Hudler + Helm

[newfy 695]

Its funny how when Hudler is playing like s*** and wasting a roster space there are a lot of people on here who defend him even though he is a horrible plus minus and getting manhandled out there every shift, but the wings cant have a decent enforcer type that can play a regular shift because they cant play hockey

[Carman 387]

Its funny how when Hudler is playing like s*** and wasting a roster space there are a lot of people on here who defend him even though he is a horrible plus minus and getting manhandled out there every shift, but the wings cant have a decent enforcer type that can play a regular shift because they cant play hockey

Hudler was good before he lost all his talent in Russia.

I'd love like Prust here, but I definitely don't want a Boogard/laraque/Macintyre type

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

This is the same problem Hudler has always had in Detroit.

Not good enough to play in the top 6, and too lazy to play with checkers and grinders.

I honestly have no clue what to do with Modano, but I didn't want him here in the first place for that very reason. He just doesn't fit into this team at this point in his career. He's not some Dallas Drake that can be 40 and play effectively as a grinder. And like Hudler, he's not skilled enough to be in our top 6.

Don't know why Kenny Holland and some people here thought he would work out.

Edited November 4, 2010 by GMRwings1983

[Broken 16 381]

I love all these naysayers suddenly speaking in absolutes like ten games in. Lol.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

Hudler has vision, finishing and passing skills and the ability to find open ice, lacking speed and grit.

Hudler is a proven offensive player...

Hudler can actually make something of the chances Helm creates (unlike Helm's current linemates), and can actually utilize his speed with a perfect pass for a no-brainer goal (which really for Helm is the only goal he is capable of).

So how does it happen? I would prefer a 3rd line of Helm/Hudler/Cleary in all honesty. Babcock should have the balls to put Modano on the 4th line, IMO, but I'm curious as to other thoughts.

No offense, but....

Hudler is showing none of this, hence the reason he was benched. (are you watching a different Hudler than the rest of us?)

Modano signed here to be on the third line(or higher.) He will not be on the fourth...

[egroen 384]

No offense, but....

Hudler is showing none of this, hence the reason he was benched. (are you watching a different Hudler than the rest of us?)

Modano signed here to be on the third line(or higher.) He will not be on the fourth...

Maybe I am the crazy one here, but IMO 8 games does not necessarily indicate someone has lost all their talent. Hudler has produced well at every level, including the playoffs, and with limited minutes. He is at an age now where he should just be entering his prime so I do not think it is too crazy to think he is not 'worthless' after struggling in all of 7 games.

And I am going to lose a lot of respect for Babcock and Holland if they are letting a player dictate how much ice time he gets... no matter who the player or what he has done in the past.

Edited November 4, 2010 by egroen

[Guest Stolberg]

this will be a full blown enforcer thread by page 4

[Broken 16 381]

Full blown? I think it can get to 6 before we see full blown.

Edited November 4, 2010 by Broken 16

[eva unit zero 271]

Full blown? I think it can get to 6 before we see full blown.

Having Hudler dressed is better than an enforcer even if the only ice time he sees is on the power play.

[uk_redwing 495]

Having Hudler dressed is better than an enforcer even if the only ice time he sees is on the power play.

I'd like some stats to back up that claim, please.

[T.Low 1,011]

Modano will start putting up points if he has Abby and Cleary as his wingers.

OMG. A Prophet. You are the Chosen One.

Hey, Is Matt Butcher a healthy scratch for the Cyclones or is he injured again? http://www.cycloneshockey.com/news/latest-stories/ and http://cycloneslive.blogspot.com/ are not so informative and I don't see Matt's dad Garth as often as I used to, to ask him what's going on.

[Broken 16 381]

I'd like some stats to back up that claim, please.

I stand corrected.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

Having Hudler dressed is better than an enforcer even if the only ice time he sees is on the power play.

Hudler is a freaking bum.

I'd take any enforcer over a guy that will make twice as much money and not make any impact on the team.

[titanium2 867]

Hudler is a freaking bum.

I'd take any enforcer over a guy that will make twice as much money and not make any impact on the team.

But Hudler is the whole reason why the Red Wings exist in the first place.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I'd like some stats to back up that claim, please.

[eva unit zero 271]

Hudler is a freaking bum.

I'd take any enforcer over a guy that will make twice as much money and not make any impact on the team.

You would take Anders Eriksson at wing over Hudler.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Hudler is the definition of a tough as nails enforcer, just ask Mike Brown. Need I post the video?

[Broken 16 381]

Poor Happy. I didn't expect the dogpile so early in the season.

[Shady Ultima 40]

Poor Happy. I didn't expect the dogpile so early in the season.

It's funny cause a week ago, everyone was blaming the third line's struggles on Mo, but Huds sits, and suddenly, the third line wins us 2 games in a row. Huds is the weak link.

[clutchngrab 12]

I watched Hudler closely while he was developing here. He was always too small, too slow, too whatever. Babcock hated him. But he improved greatly over a 2 or 3 year span and I kind of liked him as the underdog. The guy worked hard back then, but sadly probably forgot that ethic after his KHL contract. I always pulled for the guy, but I have to say that a trade for another Abbie type forward now, while we still can, would be the best move.

[titanium2 867]

“I didn’t think our fourth line was as good tonight, but I mean, Huds doesn’t play like those guys. We’ll figure it out here over time.”

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101105/SPORTS05/101105037/1053/sports05/Howard-leads-Red-Wings-to-third-straight-win&template=fullarticle

Hmmm... "Doesn't play like those guys."

[Nev 1,085]

Y'know, thinking back on the pre-season "2010-11 Scapegoat" thread, I really don't remember anyone picking Hudler. Whodathunkit?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Y'know, thinking back on the pre-season "2010-11 Scapegoat" thread, I really don't remember anyone picking Hudler. Whodathunkit?

For $2.875 mill I guess I was just hoping it wouldn't be him. And honestly I wouldn't have guessed that a year in the KHL would have stunted his game as much as it seemed to. I was hoping he would be the sniper the Wings have been needing.

The season is young, but man he needs to get it together. 8 games, 0 goals, 3 assists, and a -6.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

Hudler and Helm on the same line? Last night, no thank you. Hudler right now is worthless. Early in the season, yes. Howevever I'm liking the idea of trading Hudler maybe at some point...

Edited November 6, 2010 by St. Michael (the Red Wing)