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We lost 88 goals and get back 76 goals - Good Job Kenny!


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#1 Snazzy

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 01:04 AM

Impressive off season considering the circumstances!

We lost:

Hossa - 40g
Hudler - 23g
Sammy - 19g
Kops - 6g
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total 88

We gain:

Bert - 20g
Williams - 20g
Leino - 12g
Eaves - 8g
Ericsson - 8g
Flip will crack 20g with more ice time, adding an addition 8 goals from last year.
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total 76


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#2 BeeRYCE

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 01:16 AM

QUOTE (Snazzy @ August 19, 2009 - 02:04AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Impressive off season considering the circumstances!

We lost:

Hossa - 40g
Hudler - 23g
Sammy - 19g
Kops - 6g
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total 88

We gain:

Bert - 20g
Williams - 20g
Leino - 12g
Eaves - 8g
Ericsson - 8g
Flip will crack 20g with more ice time, adding an addition 8 goals from last year.
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total 76


I hope more from Leino, and assume less than 20 from Willy. I think Filppula is pick up 25 goals though.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 01:37 AM

Didn't we win the 2008 Championship?
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Posted 19 August 2009 - 01:57 AM

QUOTE (MotorCityMadness @ August 19, 2009 - 01:37AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't we win the 2008 Championship?


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Posted 19 August 2009 - 02:11 AM

Leino's gettin more than that happy.gif

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 02:35 AM

QUOTE (MotorCityMadness @ August 19, 2009 - 02:37AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't we win the 2008 Championship?


07/08 -- After I clicked "submit" I thought to myself,,,,,,"awww's***, now the thread is going to turn into a major f*** fest and pissing contest over a typo." Oooops, lol. This should be fun! biggrin.gif
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Posted 19 August 2009 - 04:54 AM

QUOTE (Snazzy @ August 18, 2009 - 11:04PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Impressive off season considering the circumstances!

We lost:

Hossa - 40g
Hudler - 23g
Sammy - 19g
Kops - 6g
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total 88

We gain:

Bert - 20g
Williams - 20g
Leino - 12g
Eaves - 8g
Ericsson - 8g
Flip will crack 20g with more ice time, adding an addition 8 goals from last year.
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total 76


Umm, I really don't mean to get into it again with you, but weren't you arguing with me pretty adamantly about how Holland shouldn't dare sign anyone and just bring the kids up?

So....Why the change of heart?

Edited by ShanahanMan, 19 August 2009 - 05:01 AM.



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Posted 19 August 2009 - 05:27 AM

Add to this fact that Helm is going to be here ALL year and there is NO WAY Osgood has as bad of year (GAA-wise) as he did last year (could he?) So you can shave off atleast 20 goals from our Goals Against this year as well. I am excited to see how having three people that can screen the net also adds to our goals for. With Holmstrom, Franzen and now Bertuzzi who can all reek havoc to opposing goaltender, we should outdo the 88 goals lost and then some...

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 06:32 AM

Holy cow I can't believe that he just about made up for the losses offensively. I always assumed that Hossa was never even worth throwing into the mix because we won the Cup just fine without him, but here we are, 12 goals less than last year, more new-blood, more grit, more players with more reasons to prove themselves.

This is going to be an interesting year to say the least.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 06:55 AM

I thought this was an offseason of gloom? huh.gif tongue.gif

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 07:05 AM

Hate to spoil the fun, but there is some fuzzy math there, friendo.

You can't use actual stats on the players we lost, then utilize the wrong numbers for the players we gain.

Worse, you are "adding" players that were already here.

Bertuzzi had 15 goals.
J. Williams= 19
P. Eaves= 6

So, in terms of players we gained, we are removing 88 goals and supplying 40.

The other players you mentioned (Leino, Ericsson) had 5 and 1, respectively.

So even using the "we are adding Leino and Ericsson" line, you still only have 46. You can't say there are 76 goals replacing 88 without flubbing statistics.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 07:12 AM

Its my hope that we improve defensively. We scored 257 goals and allowed 184 goals when we won the cup in 2007-2008. Last season we scored 295 goals (a +38 improvement) but allowed 244 goals (a +60 difference). So in essence, we played WORSE defensively with the same team that won the cup the previous season. I think we should concentrate less on the scoring output from last season and concentrate on bringing the goals against down to the level it was when we won the cup in 2007-2008.
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Posted 19 August 2009 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE (RedWingAbner @ August 19, 2009 - 08:05AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to spoil the fun, but there is some fuzzy math there, friendo.

You can't use actual stats on the players we lost, then utilize the wrong numbers for the players we gain.

Worse, you are "adding" players that were already here.

Bertuzzi had 15 goals.
J. Williams= 19
P. Eaves= 6

So, in terms of players we gained, we are removing 88 goals and supplying 40.

The other players you mentioned (Leino, Ericsson) had 5 and 1, respectively.

So even using the "we are adding Leino and Ericsson" line, you still only have 46. You can't say there are 76 goals replacing 88 without flubbing statistics.



Hossa doesn't count. He is, what we call in the math world, a statistical anomaly. smile.gif
We lost 48 goals and supply 46.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 07:36 AM

QUOTE (Snazzy @ August 19, 2009 - 02:04AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Impressive off season considering the circumstances!

We lost:

Hossa - 40g

We gain:

Flip will crack 20g with more ice time, adding an addition 8 goals from last year.



Well since your pulling 8 goals from nowhere, subtract 15 from Hossa since he is injured till at least Christmas.

Now your looking at 73 / 76.

BUT as wonderful as this may be non of it really matters once the real season starts in the spring.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:47 AM

Bertuzzi > Hudler
Williams = Sammy
Eaves > Kopecky

Hossa = was never actually a part of our future nor our past ... so not a great loss IMO.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE (KrazyGangsta @ August 19, 2009 - 10:47AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bertuzzi > Hudler
Williams = Sammy
Eaves > Kopecky

Hossa = was never actually a part of our future nor our past ... so not a great loss IMO.


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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:13 AM

I expect 15-20 from both Williams and Bert so even at 17 each thats 34 goals right there. Leino I would hope about 10-15, but who know maybe more so even at 10 now you are at 44 goals. Helm around 10? That's 54. Cleary is bound to have a better year. He only had 14 last year while the year before probably would have hit 30 had he not got hurt in TO. So 22 or so for him that's a plus 8 from last season, so thats 62 goals. And Eaves gets you 8 puts you at 70. And we can hope Hank and Fil have better goal scoring years than last. But still even at 70 they've only lost 18 goals. I would hope their D and goaltending would play better this year, they need to you can't have another year like that and hope to hold teams off. So even if they give up 20 less goals, which is 220 goals against which isn't good for a Wings team, that's a net gain of 90 goals while they lost 88. Not bad imo. People might not like the signings but for the cap space they had it's not bad.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (RedWingAbner @ August 19, 2009 - 08:05AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to spoil the fun, but there is some fuzzy math there, friendo.

You can't use actual stats on the players we lost, then utilize the wrong numbers for the players we gain.

Worse, you are "adding" players that were already here.

Bertuzzi had 15 goals.
J. Williams= 19
P. Eaves= 6

So, in terms of players we gained, we are removing 88 goals and supplying 40.

The other players you mentioned (Leino, Ericsson) had 5 and 1, respectively.

So even using the "we are adding Leino and Ericsson" line, you still only have 46. You can't say there are 76 goals replacing 88 without flubbing statistics.


No, the math is kinda good. He's pointint what we lost in the 2009 offseason and compairing it to what we gained in the 2009 offseason.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE (RedWingAbner @ August 19, 2009 - 07:05AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to spoil the fun, but there is some fuzzy math there, friendo.

You can't use actual stats on the players we lost, then utilize the wrong numbers for the players we gain.

Worse, you are "adding" players that were already here.

Bertuzzi had 15 goals.
J. Williams= 19
P. Eaves= 6

So, in terms of players we gained, we are removing 88 goals and supplying 40.

The other players you mentioned (Leino, Ericsson) had 5 and 1, respectively.

So even using the "we are adding Leino and Ericsson" line, you still only have 46. You can't say there are 76 goals replacing 88 without flubbing statistics.


thank you for saying that. as a mathemitician the logic of this thread made me puke in my mouth a little bit!

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE (KrazyGangsta @ August 19, 2009 - 09:47AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bertuzzi > Hudler
Williams = Sammy
Eaves > Kopecky

Hossa = was never actually a part of our future nor our past ... so not a great loss IMO.


you gotta be kidding me?!?!! while hudler is not exactly mr. popular around here right now, i think that statement is absurd.

in the last 3 years hudler has put up 124 points while bertuzzi has only put up 93. and before someone remarks that bertuzzi hasn't play a full season, why is that a good thing? why pay him that much money when he will just be injured half the time and we will need someone else to cover for him?

I love Maltby, but to say he wasn't a ****** is a dis-service to his career of douchebaggery.






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