zenway9 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 When I read the offer he turned down, I completely understand his choice. However, one never knows.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 I'm kind of surprised he's leaving. I mean, he came here wanting to win a Cup, comes within one game of doing that and then gives up. If you want to win the Cup, why give up when you're so close? He hasn't signed with another team yet, but I'm guessing the team that does sign him, won't have as good a chance of winning it as the Wings. If he takes a big contract with a team like the Kings, then good for him, but I never figured him to be a quitter. No person on earth would be willing to take a 50% pay cut just to be in a good, winning work environment. Him not taking 3.75 million is not "going for the big bucks." He's obviously willing to discuss the matter as he's not gone yet, but it's unfair to paint him as greedy because he won't take a 50% pay cut when he's already being underpaid. I think we should give him credit for sticking around and negotiating after he was offered 3.75 a year. It sure sounds like he's doing everything he can to give the Wings a good deal. But there ARE limits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_winged_wheel 3 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Smell ya later Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 From Pierre Lebrun's blog... Still not sure what's happening with Marian Hossa. Wings GM Ken Holland was busy on the phone when I checked in this morning and I got this note from Hossa's agent Rich Winter: "Marian is a very private person. He will not discuss his business with other than those he is dealing with, as I have indicated." Something's going on...maybe he's staying??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 No person on earth would be willing to take a 50% pay cut just to be in a good, winning work environment. Him not taking 3.75 million is not "going for the big bucks." He's obviously willing to discuss the matter as he's not gone yet, but it's unfair to paint him as greedy because he won't take a 50% pay cut when he's already being underpaid. I think we should give him credit for sticking around and negotiating after he was offered 3.75 a year. It sure sounds like he's doing everything he can to give the Wings a good deal. But there ARE limits. His CAP HIT was $3.75 to $4 per year, not how much he'd make. He would make $6 or $7 mil per year for the first 6 years, then the deal would go down significantly, lowering the hit. At that point though, the Wings wouldn't want to have a 36 year old count for $4 mil against the cap and would buy him out or he would retire. Hossa would still get his money in Detroit. Again, to everyone that thinks he's taking a 50% pay cut, his CAP HIT is the only thing going down by 50%. He would be making almost the same as he made this past year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 what are the odds he lands on a cup-winning team if he jumps around like he is? if it was really that important to him, shirley over 10 years in detroit he would have a great chance to at least win a couple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 The list of teams that might be able to pick up Hossa that could have a reasonable shot at the Cup within the next few years: Vancouver (If they were to keep both Sedins and sign Hossa, that could be dangerous) Anaheim (They still need to fill out their top four on defense as well, which may or may not include Nieds) New Jersey (assuming they can sign Hossa and still fill out their lower lines with decent players) Chicago (need to sign some depth defensemen, backup goalie and RFA forwards. Easily enough space for now) Other teams with a shot at the Cup could make room for him, such as Detroit would have to, but those are the only four with anything resembling a shot in the near future that can do what is necessary cap-space wise without dropping players AND sign Hossa. So look for him to either stay in Detroit or go to one of those teams if he actually does still want a shot at the Cup, unless the team he signs with makes notable moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Wonder if he'd have taken the deal if we'd have won the Cup. I can't imagine he would've TBH. I truly believed if the Wings had won the cup this year Hossa would've taken the big, secure long-term contract with another club since he'd have a Cup under his belt. Now, I also thought he would've stayed in Detroit if they came up short since they're perennial contenders, but the cap room just isn't there and he can't keep gambling on his future with one year deals. Thanks for everything Hoss, best of luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 seem to remember you loving Hossa all year long.... funny how quick people can turn haha Didn't like him before we got him.... he won me over with his play in the seaon... turned me off with his play in the most important games of the season... so basicallly its full circle with him With the Hossa curse we are never going to win it with him... so its better he leaves. No hard feeling other than he should have been hurt playing like he did in the post season... but he wasn't so its time to go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 He's had a major surgery performed on one of his knees. With knee injuries like that you're almost never going to get back to where you were before the surgery. If you're feeling 100% you're still more likely to have another injury. You'll likely never walk around and have the knees feel perfect like they were before. The human knee is the worst of all our joints from an engineering perspective. Now this is evolution's fault- we're walking upright but our body's retrofitted to do that, the base design is that of a quadruped. The knee is where this becomes more apparent. Our knee design is much more stable and resistant to injury if we walk on all fours. Once you take away that static stability you're relying on dynamic stability to resist perturbations in your gait. What I'm getting at here is that the human knee, once seriously injured, is prone to re-injury due to intricacies in how the structure is stabilized internally and how ligaments (for example) scar/heal. Also, after that rambling it should be noted that it's said Hossa wears knee braces during workouts anyway, so he clearly doesn't feel his knees are sparkling and new. Edit: My ramblings on knee injuries are meant to be specific to the type of injury Hossa experienced You're trying to make something out of nothing. He doesn't have bad knees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 He's had a major surgery performed on one of his knees. With knee injuries like that you're almost never going to get back to where you were before the surgery. If you're feeling 100% you're still more likely to have another injury. You'll likely never walk around and have the knees feel perfect like they were before. The human knee is the worst of all our joints from an engineering perspective. Now this is evolution's fault- we're walking upright but our body's retrofitted to do that, the base design is that of a quadruped. The knee is where this becomes more apparent. Our knee design is much more stable and resistant to injury if we walk on all fours. Once you take away that static stability you're relying on dynamic stability to resist perturbations in your gait. What I'm getting at here is that the human knee, once seriously injured, is prone to re-injury due to intricacies in how the structure is stabilized internally and how ligaments (for example) scar/heal. Also, after that rambling it should be noted that it's said Hossa wears knee braces during workouts anyway, so he clearly doesn't feel his knees are sparkling and new. Edit: My ramblings on knee injuries are meant to be specific to the type of injury Hossa experienced His knees only buckle under pressure..... they were fine during the regular season when the pressure was off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
talex 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Bad news at least as far as I am concerned. I believe in depth, but Sammy and Huds for Hossa... I would take this anyday. Sammy will simply get an offer the Wings should not match, Huds is great during reg season, but his size was a liability during the playoffs and finals so I would not offer him more than 1.5 regardless of the stats thrown up comparing to Flip. As far as Flip... without a Hossa type player with him he is alot less attractive to keep, perhaps Franzen can be the shooter, but Flip simply does not shoot enough and he needs 2 good wingmen with him to shine and Huds is not that guy, Cleary is not that guy and it seems Dats and Z will be on the same line, so we go from 2 Great lines to 1. Sammy and Huds were 3rd line guys, we have Helm, Leino (whom I am not overly on board with, he seems to like to skate around with the puck and seems to lack grit) and Abby who will be in GR another year. My hope was that they could get Hoss signed and then when some $$ free up they could really complete things, but now especially if they throw the Hossa $$ at Huds and Sammy I see a much more difficult road. People can whatever they like, but Hossa did free up ALOT of space and pressure for our other stars and at times made Flip look brilliant. Many point to the fact that we won the cup last year w/o him... well our team is another year older and we could not pull it off with him, clearly the most talented and BIGGEST of the 3 players commonly discussed to say keeping the 3rd line guys and loosing a great top 2 lines makes no sense to me, especially with how high everyone is on our AHL talent, you would think this point at an obvious conclusion that since we have great prospects to fill 3rd and 4th line spots you would go all out to ice an incredible 1/2 lines. Time will tell but it is obvious that the cap is starting to have it's impact and the mediocraty will eventually bite the Wings. Z's back very well could get hurt, Franzen could very well disapeer like he did in the playoffs and who knows what's going on with Dats. Loosing Hossa to me is the worst thing that could have happened. I am optomistic that Holland will somehow make all this work out, but I do not expect nearly as good of a team on the ice in 09/10 as we seen in 08/09. I wish Hoss the best, same goes for Huds and Sammy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsgirl001 983 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 ... What?! Nooo I really liked Hossa ... Thanks for everything, buddy. Best of luck ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 His knees only buckle under pressure..... they were fine during the regular season when the pressure was off. OsGod your a hero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Pierre McGuire keeps saying he'd be surprisd if Hossa left the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Pierre McGuire keeps saying he'd be surprisd if Hossa left the Wings. I am sure I would be also. For a guy that wants to win the cup so bad and he left the Penguins to come here for a cup and now he wants to leave to a new team? I don't really know what this guy is trying to do anymore, here would be a good chance for him to win a cup. You watch once he leaves we will win the cup like the Penguins did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Pierre McGuire keeps saying he'd be surprisd if Hossa left the Wings. He just doesn't want him to have a possibility to go back to pittsburgh and f*** up Cindy's Back2Back run next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzermania 156 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Pierre McGuire keeps saying he'd be surprisd if Hossa left the Wings. I think there's still a chance. Everyone is saying L.A. and minny and everythign are going to be after him, if he REALLY does want a cup, he will take less money and stay with the wings. Testing the market doesn't mean he is leaving for sure obviously, he's just looking at other offers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Pierre McGuire keeps saying he'd be surprisd if Hossa left the Wings. I would be surprised if he stayed. If he goes somewhere I don't see LA. I see the Habs or the Rangers. Edited July 1, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 TSN reports Hossa closing in on Blackhawks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Dreger just said Hossa is close to signing with the Blackhawks?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Dreger just said Hossa is close to signing with the Blackhawks?? not cool not cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 TSN reports Hossa closing in on Blackhawks Please tell me you're kidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 wtf where did the Hawks come from, what the f*** is Hossa thinking if he does that signing!!??!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted July 1, 2009 Hossa has a fairly good chance with Blackhawks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
