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Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

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:hysterical: You got a -2 and I got a -5 for the comments about this! I wonder if we got negged because of the subject matter or the fact that most sheeple are walking down that narrow hallway? Anyhow I gave you plus to try to bring you back up...

I wish Crosby a happy and healthy life... I'd like to see him come back and try to play, but one more hit and its scrambled eggs...

I noticed this. Pretty lame. Most sheeple don't want to acknowledge that something is going wrong. People that have the open mind to research this tend to be blown away and eventually realize we're all living a lie.

Back on topic, who are we gonna get shoved down our throats if Crosby is gone?!?!

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I noticed this. Pretty lame. Most sheeple don't want to acknowledge that something is going wrong. People that have the open mind to research this tend to be blown away and eventually realize we're all living a lie.

Back on topic, who are we gonna get shoved down our throats if Crosby is gone?!?!

For some reason, I cannot think of a player who they may shove down our throats who wouldn't bother me. At least not as much as Crosby does. We know if won't be anyone from the Red Wings, Malkin and Toews and that other scrawny Hawk are already past their "Face of the NHL" prime. I don't think Stampkos would be too bad to have as the "face." Too bad Taylor Hall and Nugent-Hopkins play outside of the States or one of those guys could be it, but Uncle Gary would never market a player who doesn't play in the USA. Seguin just doesn't have the whiney ****** appeal, plus he doesn't flop around like Crosby. Tavares plays for the Islnaders, nuff said... I guess we'd have to go with Stampkos, but I don't think I hate him, so I wouldn't mind him being the "Face." (oh and forget ANY European player, or player who has any toughness or snarl what-so-ever. Another reason why Stampkos or Seguin probably won't be the Face. They aren't fighters, but they don't mind getting hit or hitting back and actually fighting for the puck and getting bloody.)

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I'll continue the list.

Guy Carbonneau- 3 Selkes, 3 Cups.

Larry Aurie- 2 Cups, 1 ASG.

Marc Tardif- 2 Cups, 2 WHA MVPs and scoring titles.

Aleksandr Mogilny- Cup, Olympic Gold, 7 ASGs, Byng. First Russian NHL player, All-Star, Captain.

Crosby has a Hart, Art Ross and Richard, in addition to his Top 10 finishes, Cup & Olympic Gold, excellent PPG and playoff PPG, he has a 1st Team and 2nd Team Post-Season All Star Team Selection at center.

There is not a single player with even a few of those accomplishments 'not' in the Hall of Fame, and it's a better resume than a lot of the ones already in.

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:hysterical: You got a -2 and I got a -5 for the comments about this! I wonder if we got negged because of the subject matter or the fact that most sheeple are walking down that narrow hallway? Anyhow I gave you plus to try to bring you back up...

I wish Crosby a happy and healthy life... I'd like to see him come back and try to play, but one more hit and its scrambled eggs... and all this talk about him going to the Hall? I understand that the "stats" he has is your guy's argument on him being there, that's fine, but if we are saying if Crosby doesn't play one more game and he still has "stats" that are good enough to get him in the Hall, then Osgood is a shoe-in and NONE of you who are arguing FOR Crosby to get there can say Osgood doesn't have the "stats" to get him in based on other goalies in the Hall... Thank you guys for putting an end to the Osgood/Hall of Fame argument...that means #30 will rise to the rafters as well (as it should be!)

Retired Crosby and Osgood are pretty opposite scenarios for the Hall - Osgood is a candidate for being good for a long time, which Crosby obviously lacks, but Osgood has nowhere near the peak and prime of Crosby.

Sort of the Bure vs. Gardner debate.

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I almost shed a tear then it reminded me that I was being like him.

Maybe he can make millions making video in how to shoot the tops off hockey puck pyramids...

Or teaching kids how to take a hit.... maybe not :cool:

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I hate Crosby's antics as much as the next Guy but I hope he returns to form soon for the sake of the rivalry and for the NHL.

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So not throwing your franchise player into the NHL playoffs, when he hadn't played in 4months and was having recurring concussion symptoms, is milking it? Ok.

Pretty obvious things are not going as planned with Crosby's recovery. It would seem the Pens are trying to keep it quiet, not publicize it.

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Crosby was apparently just about "ready to go" late last year and then all that s*** was happening with Matt Cooke and then Mario Lemieux running his flapper about the NHL being bush league and then mysteriously, Crosby is no longer ready to go and will miss the rest of the year and maybe playoffs.... Lemieux made stupid comments and then Matt Cooke destroyed all his credibility and then Crosby's health suddenly took a turn back to the worse...nothing happened there where Lemieux was trying to back up a little and have his franchise player to sit to try and make his previous points valid all the while punishing Cooke for the media...ok.

as far as keeping it quiet...every week there's a new article on Crosby as though we're gonna forget his NHL God. they're publicizing every time he takes a painkiller for christ sake. look back on TSN's recent articles for NHL. there's enought to write a book on blindside hits and concussions.

and Crosby was doing conditioning the whole time to stay in shape so he could have played anytime he got back to full contact practices. we'll see just how over his career is when he misses maybe the first 5 games this season and is leading the league in points at the 10 game mark of the season with 14 pts in 5 games... the NHL can't afford to lose him. all the bleeding hearts will petition to have hitting removed from hockey if his career is over.

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As much as i hate him, i love the rivalry and don't want to see such a good players career end this way.

I agree.

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Crosby was apparently just about "ready to go" late last year and then all that s*** was happening with Matt Cooke and then Mario Lemieux running his flapper about the NHL being bush league and then mysteriously, Crosby is no longer ready to go and will miss the rest of the year and maybe playoffs.... Lemieux made stupid comments and then Matt Cooke destroyed all his credibility and then Crosby's health suddenly took a turn back to the worse...nothing happened there where Lemieux was trying to back up a little and have his franchise player to sit to try and make his previous points valid all the while punishing Cooke for the media...ok.

as far as keeping it quiet...every week there's a new article on Crosby as though we're gonna forget his NHL God. they're publicizing every time he takes a painkiller for christ sake. look back on TSN's recent articles for NHL. there's enought to write a book on blindside hits and concussions.

and Crosby was doing conditioning the whole time to stay in shape so he could have played anytime he got back to full contact practices. we'll see just how over his career is when he misses maybe the first 5 games this season and is leading the league in points at the 10 game mark of the season with 14 pts in 5 games... the NHL can't afford to lose him. all the bleeding hearts will petition to have hitting removed from hockey if his career is over.

So the Penguins intentionally sat their star player (who was on a 1.61 PPG pace before his injury) for part of the regular season and playoffs, to make some vague point to the league?

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I feel so bad for Crosby right now I hope he get's back out there soon time, such a horrible way to go down for so long.

Agreed.

Since he's not a Red Wing I'm pretty indifferent on the kid, but some here with their animosity towards him leaves me scratching my head...He's 1 of the best players in the league today, and I hope he makes a full recovery, and gets back to where he had left off.

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I have several issues with this:

What has Crosby done to give indication that he is "bigger than the game?"

He didn't get his concussions from getting stood up at the blueline.

Lindros kept skating through the middle with his head down, probably from growing up playing against guys so much littler than him. This is no way the same thing as what happened to Crosby.

Crosby isn't even in the top ten of divers in the league. He did it more early in his career, but he's nowhere near what half the Vancouver and Sharks teams were doing in the playoffs.

Losing one of the best players to ever play the game is going to hurt the league for more than marketing reasons.

I get sick of all the Crosby marketing and wish they'd spend more time promoting other players, but that's not Crosby's fault.

Honestly I hate the little f***. I think he's still kind of immature and he has some little-***** like quality that's easy to hate. But he's 24 years old. There's still time to grow up. And he's an incredibly talented player who works his ass off.

I just don't get how so many hockey fans would want one of the best players in the game not to be able to play. Even if just to hate him when the Wings play. I've hated a lot of great players over the year, in part for that reason, because they were great and they kept schooling my favorite players. But it makes it so satisfying when you defeat them. It makes for great rivalries.

Spot on post :thumbup:

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Crosby was apparently just about "ready to go" late last year and then all that s*** was happening with Matt Cooke

as far as keeping it quiet...every week there's a new article on Crosby as though we're gonna forget his NHL God. they're publicizing every time he takes a painkiller for christ sake. look back on TSN's recent articles for NHL. there's enought to write a book on blindside hits and concussions.

So a team that was good enough to go 7 games with Tampa, let the 2nd best player in the league sit to prove a point? Pure genius.

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Top 10 finishes:

1, 2, 3, 6 - Crosby

2, 3, 5, 7 - Bure

1, 6, 7 - Lindros

And unlike Bure and Lindros, Crosby won a Cup, as the youngest captain to do so ever.

He is a shoe-in.

Maltby won Cups. So what. And what the hell does his age have to do with it.

1 Cup and he's in. Are you kidding?

He's played what 3 years and people are talking about the HOF. Get a grip.

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Maltby won Cups. So what. And what the hell does his age have to do with it.

1 Cup and he's in. Are you kidding?

He's played what 3 years and people are talking about the HOF. Get a grip.

Oh come on! You're better than that.

Was Maltby the youngest captain to win a Cup?

Does Maltby have a Hart, Art Ross, Richard and a 1st and 2nd Team All-Star selections?

Did Maltby ever lead the league in PPG over 6 seasons like Crosby has since his rookie year?

Obviously it is not one Cup that makes Crosby a HOF lock, but a combination of his accomplishments. That one Cup does differentiate Crosby from players with similar (though still lesser) primes like Lindros and Bure, and we all know that matters to the committee.

Things like his age, his fame (and ability to have not been involved in any sort of scandal), Cup win, Olympic gold and the "golden shot" (groan) all matter to the committee. Like it or not.

It is inconceivable that Crosby would not make the Hall if he retired today. Same with Ovechkin.

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Maltby won Cups. So what. And what the hell does his age have to do with it.

1 Cup and he's in. Are you kidding?

He's played what 3 years and people are talking about the HOF. Get a grip.

He's actually played 6 seasons, because he started when he was 18.

Rocket Richard

Art Ross

Pearson

Hart

Stanley Cup

World Jr. Gold Medal

Olympic Gold Medal

572 points in 412 games

82 points in 62 playoff games

At 24 years old he already has more personal and team achievements than most guys who have ever played the game.

He's a lock for the HHOF no matter what happens at this point.

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Crosby was apparently just about "ready to go" late last year and then all that s*** was happening with Matt Cooke and then Mario Lemieux running his flapper about the NHL being bush league and then mysteriously, Crosby is no longer ready to go and will miss the rest of the year and maybe playoffs.... Lemieux made stupid comments and then Matt Cooke destroyed all his credibility and then Crosby's health suddenly took a turn back to the worse...nothing happened there where Lemieux was trying to back up a little and have his franchise player to sit to try and make his previous points valid all the while punishing Cooke for the media...ok.

as far as keeping it quiet...every week there's a new article on Crosby as though we're gonna forget his NHL God. they're publicizing every time he takes a painkiller for christ sake. look back on TSN's recent articles for NHL. there's enought to write a book on blindside hits and concussions.

and Crosby was doing conditioning the whole time to stay in shape so he could have played anytime he got back to full contact practices. we'll see just how over his career is when he misses maybe the first 5 games this season and is leading the league in points at the 10 game mark of the season with 14 pts in 5 games... the NHL can't afford to lose him. all the bleeding hearts will petition to have hitting removed from hockey if his career is over.

You remember how long it took for Lilja to come back from a concussion?

A long time.

He kept having recurring headaches.

From the time of his injury in late 2009, he only played 20 regular season games in the 2009-10 season following.

Let that sink in for a minute. He missed roughly a full season of playing time.

I don't like Crosby like pretty much everybody else on here but you don't mess around trying to come back from concussions sooner than needed.

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Oh come on! You're better than that.

Was Maltby the youngest captain to win a Cup?

Does Maltby have a Hart, Art Ross, Richard and a 1st and 2nd Team All-Star selections?

Did Maltby ever lead the league in PPG over 6 seasons like Crosby has since his rookie year?

Obviously it is not one Cup that makes Crosby a HOF lock, but a combination of his accomplishments. That one Cup does differentiate Crosby from players with similar (though still lesser) primes like Lindros and Bure, and we all know that matters to the committee.

Things like his age, his fame (and ability to have not been involved in any sort of scandal), Cup win, Olympic gold and the "golden shot" (groan) all matter to the committee. Like it or not.

It is inconceivable that Crosby would not make the Hall if he retired today. Same with Ovechkin.

Maltby isn't a ****** though.

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Maltby isn't a ****** though.

I will guarantee you probably a majority of fans think otherwise about Maltby. He was a type of player that was easily hated if you weren't a fan of the team he played on. Just like most here probably think of Crosby.

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I really hope he never plays again. I don't get any pleasure out of saying that, I just think that certain players hurt the game more than help it. Crosby fits into that because so many little ones look up to him and all he does is play extremely well skill wise and extremely poor ethic/gamesmanship/sportsmanship wise.

I am in the opinion that nothing is more important now than to be a good example to the kids on how to act gracefully in whatever they do.

I am awful sick of dealing with people who think it is okay to act the way Crosby and other superstars act.

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He's actually played 6 seasons, because he started when he was 18.

Rocket Richard

Art Ross

Pearson

Hart

Stanley Cup

World Jr. Gold Medal

Olympic Gold Medal

572 points in 412 games

82 points in 62 playoff games

At 24 years old he already has more personal and team achievements than most guys who have ever played the game.

He's a lock for the HHOF no matter what happens at this point.

I think you are high. He is close to being a lock for the HHOF... but I don't think most voters will justify 6 years as a true career.

That might be blind distaste for him, but I just think most voters look for reasons to exclude people.

I tell you what, if Crosby gets in right now. I will be extremely pissed if Osgood doesn't get in.

Which really is better? An amazing short career, or a consistently strong long career?

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Maltby isn't a ****** though.

Maltby was a total ******. The only thing was that he was OUR ******, and we loved him. He was always stirring s***, being a pest, running his mouth, but never actually backed his words by dropping his gloves.

I love Maltby, but to say he wasn't a ****** is a dis-service to his career of douchebaggery.

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I think you are high. He is close to being a lock for the HHOF... but I don't think most voters will justify 6 years as a true career.

That might be blind distaste for him, but I just think most voters look for reasons to exclude people.

I tell you what, if Crosby gets in right now. I will be extremely pissed if Osgood doesn't get in.

Which really is better? An amazing short career, or a consistently strong long career?

You can look at that list of achievements and then say I'm high for thinking he gets in? Joe Niewendyk was just inducted to the HHOF remember. Who cares that it was 6 years? So if someone had played 15 years and had Crosby's resume, they'd get in no problem?

It's not about what's better, the long career or short tremendous career. But for the 6 years he's been in the NHL, Crosby has been consistently one of the league's elite players and racked up a lot of hardware.

Hopefully he'll start playing again and the discussion will be irrelevant, but Crosby's going in the HHOF even if he never steps on the ice again.

And for those rooting he never plays again, they should really think about what they're saying. If they're sick of hearing of him now, wait til they constantly hear about "what could have been" and "the greatest career cut short."

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I really hope he never plays again. I don't get any pleasure out of saying that, I just think that certain players hurt the game more than help it. Crosby fits into that because so many little ones look up to him and all he does is play extremely well skill wise and extremely poor ethic/gamesmanship/sportsmanship wise.

I am in the opinion that nothing is more important now than to be a good example to the kids on how to act gracefully in whatever they do.

I am awful sick of dealing with people who think it is okay to act the way Crosby and other superstars act.

what poor ethic, gamesmanship, sportsmanship?

My main knock about Crosby in that arena was I'd never heard him credit the other team's players in a loss. And the first couple seasons he did a fair amount of whining and diving. But all that seems to be improving and he's only 24. When asked what player he'd build a team around, he picked Zetterberg for chrissakes. And he's always been gracious about crediting his teammates.

So I don't see what's so disgraceful about how he conducts himself, especially compared to other star players like Henrik Sedin, Joe Thorton, and even Ovechkin.

Don't get me wrong he's definitely got some quality about him that makes it easy to hate him, screaming like a little girl when he scores. Being generally a goober or something, and mostly just because he's so friggin good, but there's no question he busts his ass out there.

I guess that's just a long way of saying that if we're talking about poor sportsmanship, there's plenty of guys I'd pick over Crosby, even if we're just limiting it to star players.

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I really hope he never plays again. I don't get any pleasure out of saying that, I just think that certain players hurt the game more than help it. Crosby fits into that because so many little ones look up to him and all he does is play extremely well skill wise and extremely poor ethic/gamesmanship/sportsmanship wise.

I am in the opinion that nothing is more important now than to be a good example to the kids on how to act gracefully in whatever they do.

I am awful sick of dealing with people who think it is okay to act the way Crosby and other superstars act.

Can you cite any specific examples of Crosby acting inappropriately? He certainly doesn't have the best character in the league, but he is far from the worst. Also, considering the hype he's lived with for 10+ years, I think he's adjusted relatively well.

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