Hossa to be re-signed after postseason

[wingsdiehard13 33]

But is he worth 7 mill in cap space?

Considering all the potential pieces we would need to shed to make room

I dont think so.

Marian Hossa will not, I repeat, will NOT have a cap hit over $7 million.

[NHLrules? 32]

Marian Hossa will not, I repeat, will NOT have a cap hit over $7 million.

Even if its 4.5, is he worth the amount of guys we have to ditch to make room?

I dont think so.

Remember this team has a ton of talent ready to come up and we will need to sign some of them within the next few years.

[C-TownWing 0]

Hulder and sammy can be easily be replace by Helm and Leino. There's no one on the farm that's going to replace Hossa.

Great points throughout this post...Hudler and Sammy aren't exactly selling themselves at the moment, are they?

[wingsdiehard13 33]

Even if its 4.5, is he worth the amount of guys we have to ditch to make room?

I dont think so.

Remember this team has a ton of talent ready to come up and we will need to sign some of them within the next few years.

I am still up in the air whether I think it's worth it or not. Because you've gotta remember, if Hudler signs an offer sheet we will get at least a 1st and a 3rd.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Yeah, the Players Union has a clause that can push the cap up 5%.

Up 5% from the projected revenues (cap) of the upcoming season....and given that without the 5% boost, the cap would be down between $2-3 million, it means that the NHLPA could boost the cap basically back into the area where it is now....maybe up a few hundred thousand.

But is it really a good idea to boost it now when the bigger drop is coming next season?

[wingsdiehard13 33]

Up 5% from the projected revenues (cap) of the upcoming season....and given that without the 5% boost, the cap would be down between $2-3 million, it means that the NHLPA could boost the cap basically back into the area where it is now....maybe up a few hundred thousand.

But is it really a good idea to boost it now when the bigger drop is coming next season?

Yeah, it would virtually be a wash.

[Factorial 0]

I will never understand why penguin fans have such a feeling of entitlement to hossa. It is laughable. He was a rental player.

You exactly don' t obtains it. We hated it for speaking it they signed Detroit above Pittsburgh because they more best - what slap!

[Icesurfer 75]

If Lidstrom and Draper retire their salaries STILL count against the cap because the contracts were signed over the age of 35. If they retire it would be a disaster for the cap. They would be better off being on INJURED RESERVE..... especially if Lidstrom will have elbow surgery. There is very little flexibility in terms of contracts on the team..... signing Hossa even for a 5.3 mil cap hit would definitely alter the makeup of the team and we would lose a lot of the depth. It is not going to happen.

[Echolalia 2,961]

I've always secretly hoped that Hossa would sign a piss poor contract until Lids' contract is up, then the Wings reimburse him w/ the longterm.

I can always dream, can't I?

[Hockeytown_Ryan 122]

just a scenario Trade Flip and free up space Sign Hossa and Hudler? + whatever the return for flip would be...

Would you trade Flip for a 2nd rounder (hypothetically) Hudler and Hossa??????

with the space we could get back from his hit we could get both? no? yes?

[wingsdiehard13 33]

just a scenario Trade Flip and free up space Sign Hossa and Hudler? + whatever the return for flip would be...

Would you trade Flip for a 2nd rounder (hypothetically) Hudler and Hossa??????

with the space we could get back from his hit we could get both? no? yes?

Keep Filppula, sign Hossa, and let Hudler sign an offer sheet.

Flip+Hossa+1st*+3rd*>Hossa+Hudler+2nd, IMO.

*Picks from the offer sheet Hudler would sign in this scenario.

[Winged_Wheeler 3]

just a scenario Trade Flip and free up space Sign Hossa and Hudler? + whatever the return for flip would be...

Would you trade Flip for a 2nd rounder (hypothetically) Hudler and Hossa??????

with the space we could get back from his hit we could get both? no? yes?

No, Filppula is going to be a super star someday.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Filppula is not going anywhere. Hossa is not going to be re-signed. Unless Hossa signs a cap hit of around 3-3.5 there is no way he will be re-signed by Holland. With Hossa gone it's going to set us up nicely for the furture with cap room, with him here we are going to be F'd come the year after next.

The people saying Filppula should be traded while letting go of Hudler and Sammy to free up space for Hossa...I am sooo glad you are not running this team, we'd turn out like the Lightning.

Now I wouldn't mind letting Hudler go as an RFA to get some solid picks and Sammy can walk. That'll free some space up to hopefully add some more speed and grit (NOT FIGHTING OR TOUGHNESS) to the lower lines.

[dallas27 7]

$4.7 million ~ 10 years if the Wings win the cup.

http://tinyurl.com/rbo5lk

Hank - Dats - Homer

Franzen - Flip - Hossa

Clears - Helm - Leino

Abs - Drapes - Kopecky

Lids - Ralf

Big Rig - Stuart

Kronner - Lebda

?

Osgood

Howard

Funny how months upon months ago I said it's time to bring up the Grap boys and every single person said they weren't ready...huh

*edit* My bad, thought Homer was a free agent after this year. I'm too lazy to rework numbers

Edited June 4, 2009 by dallas27

[eva unit zero 271]

Hossa signs for a cap hit of about $6m.

Hudler signs for a cap hit of about $1.8m.

Leino signs for a cap hit of about $1m.

Kopecky signs for a cap hit of about $575k.

Samuelsson signs a contract elsewhere with a team that needs a scoring winger in their top six. Look for $2.5m-$3m

Conklin signs a contract elsewhere with a team looking for a solid, cheap starter. Look for $2m-$2.5m

Chelios retires or signs a contract elsewhere. Look for ~$750k if he keeps playing.

After that, the Wings have to get under the cap. The best way is trading Brad Stuart and Daniel Cleary for prospects/picks; this requires both players waiving no-trade clauses.

If Cleary doesn't, then Filppula replaces him as a forward being traded. Flip is a good forward with good potential, but he'll never be a Z/Dats/Hossa and he is far from a necessity on this team. Another option is replacing Lebda with a minimum-wage defenseman and trading Holmstrom instead of Cleary or Filppula. This, however, leaves almost no cap space if next year's cap is the same as this year's.

If Stuart doesn't, it poses more of a problem. The Wings have to face possibly trading Kronwall, who even then has a salary $750k below Stuart, and then likely replacing Lilja with a minimum-wager.

Another place cap space could be saved is if the Wings sign a backup at minimum wage and trade Howard, which would save about $200k. Or if Hossa signs for below (well below?) what I have projected for him.

Personally, my hope is that Cleary and Stuart are both accepting of a trade, as this is the best possible outcome given the current roster and what Hossa is "expected" to sign for.

Lineup:

Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Franzen/Hudler/Hossa

Leino/Filppula/Kopecky

Helm/Draper/Maltby

Meech

Lidstrom/Rafalski

Kronwall/Ericsson

Lebda/Lilja

Meech

Osgood

Howard

Notes about lineup: each of the top three forward lines has a playmaker, a shooter, and a physical element who can create havoc in front of the net. The fourth line has speed and grit, and is good defensively and possesses strong forecheckers.

http://tinyurl.com/qbwgcb

Edited June 4, 2009 by eva unit zero

[dlawings 0]

Keep Cleary, he seems to be everywhere!!

[RainingBlood 8]

http://tinyurl.com/rb856j

I got this with no Draper, Sammy, Lilja, maltby, adding Kindl, Ritola, resigning Hudler to a 2 million dollar contract, and resigning Hossa to a 5 million dollar contract it still leaves -2,718,135 under the cap

[Datsyerberger 279]

http://tinyurl.com/rb856j

I got this with no Draper, Sammy, Lilja, maltby, adding Kindl, Ritola, resigning Hudler to a 2 million dollar contract, and resigning Hossa to a 5 million dollar contract it still leaves -2,718,135 under the cap

Do you really see the Wings org trading Draper or Maltby? That's the only way to get them off our books.

[TheOwl 77]

After this playoff performance, why would the Wings even keep him? In all seriousness, he hasn't played very well at all in any series. It's not like he's getting shut down by the other teams best players anyways. He's simply not playing well. When he makes a fancy move, he over-plays the puck and gets out of a scoring position. When he shoots the puck it goes wide or is from an impossible distance. He's not Ovechkin after all, yet he's making Ovechkin money.

Flipulla and Cleary have played extremely well, yet a lot of you would freely just trade one of them to keep Hossa. Sure, who wouldn't sign Hossa over either one straight up. But the point is signing Hossa for anything more then what Franzen is making, is a horrible long term decision.

If the Wings win the cup, Hossa will have been nothing more then a 7.45 million dollar passenger. The reason Hossa is here is to score goals and make up for the fact people like Datysuk and Zetterberg are put in checking roles. Last time I checked, Zetterberg is out-scoring Hossa, and shutting down Crosby. What's Hossa doing? Chucking. He's like an over-paid Sammy.

Keep Hudler, Flipulla, Leino and let Hossa walk. Give his salary to people who perform in key situations. These are the facts. Hossa is playing extremely badly for someone making 7.45 million a season. And for all you people who say, "Well, Detroit is deep enough, Hossa doesn't to score." True that. Then why do we need Hossa at all?

Hossa's job is to score goals. That's what he does, that's what he's paid the highest on this team to do. And it's pretty sad people like Cleary and Sammy are blowing him out of the water with timely offense.

I laugh at all you kids who wanted to let Franzen walk and re-sign Hossa a few months ago.

Edited June 4, 2009 by TheOwl

[RedWingsFan13 0]

After that, the Wings have to get under the cap. The best way is trading Brad Stuart and Daniel Cleary for prospects/picks; this requires both players waiving no-trade clauses.

http://tinyurl.com/qbwgcb

Ummmmm, thanks for the offer but i'll have to pass.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Great points throughout this post...Hudler and Sammy aren't exactly selling themselves at the moment, are they?

I'd say Sammy has sold himself this POs - for a guy making 1.2mill and putting up 5G 4A 9P, two of those GWG and +7.

I'm not for or against re-signing him. Just pointing out that for his salary he does contribute (just please keep him off the PP Babs)....

[Jake Ryan 1]

After this playoff performance, why would the Wings even keep him? In all seriousness, he hasn't played very well at all in any series. It's not like he's getting shut down by the other teams best players anyways. He's simply not playing well. When he makes a fancy move, he over-plays the puck and gets out of a scoring position. When he shoots the puck it goes wide or is from an impossible distance. He's not Ovechkin after all, yet he's making Ovechkin money.

Flipulla and Cleary have played extremely well, yet a lot of you would freely just trade one of them to keep Hossa. Sure, who wouldn't sign Hossa over either one straight up. But the point is signing Hossa for anything more then what Franzen is making, is a horrible long term decision.

If the Wings win the cup, Hossa will have been nothing more then a 7.45 million dollar passenger. The reason Hossa is here is to score goals and make up for the fact people like Datysuk and Zetterberg are put in checking roles. Last time I checked, Zetterberg is out-scoring Hossa, and shutting down Crosby. What's Hossa doing? Chucking. He's like an over-paid Sammy.

Keep Hudler, Flipulla, Leino and let Hossa walk. Give his salary to people who perform in key situations. These are the facts. Hossa is playing extremely badly for someone making 7.45 million a season. And for all you people who say, "Well, Detroit is deep enough, Hossa doesn't to score." True that. Then why do we need Hossa at all?

Hossa's job is to score goals. That's what he does, that's what he's paid the highest on this team to do. And it's pretty sad people like Cleary and Sammy are blowing him out of the water with timely offense.

I laugh at all you kids who wanted to let Franzen walk and re-sign Hossa a few months ago.

I laugh at you if you think Hossa isn't playing well. This guy has been GREAT. You obviously aren't content with 3-1 Red Wings hockey. Zetterberg and Hossa have been stellar on the back check. And with Pavel out, that's been key to our success. Watch what happens tomorrow, chump!

[Jake Ryan 1]

Hossa signs for a cap hit of about $6m.

Hudler signs for a cap hit of about $1.8m.

Leino signs for a cap hit of about $1m.

Kopecky signs for a cap hit of about $575k.

Samuelsson signs a contract elsewhere with a team that needs a scoring winger in their top six. Look for $2.5m-$3m

Conklin signs a contract elsewhere with a team looking for a solid, cheap starter. Look for $2m-$2.5m

Chelios retires or signs a contract elsewhere. Look for ~$750k if he keeps playing.

After that, the Wings have to get under the cap. The best way is trading Brad Stuart and Daniel Cleary for prospects/picks; this requires both players waiving no-trade clauses.

If Cleary doesn't, then Filppula replaces him as a forward being traded. Flip is a good forward with good potential, but he'll never be a Z/Dats/Hossa and he is far from a necessity on this team. Another option is replacing Lebda with a minimum-wage defenseman and trading Holmstrom instead of Cleary or Filppula. This, however, leaves almost no cap space if next year's cap is the same as this year's.

If Stuart doesn't, it poses more of a problem. The Wings have to face possibly trading Kronwall, who even then has a salary $750k below Stuart, and then likely replacing Lilja with a minimum-wager.

Another place cap space could be saved is if the Wings sign a backup at minimum wage and trade Howard, which would save about $200k. Or if Hossa signs for below (well below?) what I have projected for him.

Personally, my hope is that Cleary and Stuart are both accepting of a trade, as this is the best possible outcome given the current roster and what Hossa is "expected" to sign for.

Lineup:

Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Franzen/Hudler/Hossa

Leino/Filppula/Kopecky

Helm/Draper/Maltby

Meech

Lidstrom/Rafalski

Kronwall/Ericsson

Lebda/Lilja

Meech

Osgood

Howard

Notes about lineup: each of the top three forward lines has a playmaker, a shooter, and a physical element who can create havoc in front of the net. The fourth line has speed and grit, and is good defensively and possesses strong forecheckers.

http://tinyurl.com/qbwgcb

If this doesn't SHOUT OUT "I HAVE A HOLMSTROM HARD-ON" at 1,000,000 decibels, then I don't know what does. Let's get this straight. We're about to let go of Dan Cleary (http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466149), who currently is ranked #1 in the playoffs for plus/minus, has 14 points in 19 games, and has a cap hit of 2.8 million. And instead of asking Tomas Holmstrom (http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8460743), who currently sits at a 0 for plus/minus and has 7 points in 19 games, to retire or be traded, we're going to bump him up to the top line and pay him 2.25 million. That's what you're suggesting we do. Keep the 36 year old guy who only serves one purpose and ship out the 30 year old guy who has 4 game winning goals this playoffs, including game 7 against Anaheim, and is second only to the Mule in his level of clutch-ness? That, my friend, is just plain stupid. I really hope we don't get rid of Cleary and keep Holmstrom just for a 500K cap savings.

I do agree with you that it will be impossible to keep one of our top 4 defensemen if Hossa resigns at 6 million. I hate to think that we might all be failing to see the warning signs of the saddest day for the Red Wings since Yzerman retired = Lidstrom's retirement?

[Rikadyn 16]

We don't need Hossa, and at any of the ideas being tossed about here to keep him, it ruins our depth and/or our defense.

[pockets 9]

anyone think its possible Hossa re-ups for 1 year and then when Lids contract comes off the books we give him a longer extension? obviously holland has a plan he wouldnt gut a roster, that won the cup without Hossa, to keep him