is bowl bound)

Iowa...South Carolina (both home wins)

Edge: Florida (Iowa had a down year)

Northwestern....Alabama (both home wins)

Edge: Florida (Bama is allways a tough team to beat)

Instate rival games:

Michigan State.....Florida State (Michigan home win, Florida road win)

Edge: Florida (MSU is no FSU)

Non-Conference games:

Central Michigan...Southern Miss (both home games)

Edge: Michigan (CMU won their conference)

Ball State...UCF (both home wins)

Edge: Florida (Florida shutout UCF while Michigan barely beat Ball State)

and finally...both teams played Vanderbilt (Michigan home win, Florida road win)

Edge: Michigan (Michigan dominated in their first game while Florida only beat vandy by 6)

And tallying up the score......

Florida beats Michigan 8-5

Edited December 3, 2006 by timothy1997

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I remember seeing Gary Danielson's breakdown during last nights game and couldnt agree more. While he is obviously a schill for the SEC now, you cant even argue with his points he made during the schedule breakdown.

These are the cold hard facts, and its as simple as this:

Both teams have 1 loss, Florida faced the tougher schedule - EDGE FLORIDA

Florida won the toughest conference, Michigan came in 2nd - EDGE FLORIDA

Michigan already lost to OSU, Florida hasnt had their oppurtunity - EDGE FLORIDA

Thats what it all boils down to and is cut and dry imo. The only scenario that has NO controversy to it is Florida playing Ohio St. Really, how the hell can Michigan have any right to ***** whatsoever when they already LOST to Ohio St???? Get the job done on the field next time!

[Lou_Siffer 1]

As for who has the overall tougher conference, lets look at the breakdown: (arranged by conference records)

1) Florida vs Ohio St- ill just go with the consensus X BIG 10, although imo i think Fla is right with them

2) Arkansas vs Michigan - i think thats a good game but with Dick at QB ill go X BIG 10

Now heres where it totally sways to the SEC

3) LSU vs Wisconsin - i think LSU would cream Wisconsin personally... X SEC

4) Auburn vs Penn St - X SEC, Penn St did nothing at all this year

5) Tennessee vs Purdue - no debate, clear XX SEC (2 x's cause Tennessee is much better)

6) Georgia vs Minnesota - X SEC

7) Kentucky vs Indiana- no doubt X SEC

8) S.C. vs Iowa - X SEC

9) Alabama vs Northwestern - X SEC

10) Mississippi vs MSU - ill go X BIG 10

11) Vandy vs Illinois - X SEC

12) Mississippi ST vs nobody - ill give the charity X to the Big 10

So tallying that up...thats 9- 4 in favor of the SEC. I invite anyone who thinks the Big 10 is on the same level to do the same thing i just did.

If Michigan were in the SEc and Florida in the Big Ten, Michigan would be undefeated and Florida would be second place at best.

Undefeated? Well that all depends on the scheduling.... i could easily see a few road losses occuring if they had to say, play at LSU. Thats a loss imo. Same thing with Fla, if they played Ohio St in the swamp id bet on FLA....if it was in the Shoe id pick OSU. So to automatically say they'd be second at best isnt true...cause theres certainly noone else in the Big 10 that would beat them.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

First of all, everyone in here is biased one way or another. The majority in here are die-hard UM fans and are going to give Michigan the *edge* on all the above comparisons, and rightfully so, since we are fans. Funny how the *edge* givers to Florida are Spartan fans. That makes you biased as well. And our adopted Buckeye fan, well he can't reasonably considered neutral either. Therefore we have no neutral opinions on any of this. Just to clarify.

After a night to sleep on this, I think Florida will most definitely get the nod. Funny the Denver paper's poll yesterday had if USC should lose, 51% voting for UM, and 34% voting for the Fla-Ark winner (rest other). Funny how today they are saying Fla should definitely go. Just goes to show you how fickle this f*&ed up system is.

Two thoughts:

1. UM should gracefully accept playing in the Rose Bowl and knock the pants off of USC. IF OSU should lose (which I doubt), UM would have a share of the title (remember this has happened recently to both USC and LSU). I always root for the Big Ten (unlike our friendly Spartans) so I have to cheer for OSU anyways; a dilemna.

2. The Big Ten needs to address its season ending earlier than the rest of the country. The SEC, PAC-10, Big East, Big 12 were all still playing yesterday. It's easier to vote for the teams you see last - human nature. I don't really like the idea of a conf championship, it would have been a rematch right there UM-OSU, and I know it's cold and snowy up North, but I think it's detrimental to the Big Ten not to have a later season/conf title game.

Edited December 3, 2006 by RockyMountainWingGal

[Lou_Siffer 1]

First of all, everyone in here is biased one way or another. The majority in here are die-hard UM fans and are going to give Michigan the *edge* on all the above comparisons, and rightfully so, since we are fans. Funny how the *edge* givers to Florida are Spartan fans. That makes you biased as well. And our adopted Buckeye fan, well he can't reasonably considered neutral either. Therefore we have no neutral opinions on any of this. Just to clarify.

I know it may not sound like it given my posts, but myself i actually am neutral. I am neither die hard Michigan nor die hard Michigan St. Hell i have multiple shirts of both schools in my closet! When they play each other, im indifferent to the outcome. May the better team win! So by me saying i dont feel Michigan should be #2 has nothing whatsoever to do with Michigan St. I believe im looking at this completely unbiased. I look at the facts, see that Michigan already had their chance, and that the SEC is clearly the tougher conference. So that makes Florida more deserving.

2. The Big Ten needs to address its season ending earlier than the rest of the country. The SEC, PAC-10, Big East, Big 12 were all still playing yesterday. It's easier to vote for the teams you see last - human nature. I don't really like the idea of a conf championship, it would have been a rematch right there UM-OSU, and I know it's cold and snowy up North, but I think it's detrimental to the Big Ten not to have a later season/conf title game.

I believe i mentioned this earlier in the thread, but if the Big 10 were split in 2 divisions so they could have a title game, Michigan and Ohio St would be in the same division. They would not have an oppurtunity to play each other in the title game. This year you wouldve seen something like Ohio St vs Wisconsin.

Edited December 3, 2006 by Lou_Siffer

[BlakChamber 8]

1. UM should gracefully accept playing in the Rose Bowl and knock the pants off of USC. IF OSU should lose (which I doubt), UM would have a share of the title (remember this has happened recently to both USC and LSU). I always root for the Big Ten (unlike our friendly Spartans) so I have to cheer for OSU anyways; a dilemna.

That's not very fair. I always cheer for Big 10 teams in Bowl games. Except for Michigan

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Sorry for being a post ***** this morning lol, but i cant believe i missed these gems from my buddy eva!!!

d Central Michigan 41-17 (d Tennessee 21-20)

Edge: Even

d Northwestern 17-3 (d Florida State 21-14)

Edge: Even

Sorry but you just lost all credibility with me here. That Central/Tennessee one being even is the most RIDICULOUS thing ive ever seen! Florida St was down this year, but considering a win over Northwestern to be on the same level as a win at FSU? Completely assinine! And you guys look forward to these posts?

Edited December 3, 2006 by Lou_Siffer

[timothy1997 0]

I believe i mentioned this earlier in the thread, but if the Big 10 were split in 2 divisions so they could have a title game, Michigan and Ohio St would be in the same division. They would not have an oppurtunity to play each other in the title game. This year you wouldve seen something like Ohio St vs Wisconsin.

Yup. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa and Purdue would be in one divison leaving Indiana, MSU, Michigan, OSU, PSU and the 6th team (West Va, Sryacuse, Pitt) in the other divison.

Sorry for being a post ***** this morning lol, but i cant believe i missed these gems from my buddy eva!!!

Sorry but you just lost all credibility with me here. That Central/Tennessee one being even is the most RIDICULOUS thing ive ever seen! Florida St was down this year, but considering a win over Northwestern to be on the same level as a win at FSU? Completely assinine! And you guys look forward to these posts?

Its ok Lou. I looked at Eva's post and I immediately wanted to reply on the CMU vs Tennessee matchup but decided to fix the comparison that Eva obviously fixed in Michigan's favor.

To compare how big the Florida-Florida State game is to the Michigan-Northwestern game is a joke. The USC-UCLA game is proof right there that when its a rival game, all bets are off.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Yup. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa and Purdue would be in one divison leaving Indiana, MSU, Michigan, OSU, PSU and the 6th team (West Va, Sryacuse, Pitt) in the other divison.

Agreed for the most part. Only thing i think would be different is Indiana and Purdue being in the same, although its a pathetic "rivalry" they are from the same state.

Oh and by the way, I totally agree with your assessment of the schedules and your edges. I think Arkansas would probably run all over Notre Dame if they played, but i dont have a problem with giving the edge to Michigan's win being that it was on the road.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Sorry for being a post ***** this morning lol, but i cant believe i missed these gems from my buddy eva!!!

Sorry but you just lost all credibility with me here. That Central/Tennessee one being even is the most RIDICULOUS thing ive ever seen! Florida St was down this year, but considering a win over Northwestern to be on the same level as a win at FSU? Completely assinine! And you guys look forward to these posts?

Yeah, I always get a laugh. Eva should be a politician for sure with the way he spins things.

[BlakChamber 8]

The facts, at least according to an ESPN article

1. Florida beat nine teams that are projected to play in bowl games. Michigan beat six.

2. Michigan beat five teams that finished the season with losing records. Florida beat two teams with sub-.500 records.

3. Florida's 12 Division I-A opponents had a combined record of 89-57. Michigan's 12 opponents had a combined record of 84-61.

4. Michigan's best win is considered a 27-13 victory over Wisconsin on Sept. 23. The Badgers are 11-1 and have climbed to No. 7 in the AP Top 25 poll, despite having played only one ranked opponent -- the Wolverines -- the entire season.

5. The 12 teams Florida defeated finished the season with 11 combined wins against opponents which were ranked in the AP Top 25 poll at the time the game was played. The opponents Michigan defeated claim just three wins against ranked teams (Notre Dame beat Penn State. Indiana beat Iowa. Vanderbilt beat Georgia. The Nittany Lions, Hawkeyes and Bulldogs, it should be noted, haven't been ranked in seven weeks).

6. The Gators went 3-1 against ranked opponents, beating then-No. 13 Tennessee, No. 9 LSU and No. 8 Arkansas and losing at No. 11 Auburn. The Wolverines went 1-1 against ranked opponents, beating a highly overrated No. 2 Notre Dame team (that lost to Michigan and USC by a combined total of 46 points) and losing at No. 1 Ohio State 42-39 on Nov. 18.

7. The Gators' average margin of victory against Division I-A teams was 13.5 points. They won seven games by 14 points or fewer, six by less than 10. The Wolverines' average margin of victory was 17.3 points. They won six games by 14 points or fewer, two by less than 10.

8. The Gators played Western Carolina, a Division I-AA team, and won by 62 points. The Wolverines played Ball State, which should be a I-AA team, and won by eight.

9. Since the Wolverines last played and lost at Ohio State, the Gators won at Florida State (The Seminoles are 6-6, but rivalry games are tough to win. Just ask USC coach Pete Carroll) and then beat the No. 8 Razorbacks, who defeated then-No. 2 Auburn and No. 13 Tennessee by 17 points each.

10. Michigan didn't win the Big Ten; Florida won the SEC. Winning your conference should be a prerequisite for playing in the national championship.

[wingsin4 0]

The facts, at least according to an ESPN article

1. Florida beat nine teams that are projected to play in bowl games. Michigan beat six.

2. Michigan beat five teams that finished the season with losing records. Florida beat two teams with sub-.500 records.

3. Florida's 12 Division I-A opponents had a combined record of 89-57. Michigan's 12 opponents had a combined record of 84-61.

4. Michigan's best win is considered a 27-13 victory over Wisconsin on Sept. 23. The Badgers are 11-1 and have climbed to No. 7 in the AP Top 25 poll, despite having played only one ranked opponent -- the Wolverines -- the entire season.

5. The 12 teams Florida defeated finished the season with 11 combined wins against opponents which were ranked in the AP Top 25 poll at the time the game was played. The opponents Michigan defeated claim just three wins against ranked teams (Notre Dame beat Penn State. Indiana beat Iowa. Vanderbilt beat Georgia. The Nittany Lions, Hawkeyes and Bulldogs, it should be noted, haven't been ranked in seven weeks).

6. The Gators went 3-1 against ranked opponents, beating then-No. 13 Tennessee, No. 9 LSU and No. 8 Arkansas and losing at No. 11 Auburn. The Wolverines went 1-1 against ranked opponents, beating a highly overrated No. 2 Notre Dame team (that lost to Michigan and USC by a combined total of 46 points) and losing at No. 1 Ohio State 42-39 on Nov. 18.

7. The Gators' average margin of victory against Division I-A teams was 13.5 points. They won seven games by 14 points or fewer, six by less than 10. The Wolverines' average margin of victory was 17.3 points. They won six games by 14 points or fewer, two by less than 10.

8. The Gators played Western Carolina, a Division I-AA team, and won by 62 points. The Wolverines played Ball State, which should be a I-AA team, and won by eight.

9. Since the Wolverines last played and lost at Ohio State, the Gators won at Florida State (The Seminoles are 6-6, but rivalry games are tough to win. Just ask USC coach Pete Carroll) and then beat the No. 8 Razorbacks, who defeated then-No. 2 Auburn and No. 13 Tennessee by 17 points each.

10. Michigan didn't win the Big Ten; Florida won the SEC. Winning your conference should be a prerequisite for playing in the national championship.

You just ended all arguments IMO.

Thats it right there: Florida vs. Ohio St.

[hockeyfanatic 0]

You just ended all arguments IMO.

Thats it right there: Florida vs. Ohio St.

I have some issues with a few of the things in that article, but they did a good job of trying to make it seem clear cut. It doesn't matter, though, because there is no point in debating this. We will know who is going to the BCS by the end of the day

Though, I'd wager it will be Florida. We will have the chance to play USC in the Rose Bowl, which isn't a bad consolation prize. Would rather play USC instead of LSU anyway.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

The facts, at least according to an ESPN article

6. The Gators went 3-1 against ranked opponents, beating then-No. 13 Tennessee, No. 9 LSU and No. 8 Arkansas and losing at No. 11 Auburn. The Wolverines went 1-1 against ranked opponents, beating a highly overrated No. 2 Notre Dame team (that lost to Michigan and USC by a combined total of 46 points) and losing at No. 1 Ohio State 42-39 on Nov. 18.

10. Michigan didn't win the Big Ten; Florida won the SEC. Winning your conference should be a prerequisite for playing in the national championship.

U-M beat Wisky too. Also who gives a crap about the conference championship? It's not a factor in the BCS rankings. Everyone who uses the "no conference championship" argument is just wasting their time.

I like this article

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=614914