Brunner Contract Talks

[Guest The Axe]

I agree for the right price he should be here, I am not advocating him being over layed, I am just saying there are players more expendable than he is, which to me doesn't quite make him expendable, although we will be alright without him but he does add some extra goal scoring depth. Also I love fedorov. I will defend him till the day I die, so what if he wanted more money and went where someone was willing to pay him, that's the nhl

We're good, brother. Same page. For the record, I like Brunner and want him back. But only if he wants to be here.

Sorry, Fellas. I gst a little pissed when UNdeserving players turn down an offer to play for the Wings. It really sours me, as I would give up a ******** to play one game with Detroit.

[Z and D for the C 712]

It really sours me, as I would give up a ******** to play one game with Detroit.

Yes, I'm sure you and Brunner are in the exact same position and so he should give up anything you would just to play for Detroit.

[Serratoni 49]

Yzerman could barely get this team into the Playoffs for years until Fedorov (and Lidstrom) became Red Wings. I'm in the even smaller camp of "2009 Hossa apologists", so I guess the pattern with me is that if you play hard as a Red Wing and aren't a total jerk about how you left, I don't carry the hate.

You're conveniently overlooking the two consecutive seasons ('87 & '88) in which the Wings played Edmonton in the Campbell (Western) Conference Finals.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

It really sours me, as I would give up a ******** to play one game with Detroit.

Yes, I'm sure you and Brunner are in the exact same position and so he should give up anything you would just to play for Detroit.

Every pro should pay in order to play for Detroit. I mean after all they don't have girlfriends, wives or families to support. It's not like being a pro is a full time job ...

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

Every pro should pay in order to play for Detroit. I mean after all they don't have girlfriends, wives or families to support. It's not like being a pro is a full time job ...

I agree they should do what they feel most obligated to (family ties, money, city, favourite team etc...) but to say they won't be able to support their family on 2.5 million dollars a year is a bit far fetched my friend. Most people support families on 70 grand or less a year, I think he could scrape by with a few million, don't you?

[Guest Playmaker]

We're good, brother. Same page. For the record, I like Brunner and want him back. But only if he wants to be here.

Sorry, Fellas. I gst a little pissed when UNdeserving players turn down an offer to play for the Wings. It really sours me, as I would give up a ******** to play one game with Detroit.

Brunner has to do what's best for his career and his family. I know most of us like to believe that the Red Wings are the only worthy franchise in the league, but there are other good organizations who will likely give him more playing time, etc. He's not 21, he's a 27 year old rookie. The window to make a decent living for these guys is small. I mean seriously, if someone called you up and said, hey I'll triple your salary, give you a bigger role in the company and you'll get much better exposure than you would at your old company. Would anyone here turn that down? Doubt it. But if you did take it, people making minimum wage would be calling you a greedy *******. It's all perspective.

[dropkickshanahans 463]

I like Brunner and it's going to be tough seeing him go somewhere else, but he has to do what's right for him financially at his age. With that said, Tatar will be a better replacement anyway imo. eh's a pretty cool guy, more gritty, goes to the net and doesn't afraid of anything. But seriously, i think we'll see more consistency out of Tatar and the third line will probably be better because of him.

[Rivalred 630]

Please sign somewhere so the broken record stops

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

Brunner has to do what's best for his career and his family. I know most of us like to believe that the Red Wings are the only worthy franchise in the league, but there are other good organizations who will likely give him more playing time, etc. He's not 21, he's a 27 year old rookie. The window to make a decent living for these guys is small. I mean seriously, if someone called you up and said, hey I'll triple your salary, give you a bigger role in the company and you'll get much better exposure than you would at your old company. Would anyone here turn that down? Doubt it. But if you did take it, people making minimum wage would be calling you a greedy *******. It's all perspective.

this would be all well and good but don't you think if this was remotely trued he would of signed already? His agent screwed him making him think he was worth anywhere near 4mil a season. there is no one thats going to pay him that kind of money for a half of an nhl season that could very well of been a fluke like brunnstrom hence the reason i bet he hasn't been signed already.

[Guest The Axe]

Im not saying Brunner has to accept. Im saying that the Wings have replaced him with an upgrade and moved on. So no Detroit employee or fan has to be upset woth him being let go. Bye.

[55fan 5,133]

I'd give a ******** to play for Detroit too. I just haven't decided whose.

I hate the waiting game.

[Spongewingredpants 75]

Brunners agent screwed him. Inexperience by a rookie listening to his agent too much.

Its a real pity, now he is possibly going to play for a crap team. If they are smart, they will make a short contract and Brunner busts his balls to get a better contract with another team in two years (hopefully the Wings)

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I agree they should do what they feel most obligated to (family ties, money, city, favourite team etc...) but to say they won't be able to support their family on 2.5 million dollars a year is a bit far fetched my friend. Most people support families on 70 grand or less a year, I think he could scrape by with a few million, don't you?

Sure it is easier when it comes to millionaires but I just don't understand why Brunner should sign for undermarket-value? I know nobody wants to admit it, but the RedWings are behind the pack team, in a salary cap wolrd AND can't hand out creative contracts + 50 players limit --->handcuffed.

From Brunners pov, he has played here a few months and thats about it. He doesn't owe the Wings anything. Yes, he has chemistry with Zetterberg, the best ownership in the league but he can make more money elsewhere. As a 27 old rookie the time to make a big splash in the NHL is ticking for him, he knows that and I guess thiat's playing a huge part in his decision. He is not worth 4 m per right now no question but something around 3 - 3,5 is more realistic and to be honest should have been offered by the Wings.

However this story is paying out, I am will not hold it against him if he decides to sign elsewhere for more money or a longer terms, he doesn't owe the Wings and vise versa. I could see him joining the Senators and become Spezza s winger. The real surprise here is Nashville, they need scoring the guy is a pure goalsacorer and yet not even rumours about them trying to get him.

[NAVYWING 2]

Sure it is easier when it comes to millionaires but I just don't understand why Brunner should sign for undermarket-value? I know nobody wants to admit it, but the RedWings are behind the pack team, in a salary cap wolrd AND can't hand out creative contracts + 50 players limit --->handcuffed.

From Brunners pov, he has played here a few months and thats about it. He doesn't owe the Wings anything. Yes, he has chemistry with Zetterberg, the best ownership in the league but he can make more money elsewhere. As a 27 old rookie the time to make a big splash in the NHL is ticking for him, he knows that and I guess thiat's playing a huge part in his decision. He is not worth 4 m per right now no question but something around 3 - 3,5 is more realistic and to be honest should have been offered by the Wings.

However this story is paying out, I am will not hold it against him if he decides to sign elsewhere for more money or a longer terms, he doesn't owe the Wings and vise versa. I could see him joining the Senators and become Spezza s winger. The real surprise here is Nashville, they need scoring the guy is a pure goalsacorer and yet not even rumours about them trying to get him.

I agree. I would love to see him return, and feel that Holland should have thrown a more convincing offer at him vice grab Alfie... or at least buy out Bert and put that money towards Brunner. Just my opinion. He owes the Wings nothing, and performed well. I feel Holland may have taken his positive attitude for granted, and it was a gamble that could have been avoided. The fact of the matter is, we are not privilaged enough to know truly how Brunner, his agent and Holland dealt with each other, and can only speculate. Fair winds and following seas to Brunner. He will be a force for whomever he plays for.

[Guest RedWingsDad]

All the "we gave Sammy X and wont give Brunner X" comments aside... I don't think Brunner is worth 3.5 million at this point. Holland is not in the business of gambling. He probably wanted to give Brunner 2 years @ 2.5-3.0... and Brunner wouldn't bite. If my numbers are ball park true... I don't see that it's anything to get upset over and disparage Holland about.

Edited July 9, 2013 by RedWingsDad

[Andy Pred 48 337]

so will Brunner come back with his tail between his legs if no offers are forthcoming? I can understand his situation, but maybe he could have signed a 1 year deal with Detroit at say $3m. Then if at the end of next season he has 70+pts in the bag then he would have more irons in the fire to work a better deal with Kenny.

I hope he doesn't do a Leino and fade away thou as he has some real talent to give the NHL, pity it wont be at the Joe, but it opens the door for someone else I guess.

[VM1138 1,921]

I don't think it's up to Brunner anymore. We have no room. Babcock likes balanced lines, so you're looking at a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader line (skill and two workhorses), a Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson line (skill and some grit), a speed line in Tatar-Helm-Nyquist (with Tatar replacing Brunner), and a somewhat discombobulated fourth line made up of three of Eaves, Miller, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Tootoo and Samuelsson.

I like Brunner, and am bummed to seem him go, but isn't Tatar basically the same player? He really took some strides and I think Holland and Babcock have faith in him and like his style. It might take him a year or so to really get going, but he impressed all of us so far and fills a similar role to Brunner.

If we bring Brunner in, either Tatar gets demoted to the fourth, further complicating things, or Brunner goes to the fourth which just won't work.

[Jericho613 74]

I like Brunner, and it sucks he won't be a Wing, but what if it turns out to be a really good thing, I mean the guy is talented but like many say, what if he's another Leino. He showed alot of signs of being a soft euro as many would call it. It won't be a total loss though provided we have Gus, Ands, and Tats in the lineup. Sammy is such a burden, lol but thats on Holland. I like Holland I think hes the best in the business, but signing Sammy was one of the dumbest decisions hes ever made and it might (probably will) prevent Gus and Ands from playing.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I don't think it's up to Brunner anymore. We have no room. Babcock likes balanced lines, so you're looking at a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader line (skill and two workhorses), a Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson line (skill and some grit), a speed line in Tatar-Helm-Nyquist (with Tatar replacing Brunner), and a somewhat discombobulated fourth line made up of three of Eaves, Miller, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Tootoo and Samuelsson.

I like Brunner, and am bummed to seem him go, but isn't Tatar basically the same player? He really took some strides and I think Holland and Babcock have faith in him and like his style. It might take him a year or so to really get going, but he impressed all of us so far and fills a similar role to Brunner.

If we bring Brunner in, either Tatar gets demoted to the fourth, further complicating things, or Brunner goes to the fourth which just won't work.

I'd add Andersson into that mix. I really think he'll be on the team. I think there's even a chance that the team may try to protect Helm a bit, at least at the start of the season, and use him on the 4th line and Andersson on the 3rd.

[VM1138 1,921]

I'd add Andersson into that mix. I really think he'll be on the team. I think there's even a chance that the team may try to protect Helm a bit, at least at the start of the season, and use him on the 4th line and Andersson on the 3rd.

You're right. I just forgot to put him in the list. I also forgot Emmerton. Man, we've really got some extra forwards, don't we?

EDIT: Although, I have a bad feeling Holland might send Andersson down just so he won't have to get rid of so many players, since Andersson technically can be sent back down. It'd be a bad move, but at the end of the day, is Holland simply going to waive five players? I don't think so.

[number9 3,297]

Don't know if this has been posted but a few days ago Mailk was tweeting quotes from Holland that said Brunner was seeking employment outside of Detroit. I'm guessing Kenny told him there's no room at his price. No I'm not going to dig through my twitter to find those quotes.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Don't know if this has been posted but a few days ago Mailk was tweeting quotes from Holland that said Brunner was seeking employment outside of Detroit. I'm guessing Kenny told him there's no room at his price. No I'm not going to dig through my twitter to find those quotes.

That's why I don't read Twitter, always so much speculation and rarely the truth. On the other side if Holland really told him "no place at this pricetag" Brunner is going to sign elsewhere soon. Let us just hope it will be outside the East

[Guest The Axe]

Brunner should resign with us for the Cup.

[Guest RedWingsDad]

The fact that he has certainly had offers and hasn't signed anywhere makes me speculate that Holland has asked him to hold pat while we hopefully work out a trade to free up cap and roster space, at which point the negotiation will be revisited. Holland had likely planned on resigning him but the Alfie signing plus the fact the Sammy is still in the roster handcuffed us from a cap and roster perspective. I say there's a decent chance we still sign him after packaging Tatar or Nyquist in a trade for a D man.

Edited July 9, 2013 by RedWingsDad

[AtomicPunk 296]

How can there still be talk of re--signing Cleary when we have a multi player logjam as it is? Just call it quits.