Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 13, 2013 How do you all feel about him now after 1 year as a #1 d? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingedominance13 112 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 He is a number a great defenseman. Not elite. There are only 7 or 8 defenseman I would take over kroner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 Kronwall was fine as a #1. Ideally, your top guy will be well above average as both a puck mover, and defensive defenseman. Kronwall was certainly that. Plus he logged an absolute ton of minutes given all the injuries as well as the growing pains associated with having a lot of young d-men on the team. I don't think this last part can be overstated. Not only did he have to transition into the top spot, but he had to do it without having a supremely capable second pairing. Obviously he's not the best shutdown defenseman in the league or anything, but I don't think there's too many all around d-men who are better at both ends of the ice. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 13, 2013 Well first off, I'm kinda holding out some hope that we can bring in a top 4 D-man via trade (since we have such a surplus of fowards). Not exactly expecting it, but got my fingers crossed. As for Nick jr, he's obviously no Nick Lidstrom, but he seems to have what it takes to be a number 1 guy. Looked pretty good in his first season as #1, and likely he will only get more comfortable with that role as time goes on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 He is not a number one. If we had a legit number 1 Ericsson and kroner can be our second pairing like it should be. I want lids back lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 He's not a #1 D-man. #2 D-man. Yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 I think he did ok. Not great, but ok his first year as our #1. He had a lot of ups and downs last year...and i started a "Kronwall is a #1 Dman" thread during the lockout i think it was. I wonder how close all of our predictions were from it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 14, 2013 I think he did ok. Not great, but ok his first year as our #1. He had a lot of ups and downs last year...and i started a "Kronwall is a #1 Dman" thread during the lockout i think it was. I wonder how close all of our predictions were from it? Find it and we can merge this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 Tough to say. In the playoffs, his offensive game disappeared completely. In the regular season, he was very good offensively, but a train wreck in his own zone too many times. He will play as a number one because we won't get anyone better. But realistically, he's a guy that should be your second best defenseman. 2 BigWillieStyle and Marxx71 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 14, 2013 By the definition that some have here of what constitutes a #1 defenseman, there are substantially less #1 defensemen than there are teams in the NHL. 4 Motown4013, Marxx71, Nev and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 Kronwall is a #1 d. He is not top 10 in the NHL though. We just got spoiled by having at least one guy seriously considered for the Norris every year since Folgers was here. Coffey, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Murphy, and Chelios were all fantastic players and Kronwall just isn't in that class. That doesn't mean he's bad it just means he's not Hall of Fame material. And yes, I know Vlad won't get there, but if Gnida had waited until later to get baked, he would have gotten there. 1 drw138 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 By the definition that some have here of what constitutes a #1 defenseman, there are substantially less #1 defensemen than there are teams in the NHL. To me, there's more elite centers or goalies in the league than there are defensemen. Technically, every team has a number one defenseman in terms of his standing on the team, but very few of them are elite. So Kronwall is our number one, but he's not an elite defenseman. 3 55fan, paulb1320 and Number19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 Whatever he is, someone needs to raise up on the links at kronwalled.net! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 By the definition that some have here of what constitutes a #1 defenseman, there are substantially less #1 defensemen than there are teams in the NHL.And? There's a reason number 1 defenseman are a premium, not everyone has one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 By the definition that some have here of what constitutes a #1 defenseman, there are substantially less #1 defensemen than there are teams in the NHL.And? There's a reason number 1 defenseman are a premium, not everyone has one. There are probably a couple dozen, and sometimes a team gets 2 at once. Suter and Weber in Nashville, Lidstrom and Vladdy, Lidstrom and Murphy, Lidstrom and Chelios when he first got here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 Kronner isn't a true number 1 and he showed it last year with struggles with turnovers and play in his own end. That said he stepped it up defensively in the playoffs at the sacrifice of his offense. Was he injured btw? Either way despite not being a true number 1 I still like him and we have him on a reasonable contract. I also believe we can win a cup with him as our number 1 or 2 guy. I think Danny D has the potential to be one at least in his own end. He quietly played amazingly for a rookie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 Kronwall + Girardi = Cup 1 Marxx71 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achildr1 255 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 If he's not top ten...who all is better than him? Go! Ill say Doughty, Subban, Chara, Weber, Suter, Karlsson... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 There are probably a couple dozen, and sometimes a team gets 2 at once. Suter and Weber in Nashville, Lidstrom and Vladdy, Lidstrom and Murphy, Lidstrom and Chelios when he first got here. A couple of dozen? That's pushing it a little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) Kronner isn't a true number 1 and he showed it last year with struggles with turnovers and play in his own end. That said he stepped it up defensively in the playoffs at the sacrifice of his offense. Was he injured btw? Either way despite not being a true number 1 I still like him and we have him on a reasonable contract. I also believe we can win a cup with him as our number 1 or 2 guy. I think Danny D has the potential to be one at least in his own end. He quietly played amazingly for a rookie. Define true #1. Edited July 14, 2013 by DickieDunn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 14, 2013 Kronwall + Girardi = Cup I know you like Girardi a lot; but by the accounts of many Rangers fans, he did not at all have a good season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) When I think of a true #1 defensemen I think of a franchise defensemen. I'm talking Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios, Niedermayer caliber. Kronner is good but he is not on that level. Edited July 14, 2013 by dragonballgtz 2 frankgrimes and Marxx71 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achildr1 255 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 When I think of a ture #1 defensemen I think of a franchise defensemen. I'm talking Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios, Niedermayer caliber. Kronner is good but he is not on that level. Same here. That said, I think we should call that a franchise defenseman and redefine what a normal #1 is. 2 Nev and DickieDunn reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingCraig 32 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 He may not be a franchise defenseman but he's our #1 2 55fan and Marxx71 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AusWing40 61 Report post Posted July 14, 2013 He started off pretty god awfully. Whether that's due to the lockout or the pressure of being the #1 I don't know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
