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Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

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The wings need a shake up for sure and not just adding Tootoo to replace someone like Emmerton or Miller. This core has become stale. I wouldnt be against this trade at all really depending on who the prospect is. If its not a top one like a Nyquist, Smith, Jarnkrok and more a long the lines of Pulkkinen/Tatar level then it isnt that bad.

The ducks do however want a second line center for Ryan, so Filppula is a solid starting piece, plus I'm sure Murray knows how well him and Selanne get along. The ducks also dont really want young defensemen because they have Fowler, Sbisa etc already playing so Smith wouldnt have to be given up. Ryans also a righty and younger. I think the wings are in place to make a move for Ryan and potentially get him if they want a forward.

I still think a Yandle/Enstrom trade is in the works however.

Overall, I think that Ryan is a better fit for what the wings have to offer, but wouldnt be pissed with Nash either because he is still a young star type of player. But with names actually getting out, the wings must be working the trade scene hard because rumours never come out for the wings

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Well it looks like drafting is the way to go now, and I'm ok with that. Let other teams over pay for FA's and sell the farm in trades.

Be prepared for a bit of a decline as our top prospects continue to get NHL ready, and we stock up on draft picks.

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(oops, I quoted myself by accident when I was trying to edit my post, haha.)

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HockeyyInsiderr on Twitter just said the wings offered Filppula +Nyquist+ 2013 1st rounder. Say what you want about him, but he is gradually proving himself to be a reliable source.

I'd rather keep that package than have Nash.

just my opinion, but Flip just had a career year and Gus has all the makings of a star. and next years 1st rounder could be a reasonably high pick and could snag a really good player. I will be disappointed if the Wings gave up Flip and Nyquist. Would rather see Franzen, Tatar, Andersson, even Sheahan or Pulkkinen go the other way. I'd even part with Jarnkrok. We'll see i guess....

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why does kenny like mule so much when he floats most games? fil bust his ass every game. nyquist could have more potential than nash. he could be the next datsyuk. hope that wasnt the truth

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If a 1st rounder were to be included along with Franzen/Filppula/Nyquist - then I'd say no thanks - too steep.

For all we know Nash may never hit 80 pts again, and Nyquist could be a 60 plus pts a season if given the ice time, and playing alongside either Dats, or Hank.

A deal with the Ducks for Ryan is more realistic; they'd want Filppula, and a 1st round pick...That seems reasonable.

If you know the Ducks GM, then have him give Holland a call. I bet he would make that deal. I bet the Ducks are asking for more than that. Probably Flip, Franzen, and a first rounder, to which I say no to. I don't see the need to give up 100 points to get a 60 point guy.

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You crazy.

Care to back it up with stats and solid analysis or pointless trolling comments?

Since you can't, here we go.

Nyquist, Flip, and a first rounder are too good to give up for Nash because of the potential. Flip has a great season. Nyquist is just now coming into his own and he was a leader in scoring in the minors. He will get 2nd line minutes probably this season, if not 3rd. Plus a first rounder in 2013, which has a great draft class coming up. I have to agree, its too steep of a price to pay for a winger.

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Care to back it up with stats and solid analysis or pointless trolling comments?

Since you can't, here we go.

Nyquist, Flip, and a first rounder are too good to give up for Nash because of the potential. Flip has a great season. Nyquist is just now coming into his own and he was a leader in scoring in the minors. He will get 2nd line minutes probably this season, if not 3rd. Plus a first rounder in 2013, which has a great draft class coming up. I have to agree, its too steep of a price to pay for a winger.

Exactly. And i'm not one of the guys buying into Howson's garbage that Nash is worth selling the farm for...really, 2 roster players, 2 prospects and a 1st rounder....REALLY HOWSON???

Just cause Howson thinks he's worth that much, doesn't make it so.

He's not even worth Flip, Gus and a 1st. IF, and that's a big IF Flip is in the package, then it's him + Tatar (max) and a 2nd, not a 1st. People need to stop discounting the guys we have that are good just cause someone's dangling a piece of candy in front of your face and you're salivating cause we lost so much this summer and no matter what Kenny does, you won't think we gained jack cause Lids retired.

So it was Flip+Nyquist+1st after all.That really sounds like a "helluva" offer :)

If that actually was the offer and as far as we've seen there's no reliable source, then Howson is in fact the biggest idiot in the NHL. No wonder the jackets suck every year. While Kenny's at it, why not offer all our picks for their 1st?

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Care to back it up with stats and solid analysis or pointless trolling comments?

Since you can't, here we go.

Nyquist, Flip, and a first rounder are too good to give up for Nash because of the potential. Flip has a great season. Nyquist is just now coming into his own and he was a leader in scoring in the minors. He will get 2nd line minutes probably this season, if not 3rd. Plus a first rounder in 2013, which has a great draft class coming up. I have to agree, its too steep of a price to pay for a winger.

That's neither statistics nor analysis, it's simply your opinion. For what it's worth, I'd rather have Ryan but whatevs.

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That's neither statistics nor analysis, it's simply your opinion. For what it's worth, I'd rather have Ryan but whatevs.

esteef

With the savings in cap hit between Nash and Ryan, you can fund Larry Murphy's hot dog eating for 3 seasons.

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That's neither statistics nor analysis, it's simply your opinion. For what it's worth, I'd rather have Ryan but whatevs.

esteef

Its better than "You crazy" :D

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If that actually was the offer and as far as we've seen there's no reliable source, then Howson is in fact the biggest idiot in the NHL. No wonder the jackets suck every year. While Kenny's at it, why not offer all our picks for their 1st?

Actually think the offer is really good both ways.We get top 6 power forward,Howson gets what he wants,2 forwards ready to play and a pick.

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Howson is nuts. If the Wings rumored offer didn't get it done, and the Sharks and Rangers offers couldn't do it, then Nash isn't leaving. The Jackets will be a forgotten, joke of a franchise forever until they figure it out.

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Actually think the offer is really good both ways.We get top 6 power forward,Howson gets what he wants,2 forwards ready to play and a pick.

Except we replace 2 60 point players and a first round pick for one 60 point player.

And we still have a need for defense.

Rick Nash has never lived up to his 7.8 million contract.

Don't give me Columbus.

Kristian Huselius (LW) - 63 points in 74 games (43 assists)

Antoine Vermette © - 65 points in 82 games (38 assists, 54.2% FO%)

Nash (RW) had 67 points in 76 games. Huselius had one more power play point than the great Nash, and Vermette had 10 mroe even strength points than him.

Nash should make others better, and he has yet to do that. We need a defenseman much more than we need an overrated 30 goal scorer that would cost us more than we would end up with.

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why does kenny like mule so much when he floats most games? fil bust his ass every game. nyquist could have more potential than nash. he could be the next datsyuk. hope that wasnt the truth

Maybe his contract is tough to trade away?

As for the offer, first off Columbus won't trade with the Wings, and second, I'd bet Columbus would want a power forward in return. If I was Columbus, I'd rather have Nash. Nothing against Filp and Nyquist, but those two won't sell tickets, Nash or another power forward would... Also, if Filp and Nyquist got traded to Columbus, I'd feel bad for them.

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Except we replace 2 60 point players and a first round pick for one 60 point player.

Yeah,except we have replacements for both Filppula and Nyquist in Jarnkrok,Tatar,Jurco...not sure about prospect with Nash's potential

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Except we replace 2 60 point players and a first round pick for one 60 point player.

And we still have a need for defense.

Rick Nash has never lived up to his 7.8 million contract.

Don't give me Columbus.

Kristian Huselius (LW) - 63 points in 74 games (43 assists)

Antoine Vermette © - 65 points in 82 games (38 assists, 54.2% FO%)

Nash (RW) had 67 points in 76 games. Huselius had one more power play point than the great Nash, and Vermette had 10 mroe even strength points than him.

Nash should make others better, and he has yet to do that. We need a defenseman much more than we need an overrated 30 goal scorer that would cost us more than we would end up with.

You really have to watch Nash play more often. With Datsyuk as his center, he would score between 50 & 60 goals, no doubt about it. Hell, even Stamkos would have trouble scoring goals in Columbus.

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You really have to watch Nash play more often. With Datsyuk as his center, he would score between 50 & 60 goals, no doubt about it. Hell, even Stamkos would have trouble scoring goals in Columbus.

Sorry, I like Nash, but he is not worth his contract. We need to use our assets for defense, I just fail to see how the Wings improve. We lose scoring depth, we lose assets, and we get a player that's never proved to score more than 80 points.

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Yeah,except we have replacements for both Filppula and Nyquist in Jarnkrok,Tatar,Jurco...not sure about prospect with Nash's potential

Nyquist is much better than Tatar, hence he's had more NHL games and outscored Tatar in less games in GR. Jarnkrok is gonna be really good, but needs to add weight and isn't quite as good as Gus. Jurco did jack in the memorial cup and has been trapped behind Huberdeau and Coyle on the Sea Dogs. As much as i like the other 3 guys, they don't have the potential that Nyquist has. Trading him is a very stupid idea.

Another thing no one mentions is that CBJ has a crap system and they miss the playoffs annually cause of it. Nash comes to Detroit and has to play defence too and his point production probably won't get much better cause as you can see in Columbus, he doesn't waste much energy playing D.

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