Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Players with NTC (Stuart, mainly) are the best option to trade without trading a young player with many good years ahead of him. The biggest problem with an NTC is making it the RIGHT trade so that the player actually waives the NTC. But here's an interesting thought. Offer Stuart to Edmonton for Jean-Francois Jacques and one of Taylor Chorney, Ladislav Smid, or even a 2nd rounder (a 1st rounder if they are willing). Stuart is from halfway between Edmonton and Calgary, so he might be perfectly willing to go for that deal. Stuart's salary is the biggest block between the Wings and retaining Hossa, and Stuart was our worst defenseman in the playoffs, especially in the finals. False. He was the worst defenceman in Game 7, he was our best defenceman against Anaheim playing 25+ minutes a night. I'd rather not deal him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Here's my plan: Trade Hossa's rights, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Mike Babcock for Heatley, Martin Gerber, Ottawa's Lion Mascot, and a half-eaten bagel. That will clear up cap room to sign Neil for 22 years at a Cap Hit of 26.7 million a year. This may seem high, but remember, Neil fights, and as anyone on LGW will tell you: fighting=Stanley Cup. Then, trade the bagel and the rights to Hossa (which we stole back) for Alex Ovechkin. To finish off the roster, sign Ohlund and Sundin to one year contracts. They're both old, so obviously that means they'll be the next Dallas Drake. Let Hudler walk for the next seven #1 picks and trade Filpulla and Holmstrom (just because it's obvious we HAVE to). Here's our lines next year: Heatley-Franzen-Leino Ovechkin-Ovechkin-Ovechkin Helm-Abdelkader-Neil Sundin-Draper-Ottawa's Lion Ohlund-Ericsson Kronwall-Stuart RedFX-Lebda Howard Small piece of furniture There's ABSOLUTELY no way this can go wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Edited June 29, 2009 by RedFX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Players with NTC (Stuart, mainly) are the best option to trade without trading a young player with many good years ahead of him. The biggest problem with an NTC is making it the RIGHT trade so that the player actually waives the NTC. But here's an interesting thought. Offer Stuart to Edmonton for Jean-Francois Jacques and one of Taylor Chorney, Ladislav Smid, or even a 2nd rounder (a 1st rounder if they are willing). Stuart is from halfway between Edmonton and Calgary, so he might be perfectly willing to go for that deal. Stuart's salary is the biggest block between the Wings and retaining Hossa, and Stuart was our worst defenseman in the playoffs, especially in the finals. From my limited information about contract negotiating for professional athletes, (since I lack the talent of of the kids that shovel off the ice during stoppages) NTC are usually asked for by the player and not offered by the franchise. Players aren't all about waiving them to get away from teams that are perennial contenders. If the Wings could get Stuart's salary off of the books, signing Hossa would be relatively easy. I don't think that he will take a trade just to be a nice guy and help out what would be his former team to move his family across the continent again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Here's my plan: Trade Hossa's rights, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Mike Babcock for Heatley, Martin Gerber, Ottawa's Lion Mascot, and a half-eaten bagel. That will clear up cap room to sign Neil for 22 years at a Cap Hit of 26.7 million a year. This may seem high, but remember, Neil fights, and as anyone on LGW will tell you: fighting=Stanley Cup. Then, trade the bagel and the rights to Hossa (which we stole back) for Alex Ovechkin. To finish off the roster, sign Ohlund and Sundin to one year contracts. They're both old, so obviously that means they'll be the next Dallas Drake. Let Hudler walk for the next seven #1 picks and trade Filpulla and Holmstrom (just because it's obvious we HAVE to). Here's our lines next year: Heatley-Franzen-Leino Ovechkin-Ovechkin-Ovechkin Helm-Abdelkader-Neil Sundin-Draper-Ottawa's Lion Ohlund-Ericsson Kronwall-Stuart RedFX-Lebda Howard Small piece of furniture There's ABSOLUTELY no way this can go wrong!!!!!!!!!!! *slow clap* Post of the Year. Well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Cleary, Filp, Huds rights, Rafi and 2nd to Ott for Heatley and Neil. Toss in hossa's rights too Sign Bert, larose, ohlund FORWARDS Danny Heatley $7,500,000 Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Todd Bertuzzi $1,700,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 Chris Neil $1,500,000 Chad LaRose $1,200,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Justin Abdelkader $850,000 Ville Leino $750,000 Darren Helm $599,444 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Mattias Ohlund $2,200,000 Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Brett Lebda $650,000 Derek Meech $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 BUYOUTS NONE LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS NONE CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (including bonuses) ROSTER SIZE 22 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,120,653 BONUS MONEY (ESTIMATED) (0.2% of cap) $110,000 CAP ROOM $679,347 CAP ROOM PER OPEN SPOT $679,347 Heatley-Dats-Leino Mule-Z-Homer Bert-Helm-Neil LaRose-Draps-Abdelkader/Malts Lids-Ericsson Ohlund-Kronner Stu-Meech/Lebs Oz Howard it's almost 4am, i'm just bored now Sir, I have called you into my office to talk with you about your conduct. I hate to have to inform you but you are officially terminated as a Detroit Red Wings Fan. DOn't be to upset, we just cannot tolerate your stupidity any longer. On the upside the Predators are looking to fill some positions. Please leave the premises our security will escort you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Awww don't scare the guy away... lets just say that this roster was 'creative thinking'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 (snip) Stuart is from halfway between Edmonton and Calgary, so he might be perfectly willing to go for that deal. Stuart's salary is the biggest block between the Wings and retaining Hossa, and Stuart was our worst defenseman in the playoffs, especially in the finals. Stuart turned down Calgary to re-sign with us. They offered more, but he didn't want his step-daughter to have to go through customs to see her dad in California. Even though he is from Canada, he thought it in the best interest of his step-daughter to remain in the US until she was an adult, hence his NTC. Says a lot for the guy, if you ask me. I remember this because I got in an arguement with my dad. I had said Stuart turned down the Flames because he wanted to stay in the US, and dad argued that the Flames were a US team. It was the first sign that he was starting to go downhill mentally. I had to remind him that the Thrashers were now in Atlanta. If we're looking to trade Stuart, we need to offer him an American team, preferably one out west. As for the original post: um, it was, um.....original. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 lol nice post Red you and LEbda would own face out there RedFX is the next great D Man yo heard it here first lol but as to your trade NO i personally think the wings need to sign some MMA fighters for there 4th line Couture (sp?)-Kimbo Slice-Ken Shamrock then at least we wouldnt get pushed around by the Ducks anymore just thinking about Perry the Fairy getting rocked by Couture makes me laugh and while were at it lets sign a Sumo to play goalie and get a chimp astronaut to be our coach, then we bring in George W to be our GM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 goodbye depth, hello s***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Stuart turned down Calgary to re-sign with us. They offered more, but he didn't want his step-daughter to have to go through customs to see her dad in California. Even though he is from Canada, he thought it in the best interest of his step-daughter to remain in the US until she was an adult, hence his NTC. Says a lot for the guy, if you ask me. I remember this because I got in an arguement with my dad. I had said Stuart turned down the Flames because he wanted to stay in the US, and dad argued that the Flames were a US team. It was the first sign that he was starting to go downhill mentally. I had to remind him that the Thrashers were now in Atlanta. If we're looking to trade Stuart, we need to offer him an American team, preferably one out west. As for the original post: um, it was, um.....original. Ok, so we trade him Washington for the rights to Eric Fehr, Sergei Fedorov, and a 2nd rounder... Or, we trade him to Colorado for T.J. Hensick. Or, my favorite, Stuart and maybe a 3rd rounder to Phoenix for Chris Summers Edited June 29, 2009 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C20lw 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Here's my plan: Trade Hossa's rights, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Mike Babcock for Heatley, Martin Gerber, Ottawa's Lion Mascot, and a half-eaten bagel. That will clear up cap room to sign Neil for 22 years at a Cap Hit of 26.7 million a year. This may seem high, but remember, Neil fights, and as anyone on LGW will tell you: fighting=Stanley Cup. Then, trade the bagel and the rights to Hossa (which we stole back) for Alex Ovechkin. To finish off the roster, sign Ohlund and Sundin to one year contracts. They're both old, so obviously that means they'll be the next Dallas Drake. Let Hudler walk for the next seven #1 picks and trade Filpulla and Holmstrom (just because it's obvious we HAVE to). Here's our lines next year: Heatley-Franzen-Leino Ovechkin-Ovechkin-Ovechkin Helm-Abdelkader-Neil Sundin-Draper-Ottawa's Lion Ohlund-Ericsson Kronwall-Stuart RedFX-Lebda Howard Small piece of furniture There's ABSOLUTELY no way this can go wrong!!!!!!!!!!! O.....M......G...... :rotfl: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Glad there is only one Ken Holland, and it is NOT this guy.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 This worked in NHL09 so it has to work in real life too!!11!!1!!!11!! I scored 40 goals, 65 assists, and was a +125 getting the Calder, Norris, and Conn Smythe in NHL09! Sign me up coach! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Cleary, Filp, Huds rights, Rafi and 2nd to Ott for Heatley and Neil. Toss in hossa's rights too Sign Bert, larose, ohlund FORWARDS Danny Heatley $7,500,000 Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Todd Bertuzzi $1,700,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 Chris Neil $1,500,000 Chad LaRose $1,200,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Justin Abdelkader $850,000 Ville Leino $750,000 Darren Helm $599,444 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Mattias Ohlund $2,200,000 Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Brett Lebda $650,000 Derek Meech $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 BUYOUTS NONE LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS NONE CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (including bonuses) ROSTER SIZE 22 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,120,653 BONUS MONEY (ESTIMATED) (0.2% of cap) $110,000 CAP ROOM $679,347 CAP ROOM PER OPEN SPOT $679,347 Heatley-Dats-Leino Mule-Z-Homer Bert-Helm-Neil LaRose-Draps-Abdelkader/Malts Lids-Ericsson Ohlund-Kronner Stu-Meech/Lebs Oz Howard it's almost 4am, i'm just bored now Never gonna happen but I love that lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Just because you made the trade in NHL 09 doesn't mean it's a good idea in real life. Hell, you shouldn't have made this trade on the Xbox either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Players with NTC (Stuart, mainly) are the best option to trade without trading a young player with many good years ahead of him. The biggest problem with an NTC is making it the RIGHT trade so that the player actually waives the NTC. But here's an interesting thought. Offer Stuart to Edmonton for Jean-Francois Jacques and one of Taylor Chorney, Ladislav Smid, or even a 2nd rounder (a 1st rounder if they are willing). Stuart is from halfway between Edmonton and Calgary, so he might be perfectly willing to go for that deal. Stuart's salary is the biggest block between the Wings and retaining Hossa, and Stuart was our worst defenseman in the playoffs, especially in the finals. Did you even watch the playoffs? Wow, what a dumb comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VikingMark 5 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 ... and Stuart was our worst defenseman in the playoffs, especially in the finals. Did you even watch the playoffs? Wow, what a dumb comment. Did you? Did you watch Stuarts' mistakes end up in the Wings net TWICE in game seven? Did you watch any of the other games where Stuarts mistakes ended up in the back of the net? Seriously, how the hell do you 'Stuart Defenders' just consistently ignore his constant mistakes? Regular Season and Playoffs both, Brad Stuart has been the WORST d-man on the team. Hands-down. I swear, some of these 'Stuart Defenders' are worse than the 'Crosby Defenders', & both types make that Brittney Spears kid look articulated and debonair in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Stuart was the most solid defenseman we had behind Lids and Rafalski. He was even better than Rafalski at times. I know that around here one bad game means your whole career has been nothing, but there is no way we should be letting go of Stuart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Did you? Did you watch Stuarts' mistakes end up in the Wings net TWICE in game seven? Did you watch any of the other games where Stuarts mistakes ended up in the back of the net? Seriously, how the hell do you 'Stuart Defenders' just consistently ignore his constant mistakes? Regular Season and Playoffs both, Brad Stuart has been the WORST d-man on the team. Hands-down. I swear, some of these 'Stuart Defenders' are worse than the 'Crosby Defenders', & both types make that Brittney Spears kid look articulated and debonair in comparison. At ease soldier. Nobody liked his game 7 play. However, OVERALL, saying that he was the worst defenseman is a stretch, a big stretch. Stuart was the most solid defenseman we had behind Lids and Rafalski. He was even better than Rafalski at times. I know that around here one bad game means your whole career has been nothing, but there is no way we should be letting go of Stuart. This (bolded). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Stuart was the most solid defenseman we had behind Lids and Rafalski. He was even better than Rafalski at times. I know that around here one bad game means your whole career has been nothing, but there is no way we should be letting go of Stuart. ^^This. The guy was extremely solid until game 7 of the SCF. Several analysts commented along the way how great Stu was playing. Unfortunate that he had some gaffs in Game 7, but with our offense a complete no-show would not have made a difference..... Really annoying how some people just pick a scape goat out of a hat..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 articulated and debonair? OK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
