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Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

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IF Gryba got 2 games for a clearly clean hit that didn't hit the head, Abdelkader is going to get at least 2 for what was clearly a high hit.

The other key is Abdelkader left his feet. That's almost an automatic suspension now.

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Probably gets one game, but it's a joke that this gets 5 and a game. Abby got checked head first into the boards last game, on a blatant cheap shot for 2 mins. The inconsistencies in reffing is going to be what does this league in. People say the NBA is bad, but atleast they know how they are calling their games. With the NHL it's really a crapshoot on how the game will be called.

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To me the principle point of contact seems shoulder to shoulder and I think his left skate is still on the ice when contact is made. (His right skate might be as well but its behind a Duck player at the moment in question.

If Lydman is hurt I'd expect a fine, but I don't think this is worth even the 5 minute major.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpBIFsbcy6Q

This video shows the reverse angle at around 57 seconds. It shows principal point of contact was the head.

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That other angle makes me feel even more confident that his left skate was still on the ice, and that the hit was shoulder to shoulder first then to the head. Lydman being hurt is the only reason that received a penalty at all.

The comparisons to the Gryba hit aren't valid anyways since the only reason Gryba got suspended at all was because of the damage done to Eller and the visual of him laying out on the ice in a pool of blood.

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Probably gets 2 games. Unfortunate play...really killed the game for the Wings.

I just wish it had been Getzlaf, Perry, or Beauchef***

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Because big hits are worth permanently injuring someone in a way that has been statistically shown to shorten athletes lives. I love seeing big hits Jolly, but come on, any hits, on purpose or accident to the head should NOT be part of ANY sport. While I would argue that the hit by Abby wasn't dirty insofar as there was 0 intent to go after the head, there was still head contact. Even RUGBY a game that you are ENCOURAGED to clock people, if you hit someone in the HEAD you are punished.

Well, boxing is a sport whole point of which is hitting the other guy in the head.

But as far as hockey goes I do agree. Stay away from the head. And if you have to jump to make a hit maybe you should not make that hit.

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That other angle makes me feel even more confident that his left skate was still on the ice, and that the hit was shoulder to shoulder first then to the head. Lydman being hurt is the only reason that received a penalty at all.

The comparisons to the Gryba hit aren't valid anyways since the only reason Gryba got suspended at all was because of the damage done to Eller and the visual of him laying out on the ice in a pool of blood.

Then you're blind. He clearly hits the head first in all angles, and even if he leaves his feet after initial contact, you're still not allowed to leave your feet on purpose to make a hit worse. By the way his body was during that hit, it appears that he left his feet in a controlled manor. The only way you don't see it for what it is is if you're a homer. And I am 100% if this were Perry on Datsyuk, you'd be crying for blood.

And the point remains, if Abdelkader kept himself on his feet, and his shoulder down, this would have been a big CLEAN hit, no penalty, no misconduct, no possible suspension. Just another case of Abdelkader being an idiot and making the worst possible play and costing the Wings a playoff game, just like 2009, 2010, and 2011.

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NAD timing for Abdelkader. I just don't understand why Pavel's hits are always flawless and the most devastating, while our other players (Kronwall & Abdelkader) can't ever just deliver a good body check. Watch the beginning of Datsyuks goal against Nashville this year. He starts by knocking a guy on his ass. No elbows, no flying arms, no leaving his skates. Just good technique.

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NAD timing for Abdelkader. I just don't understand why Pavel's hits are always flawless and the most devastating, while our other players (Kronwall & Abdelkader) can't ever just deliver a good body check. Watch the beginning of Datsyuks goal against Nashville this year. He starts by knocking a guy on his ass. No elbows, no flying arms, no leaving his skates. Just good technique.

Same here. Why do they try to move up rather then just drive through the guy while staying level?

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Then you're blind. He clearly hits the head first in all angles, and even if he leaves his feet after initial contact, you're still not allowed to leave your feet on purpose to make a hit worse. By the way his body was during that hit, it appears that he left his feet in a controlled manor. The only way you don't see it for what it is is if you're a homer. And I am 100% if this were Perry on Datsyuk, you'd be crying for blood.

And the point remains, if Abdelkader kept himself on his feet, and his shoulder down, this would have been a big CLEAN hit, no penalty, no misconduct, no possible suspension. Just another case of Abdelkader being an idiot and making the worst possible play and costing the Wings a playoff game, just like 2009, 2010, and 2011.

I love how people are being called homers for seeing it differently than others :rolleyes:

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NAD timing for Abdelkader. I just don't understand why Pavel's hits are always flawless and the most devastating, while our other players (Kronwall & Abdelkader) can't ever just deliver a good body check. Watch the beginning of Datsyuks goal against Nashville this year. He starts by knocking a guy on his ass. No elbows, no flying arms, no leaving his skates. Just good technique.

that's because Datsyuk is on a whole other level as a hockey player.

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Because big hits are worth permanently injuring someone in a way that has been statistically shown to shorten athletes lives. I love seeing big hits Jolly, but come on, any hits, on purpose or accident to the head should NOT be part of ANY sport. While I would argue that the hit by Abby wasn't dirty insofar as there was 0 intent to go after the head, there was still head contact. Even RUGBY a game that you are ENCOURAGED to clock people, if you hit someone in the HEAD you are punished.

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Point of contact was Lydman's head, he left his feet to make the hit. This wasn't a clean hit.

There was one other angle that was played on FSD that, to me, showed him going shoulder to shoulder first. Unfortunately all the clips on youtube that i've seen have been from NBC and didn't have that angle. If anyone should find it they should post it.

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Re: the clip Axe posted: I love Nik Kronwall more than ever. And Hank. And I agree with them, that the hit wasn't even called for penalty until Lyman just laid there for a while. Guess this will be up to the politics of the game as it's played now.

I wear homer glasses most of the time with the Wings, but wonder if this had been Perry on one of our guys, if he wouldn't have just gotten 2 minutes, and done.

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Then you're blind. He clearly hits the head first in all angles, and even if he leaves his feet after initial contact, you're still not allowed to leave your feet on purpose to make a hit worse. By the way his body was during that hit, it appears that he left his feet in a controlled manor. The only way you don't see it for what it is is if you're a homer. And I am 100% if this were Perry on Datsyuk, you'd be crying for blood.

And the point remains, if Abdelkader kept himself on his feet, and his shoulder down, this would have been a big CLEAN hit, no penalty, no misconduct, no possible suspension. Just another case of Abdelkader being an idiot and making the worst possible play and costing the Wings a playoff game, just like 2009, 2010, and 2011.

Actually, leaving your feet after initial contact is completely legal and the main reason Kronwall has never been diciplined for his hits. Personal attacks aside if this situation were reversed and Datsyuk or any other wing was injured on the play I'd be defending the hit just the same. Its a contact sport and all contact to the head is not illegal or avoidable.

What is illegal is jumping INTO a hit, which we seem to disagree on in this instance. I don't think Abby left his feet prior to contacting Lydman, and I don't think the head was the principle point of contact. The head was contacted certainly but only after the shoulder to shoulder impact and as a result of the upward momentum of the hit.

The only thing I don't like about the hit is because it's from the blindside, but by the letter of the NHL rules this isn't worthy of a suspension. That being said neither was Gryba's hit and he got 2 games so who knows what happens to Abby.

It all depends on how badly Lydman is hurt.

NAD timing for Abdelkader. I just don't understand why Pavel's hits are always flawless and the most devastating, while our other players (Kronwall & Abdelkader) can't ever just deliver a good body check. Watch the beginning of Datsyuks goal against Nashville this year. He starts by knocking a guy on his ass. No elbows, no flying arms, no leaving his skates. Just good technique.

Datsyuk's hits have the element of surprise as nobody expects him to hit them. Also until this hit from Abdelkader neither he or Kronwall have ever even had a suspension or even a hearing from my recollection.

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Actually, leaving your feet after initial contact is completely legal and the main reason Kronwall has never been diciplined for his hits. Personal attacks aside if this situation were reversed and Datsyuk or any other wing was injured on the play I'd be defending the hit just the same. Its a contact sport and all contact to the head is not illegal or avoidable.

What is illegal is jumping INTO a hit, which we seem to disagree on in this instance. I don't think Abby left his feet prior to contacting Lydman, and I don't think the head was the principle point of contact. The head was contacted certainly but only after the shoulder to shoulder impact and as a result of the upward momentum of the hit.

The only thing I don't like about the hit is because it's from the blindside, but by the letter of the NHL rules this isn't worthy of a suspension. That being said neither was Gryba's hit and he got 2 games so who knows what happens to Abby.

It all depends on how badly Lydman is hurt.

It will certainly be interesting if he's just fine on Monday and is in the line up.

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It will certainly be interesting if he's just fine on Monday and is in the line up.

This will not surprise me at all.

If I were Babs, I would sit Abby for the series regardless of what the decision is from Shanny. Putting Abby back out there would just give Anaheim a righteous "reason" to take out Jimmy or Pasha... like, "the Wings DESERVED this!" Tell me this couldn't happen with tools like Perry leading the pack?

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Actually, leaving your feet after initial contact is completely legal and the main reason Kronwall has never been diciplined for his hits. Personal attacks aside if this situation were reversed and Datsyuk or any other wing was injured on the play I'd be defending the hit just the same. Its a contact sport and all contact to the head is not illegal or avoidable.

What is illegal is jumping INTO a hit, which we seem to disagree on in this instance. I don't think Abby left his feet prior to contacting Lydman, and I don't think the head was the principle point of contact. The head was contacted certainly but only after the shoulder to shoulder impact and as a result of the upward momentum of the hit.

The only thing I don't like about the hit is because it's from the blindside, but by the letter of the NHL rules this isn't worthy of a suspension. That being said neither was Gryba's hit and he got 2 games so who knows what happens to Abby.

It all depends on how badly Lydman is hurt.

Datsyuk's hits have the element of surprise as nobody expects him to hit them. Also until this hit from Abdelkader neither he or Kronwall have ever even had a suspension or even a hearing from my recollection.

Actually its not, if its decided that the person left their feet on their own, not as part of the momentum of the hit itself, its a charge. From all the angles I have seen it appears that Abdelkader left his feet on his own in order to make the hit harder, which has been called by the NHL a charge in the past. Also, the angles I have seen show that the head was hit, if not first in isolation, it was still hit first along with Lydman's shoulder. The point is, had Abdelkader STAYED on his feet and not left them, this would have been a 100% legal hit, shoulder to shoulder, and there would have been no 5 mins penalty,and no discussion of suspension, but, this is par for the course for Abdelkader, he takes stupid penalties in the playoffs.

As for Kronwall, I thought he was ejected in 2009 for a high hit.

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This will not surprise me at all.

If I were Babs, I would sit Abby for the series regardless of what the decision is from Shanny. Putting Abby back out there would just give Anaheim a righteous "reason" to take out Jimmy or Pasha... like, "the Wings DESERVED this!" Tell me this couldn't happen with tools like Perry leading the pack?

But as Babcock said in his interview there isn't anybody available to adequately replace Abby. The Wings are not head and shoulders above the Ducks to be able to afford something like that.

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But as Babcock said in his interview there isn't anybody available to adequately replace Abby. The Wings are not head and shoulders above the Ducks to be able to afford something like that.

Probably right. It goes without saying that Helm is the bigger loss, and nothing to be done about that. I do believe Anaheim is low-class enough to use this as an excuse to hurt a Red Wing. Hope i am wrong, needless to say.

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You guys need to watch the entire replay and not just a clip. There was no "charging" Abby was gliding into the hit, the principle point of contact was elbow to shoulder and the momentum of the hit followed thru to the head... again, head was not principle point of contact. Abby left his feet with the hit, much like Kronwall did 100% of the time (when he used to hit) and 95% of his hits are deemed clean. For those of you who think there wasn't a call on the ice, watch the video, when the camera follows the play down the ice, the ref in the Ducks zone, WAY in the ducks zone, has his arm up with the call. The guy 2 feet away watched the entire play transpire and watched Lydman fall to the ice and never had ANY intent of calling a penalty, because it was not a penalty, was not a charge, was not a principle hit to the head where the head is targeted...

I said it in the GDT, if this hit gets a suspension the there is something seriously wrong with the NHL. He already served enough unwarranted penalty time. 5:00 and a game is suspension enough for a completely LEGAL hit and blown call by the ref 200 feet away. Also like I said, if you are looking for a play that has more intent on injuring someone you have to look at the Souray hit on Abby in game two and even Perry's careless use of his skate in game one. Those two plays there were way more severe when it comes to careless hits and intent to injury than Abby's hit last night...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpBIFsbcy6Q

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Actually its not, if its decided that the person left their feet on their own, not as part of the momentum of the hit itself, its a charge. From all the angles I have seen it appears that Abdelkader left his feet on his own in order to make the hit harder, which has been called by the NHL a charge in the past. Also, the angles I have seen show that the head was hit, if not first in isolation, it was still hit first along with Lydman's shoulder. The point is, had Abdelkader STAYED on his feet and not left them, this would have been a 100% legal hit, shoulder to shoulder, and there would have been no 5 mins penalty,and no discussion of suspension, but, this is par for the course for Abdelkader, he takes stupid penalties in the playoffs.

As for Kronwall, I thought he was ejected in 2009 for a high hit.

I do not know what angles you are watching....Abby left his feet with the hit, elbow hit the shoulder first, then head. Not a penalty. Not a charge.

BTW, Kronwall's hit in Chicago was deemed a penalty because it was said Havlat didn't play the puck and the ensuing hit resulted in injury. Yet every replay shows Havlat play the puck with his foot and even the hit wasn't illegal. Another blown call from the refs as proven by the fact that Kronwall suffered no further discipline for the hit.

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