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First off ummm Southeast Division???????????? Unless I'm reading a Map wrong Detroit is NORTH????? Secondly exactly why do we want the Wings to move East?? Yes it would probably mean more Eastern Conference teams for the Wings to play and for us fans to see but aren't the Wings doing fine in the West?? I mean Numerous Divisional Championship, 5 Conference (Playoff) Championships, Not sure how many President's Trophy Championships since being in the West and 4 Stanley Cup Championships?? What is the big incentive for the Wings to move East and why do so many Wings fans want to move east?? I'm just wondering, not trying to start anything but I guess I just need to be educated.

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First off ummm Southeast Division???????????? Unless I'm reading a Map wrong Detroit is NORTH????? Secondly exactly why do we want the Wings to move East?? Yes it would probably mean more Eastern Conference teams for the Wings to play and for us fans to see but aren't the Wings doing fine in the West?? I mean Numerous Divisional Championship, 5 Conference (Playoff) Championships, Not sure how many President's Trophy Championships since being in the West and 4 Stanley Cup Championships?? What is the big incentive for the Wings to move East and why do so many Wings fans want to move east?? I'm just wondering, not trying to start anything but I guess I just need to be educated.

It's because the Wings are in the eastern time zone. West coast games don't start until after the kids are in bed and don't end until after the teenagers get home. Loooooooooong time for mom and dad to be awake to watch hockey.

Plus the team would have to do a lot less traveling and not have to deal with time zone changes until the SCF.

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First off ummm Southeast Division???????????? Unless I'm reading a Map wrong Detroit is NORTH????? Secondly exactly why do we want the Wings to move East?? Yes it would probably mean more Eastern Conference teams for the Wings to play and for us fans to see but aren't the Wings doing fine in the West?? I mean Numerous Divisional Championship, 5 Conference (Playoff) Championships, Not sure how many President's Trophy Championships since being in the West and 4 Stanley Cup Championships?? What is the big incentive for the Wings to move East and why do so many Wings fans want to move east?? I'm just wondering, not trying to start anything but I guess I just need to be educated.

Fans want the Wings to move East because:

1. Game start times would all be in the Eastern time zone which means not having to stay up until 1am on week nights to watch the Wings play on the West coast. Obvioulsy the Wings would have some games out west under the current scheduling structure but the amount would be significantly cut down.

2. Moving east would cut down on the amount of travel the Wings would have to do which not only saves the Wings money but fans care about this because players will be less fatigued and beaten up. Every year when the Wings get back from their 5ish game West road trip and have a home game they get walloped. Think of the playoffs and constantly having to travel west and play out of their time zones.

Those are the two biggest for me.

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It doesn't make any sence to put them in the southeast, BUT, I'd love if they did....BEING THAT IM FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, I'd get to see them play more than "Maybe" once a year. Any move east would help with the schedule though.

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First off ummm Southeast Division???????????? Unless I'm reading a Map wrong Detroit is NORTH????? Secondly exactly why do we want the Wings to move East?? Yes it would probably mean more Eastern Conference teams for the Wings to play and for us fans to see but aren't the Wings doing fine in the West?? I mean Numerous Divisional Championship, 5 Conference (Playoff) Championships, Not sure how many President's Trophy Championships since being in the West and 4 Stanley Cup Championships?? What is the big incentive for the Wings to move East and why do so many Wings fans want to move east?? I'm just wondering, not trying to start anything but I guess I just need to be educated.

1. Easier schedule re: traveling

2. Easier schedule re: teams

3. Fewer west coast trips, meaning the fans don't have to stay up until the witching hour just to see who wins

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You know, this is starting to turn into a situation where I would actually be happy if Bettman turned out to be a liar & the Wings stayed in the Central. Come on Bettman, be the little weasel we all know you can be & get the BoGs to move Nashville to the SE!

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So what happened to league re-alignment? This is essentially a switching of two teams.

I for one have no problem with the move. That's a weak division traditionally and I want the Wings in the east. Yeah, it makes no geographical sense, but neither does having Washington in the southeast.

Besides, in a few years, Florida will most likely move from that division as well.

Washington in the southeast makes geographical sense from the perspective of "these are the 15 furthest east teams" x "these are the 5 furthest south teams"

Who would you suggest instead? Pittsburgh? Philadelphia? Any other team in the East is either further north or in the division.

As for the realignment; Detroit to the Northeast, Buffalo to the Atlantic, Pittsburgh to the Southeast. I'd use Boston instead of Buffalo but that cuts into the BOS/MTL rivalry.

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All Eastern time zone teams should just be in the EASTERN conference. How's that for logic? its probably too simple for Bettman and co. I know we have a huge draw in the West, but that shouldn't be reason to keep us in a conference we shouldve never been in to begin with. Heck, if it means going East, i'll take the southwest...as much as that doesn't make sense it's still better than this.

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Not ideal but if it's the only way the Wings can get to the East, I'm happy to take it... Plus being in a division with Ovechkin and Tampa would be great

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Just doesn't make sense, but a lot in this league doesn't

It doesn't make sense. But it makes about as much a sense as having a team in the Eastern time zone, play half their games in different times zones all across the continent. Between the two, Detroit in the Southeast makes more sense.

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I am torn on this possible move. As someone from North Central Ohio I love having what is essentially a Wings home game three times a year in Columbus which is approx 45 min from where I live, I also appreciate I am spoiled as I am only 3ish hours from JLA and actual home games but still its nice to go to a Wings game and only be out till 11ish at night. I guess the best answer is to make someone else move West and let the Wings red headed step sister CBJ come with us East.

Or as other posters have indicated just create two geographical blind conferences with geographical divisions so everyone is traveling to the coasts and so forth.

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Article on this on TSN.CA/NHL right now. I seriously got a headache reading the whole thing. Right in the beginning of the article it says something like every hockey fan thinks they have it figured out. So true.

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Original 6 division:

Wings

LEafs

BRuins

HAwks

Rangers

Habs

Canada division

Vancouver

Winnipeg

Calgary

Edmonton

Ottawa

Wild**

Expansion division:

Philly

Pitt

Blues

LA

Isles

Sabres

Gary Bettman Memorial division:

Panthers

Lightning

Predators

Coyotes

Hurricanes

Stars

Other division

Jackets

Avalanche

Ducks

Sharks

Caps

Devils

**or move phoenix or someone in the bettman memorial division to QC, put the ducks in the betman memorial division and move the wild into the other division

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It's because the Wings are in the eastern time zone. West coast games don't start until after the kids are in bed and don't end until after the teenagers get home. Loooooooooong time for mom and dad to be awake to watch hockey.

Plus the team would have to do a lot less traveling and not have to deal with time zone changes until the SCF.

Ok now I see why most of you would want the Wings to move East. I definetly understand the Time Zone Change and the Wings having to play so many late games. That would be great to not have to stay up till 12 or 1 in the Morning to see a full game when they start at 10. I definetly wouldn't mind seeing less Western and Western Canadian Road Trips. It would be great to see more Eastern Teams on the schedule. So I see what's so great about the Eastern move. Whatever happens I'll be happy with. I'm fine with how it is now but I wouldn't be upset to see the Wings move to the Eastern Conference. Thanks to everyone for the eye opener.

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I want the Wings east.... Badly. I know everyone is trying to say Nashville but that just adds to the time zone problems. Every game Nashville plays against a conference team would be out of their timezone. Everyone.

obviously geographically Detroit to the Atlantic or northeast makes more sense, but this could be a stopgap until they figure out what the hell Phoenix is doing. That's when a more permanent solution should be made.

Every one is saying it's a horrible division but they do have the Caps, Bolts (game 7 conf. Finals), hurricanes are becoming a better team with Skinner, Murphy. Dalpe, and Florida should be improving too. It is no worse the. Our division and it would be a lot of fun battling the Caps and Bolts for the division instead of Just Chicago and their "core".

Yes the travel won't be as easy as being in the Atlantic but heck it beats the hell out of traveling to Edmonton, Vancouver, Anahiem, San Jose, La,

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I am torn on this possible move. As someone from North Central Ohio I love having what is essentially a Wings home game three times a year in Columbus which is approx 45 min from where I live, I also appreciate I am spoiled as I am only 3ish hours from JLA and actual home games but still its nice to go to a Wings game and only be out till 11ish at night. I guess the best answer is to make someone else move West and let the Wings red headed step sister CBJ come with us East.

Or as other posters have indicated just create two geographical blind conferences with geographical divisions so everyone is traveling to the coasts and so forth.

NO! damn it, how do people who have 3 "home games" 45 mins from their house, and 3 hours to go to the JLA get to complain?

I have to drive 3 hours to go to FLA or TB, and i get 2 "home games" about every other year, and it takes me 40 hours to drive to Detroit.

With that said, get it done, bring the south good hockey, expand the sport!

Rename the division the Square division instead of Southeast so nobody complains.

Damn it Bettman, kill all the non-believers!!!!!

....i really want this.

A division of Car, TB, and FLA would almost ensure the Playoffs, hell, why do you think Ovechkin scores so much, he was playing these guys and ATL.

....plus, um, I heard that, uh, Washington, yea yea, that Washington said, we don't have the guts to go into their division, and then they called your mom a name.

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Well, Detroit is in the SE part of MI… :ph34r:

Yeah. And... It's located SE of, um, Edmonton... :P

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Yes to the Southeast if it gets our "foot in the door" of the eastern conference... BUT

I still say the best would be Detroit and Columbus move East and have a 14 and 16 team conference. Seems to work fine for MLB. Just like MLB the East could have three divisions with 5, 6, 5 teams and the West would have 5, 5, 4.

Wales Conference:

Atlantic Patrick: PIT - PHL - Rags - NJD - Iles

Northeast Howe: Detroit - TOR - MTL - BUF - OTT - BOS

Southeast Adams: CBJ - WAS - TPA - CAR - FLA

Campbell Conference:

Central Norris: NAS - CHI - STL - MIN - DAL

Northwest Smythe: VAN - CGY - EDM - WIN

Pacific Hull: ANA - LAK - SAN - COL - PHX

...I also like renaming the conferences back to the Wales/Campbell, it just sounds better... this would put 4 of the original six in one division and move Columbus (which is in the Eastern time zone and more southeast than Detroit) into the Southeast division. Ideally they rename the division to honor NHL history as well, bring back the Norris, Adams, Smythe, Patrick then have two more, maybe Howe and Hull?

Edit: To change the names of the Division's

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Well, that would TOTALLY fix the problem! Instead of having Winnipeg in the SE, which obviously makes no sense because of its northerly location, let's put Detroit in the SE - it's WAY closer to the southeastern United States than Winnipeg is!

I don't know why I'm wasting sarcasm on this because I really don't think this is going to happen. This just seems a little too illogical even for the NHL. For as many bonehead moves as they make, I still don't think they would waste their time on something so ineffectual. Whatever...not going to waste time trying to understand it until it happens.

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What's the point of switching conferences if they're going to put us in the Southeast? I thought the Wings wanted to switch to get a better travel schedule. Having to go to Florida, TB, and Carolina all the time isn't much of a difference.

However the players will like those road trips in January and February. :cool:

Just doesn't make sense, but a lot in this league doesn't

So true...

Blah I hope not. Just switch Nashville to the Southeast. Winnipeg to the Northwest and move Minnesota to the Central. Problem solved.

That's what I've been saying too! That makes the most sense to me, and it's the easiest.

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"New NHL Divisions for 2012-2013: Northeast -Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit. Atlantic - NYR, NYI, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh. Southeast - Florida, Carolina, Tampa, N.J., Washington. Central - St. Louis, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Columbus. Central-west (Northwest) - Colorado, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Phoenix, Dallas. Pacific - S.J., L.A., Canucks, Flames, Ducks. Detroit gets in the east over Columbus because bettman made a promise to Ilitich when he bought the team that they would get the first shot into the east if the chance ever came. Detroit has payed their dues way more than Columbus."

Posted from a comment from the TSN article. Makes the most sense to me. The only problem with this is trying to determine were the Yotes are going to end up IMHO.

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so far, there are 3 reasons to move the wings to the east that i have seen mentioned:

better for the fans

less travel

less time zone switching

to me, each of those reasons is pretty tertiary. i will explain why:

better for the fans? who cares! its a pretty minor inconvenience. 41 games are at home at whatever time the wings prefer. 10 more a year are already against the east. 10-20 more are in the central time zone which is a whole whopping hour behind. when you consider the wings start lots of home games at 730 eastern, and many teams start at 7pm central, its a whopping half hour difference for the start times. is it really that hard to adjust your tv watching schedule for a half hour later?

less travel. IMO, this holds the most water, but let me play devils advocate as to why its not really an issue. the hardest part of travel is getting on the bus, getting to the airport, getting to the plane, getting loaded, etc. the EASY part of travel is the actual flight. teams in the east still have to deal with the headaches of getting to the airport and all that. the only difference is flight time. let me throw some hypothetical numbers in there... so teams in the east still take an hour or two post game to get to the airport and get loaded. in the east, their flight may only take 30 minutes. they still have to get off the plane, get their crap and get to the hotel or to home depending on the situation. so lets add an hour. so for an east team, it still is going to take almost 4 hours to get home. for a team in the west, they still get 1-2 hours to get to the plane, however their flight is 90 minutes, and then an hour to get home. so instead of 4 hours of travel time, its 5. and once again, the time on the plane is when you can relax, decompress, nap, etc. also, a lot of teams in the east bus around at times. that negates the time gain. is an hour on a bus really better than an hour on a plane?

less time zone changes. this really falls in with the first one for me. sure detroit is in the eastern time zone. but is 1 hour difference really all that much? as i mentioned, teams vary between the on the hour start and the on the half hour start, so that adds to just as much variety. even in the east, there would still probably be 1 west coast trip a year to catch whichever division was on the rotation that year. right now they play about 50 games in the eastern time zone; switching to the east would change that to what? 70? and most of those gains would just be 1 hour difference.

i guess to me i just dont see all the whining about how awful the west is. sorry for being long winded though. at least we arent dallas who has no division rivals within hundreds of miles...

i would think its best for the nhl to be in the west. it leaves 2 original 6 teams in the conference instead of orphaning chicago. it allows the det-chi rivalry to build as both teams are good for the first time in decades. it allows the west to be stronger because of the wings success. it allows western teams to draw better when the wings come to town. i just think there are more quality reasons to stay than to go.

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What's the point of switching conferences if they're going to put us in the Southeast? I thought the Wings wanted to switch to get a better travel schedule. Having to go to Florida, TB, and Carolina all the time isn't much of a difference.

In the playoffs when its like the last 2 years, Phoenix (1645m) and SJ (2031m), thats a long way.

The farthest team in the East is FLA (1133m) and 2nd is TB (972m).

Say Detroit sweeps every series.

They still have to fly there and back once.

7352 combined miles.

vs.

4210 combined miles.

You are right the alignment is weird.

It's just as weird with Winnipeg playing these teams. 1870m from WIN to FLA.

Way harder on them then the switch would be to us.

In summary:

Less playoff travel time.

Earlier game start times.

Less jetlag. Virtually none in the playoffs.

They don't have to keep it like this they can change it if they want, but do it for a few decades and see if it works out. :P

EDIT:

The Wings and Mike Ilitch want to move into the East, there is obviously a reason for that.

If this isn't the deal they want they can vote no.

Maybe this is a way to get the foot in the door, before NYI become Las Vegas and Detroit can slide into the Atlantic division.

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What's the point of switching conferences if they're going to put us in the Southeast? I thought the Wings wanted to switch to get a better travel schedule. Having to go to Florida, TB, and Carolina all the time isn't much of a difference.

I think a lot of it has to do with the Time zone difference. We will be staying within our Timezone and players don't have to adjust.

Imagine playing the 7 game Series last year in San Jose. Game 5 your in the Pacific time zone, Game 6 back in the eastern time zone, game 7 back to the Pacific. I much rather that with Tampa where everything is Eastern Time zone.

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