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#1 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:10 AM

Some of you wagged your finger at ESPN's Future Power Rankings thread.

 

Well here is your evidence for feeling that way:

http://insider.espn....ndings#comments

 

Wings are projected to finish 23rd overall with 88 points.

2013-14 NHL Team Projections

 

Rk Team Pts 1 Pittsburgh Penguins 101 2 New York Rangers 97 3 Boston Bruins 97 4 Chicago Blackhawks 97 5 Ottawa Senators 96 6 St. Louis Blues 96 7 Edmonton Oilers 95 8 Montreal Canadiens 95 9 Philadelphia Flyers 94 10 Toronto Maple Leafs 93 11 Dallas Stars 92 12 Tampa Bay Lightning 92 13 Phoenix Coyotes 91 14 Washington Capitals 91 15 Carolina Hurricanes 91 16 Los Angeles Kings 91 17 Columbus Blue Jackets 91 18 Anaheim Ducks 91 19 New Jersey Devils 90 20 San Jose Sharks 90 21 Vancouver Canucks 89 22 New York Islanders 89 23 Detroit Red Wings 88 24 Winnipeg Jets 88 25 Colorado Avalanche 88 26 Nashville Predators 87 27 Buffalo Sabres 86 28 Calgary Flames 83 29 Minnesota Wild 83 30 Florida Panthers 80

 

"How did we come to these conclusions? Using a statistical projection engine called VUKOTA, which makes use of the goals versus threshold (GVT) metric. Described by creator Tom Awad as "GVT's most powerful descendant," VUKOTA projects a player's likely future based on the scoring of historically comparable players. It is named after former fringe NHL player Mick Vukota as a play on words of baseball's similar PECOTA system. Awad goes on to describe how it is used to also project the NHL team standings:

 

 

"Since team GVT is simply the sum of player GVTs, the sum of the VUKOTA GVT values on a team becomes our projection for the team's goal differential, and consequently, its win-loss record as well, since teams on average record one extra point in the standings for every three goals scored or prevented."
VUKOTA foresees a lot of parity in the middle class of the realigned NHL, but of particular interest is the Detroit Red Wings' projection of 88 points, which would leave them outside of the East's top eight teams.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:12 AM

That prediction is incongruous in more ways than one; not only does its conclusion vary greatly from ESPN's aforementioned power ranking for the team, it also ignores the fact that the Wings have gotten better since last season.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:14 AM

That prediction is incongruous in more ways than one; not only does its conclusion vary greatly from ESPN's aforementioned power ranking for the team, it also ignores the fact that the Wings have gotten better since last season.

 

Listen, man, they have a formula. Was it pulled out of their ass? Probably, but I don't see you coming up with any formulas to predict the future!!!!


Edited by unsaddleddonald, 24 September 2013 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:21 AM

 
Listen, man, they have a formula. Was it pulled out of their ass? Probably, but I don't see you coming up with any formulas to predict the future!!!!

Using a series of complicated algorithms and sanctimonious ball joint bearings I have been able to successfully deduce that Dan Cleary will score 50 goals this season and be upwards of 78 points. Bargain signing for the wings!

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Edited by Euro_Twins, 24 September 2013 - 11:22 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:30 AM

It's a measurement based on how many goals all the players contribute, which is not a good way to measure our success. We are a relatively low scoring team and our wins were usually by a low goal differential. Teams that more regularly blow out the competition that have a similar record would be ranked higher even though our point totals would be similar.

That is if I'm understanding it right.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:40 AM

Neat.  They suck. 

 

Btw...I love how ESPN shuns the NHL in favor of extreme underwater basket weaving quarter finals (errrrrr....I meant the NBA), but hockey highlights are always at least 3 of the Top 10 plays of the day.  


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:46 AM

Total goals scored is a terrible measurement.  The best team is rarely the highest scoring team.

 

A team that is clutch and wins one goal games can win more games than a team that occasionally outscores the other team 7-0.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:50 AM

Did they do this last year? 

 

I'd be curious to know how their predictions fared compared to actual final season standings. 



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:51 AM

Didn't they very recently (like, yesterdayish) name the Penguins, Ducks, and Senators the best three NHL franchises? Or did I dream/nightmare that?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:53 AM

But... but... algorithms don't lie!

I was interested to read the entire article, but not interested enough to sign up for ESPN to have access to it.

 

We all agree ESPN sucks; why do we continue to beat our heads against this particular wall?  I certainly don't need any further proof.  When I start caring about World Poker Championships, then I'll tune into ESPN.  Until then, I have FSD and TSN.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:53 AM

Also, I want everyone to doubt the Wings. It'll make winning that much sweeter.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:08 PM

I would bet my house the Wings make the playoffs this year. This is a 2-year rebuild and we are in year 2. They should excel this year and be poised for a nice playoff run, barring injuries.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

Funny, NHL.com think the Wings are setup for a deep run.

 

Not to mention ESPN had them at #2 on the power rankings.  How are you #2 on PR and finish 23....behind the f****** Islanders?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 02:39 PM

 

Some of you wagged your finger at ESPN's Future Power Rankings thread.

 

Well here is your evidence for feeling that way:

http://insider.espn....ndings#comments

 

Wings are projected to finish 23rd overall with 88 points.

2013-14 NHL Team Projections

 

Rk Team Pts 1 Pittsburgh Penguins 101 2 New York Rangers 97 3 Boston Bruins 97 4 Chicago Blackhawks 97 5 Ottawa Senators 96 6 St. Louis Blues 96 7 Edmonton Oilers 95 8 Montreal Canadiens 95 9 Philadelphia Flyers 94 10 Toronto Maple Leafs 93 11 Dallas Stars 92 12 Tampa Bay Lightning 92 13 Phoenix Coyotes 91 14 Washington Capitals 91 15 Carolina Hurricanes 91 16 Los Angeles Kings 91 17 Columbus Blue Jackets 91 18 Anaheim Ducks 91 19 New Jersey Devils 90 20 San Jose Sharks 90 21 Vancouver Canucks 89 22 New York Islanders 89 23 Detroit Red Wings 88 24 Winnipeg Jets 88 25 Colorado Avalanche 88 26 Nashville Predators 87 27 Buffalo Sabres 86 28 Calgary Flames 83 29 Minnesota Wild 83 30 Florida Panthers 80

 

"How did we come to these conclusions? Using a statistical projection engine called VUKOTA, which makes use of the goals versus threshold (GVT) metric. Described by creator Tom Awad as "GVT's most powerful descendant," VUKOTA projects a player's likely future based on the scoring of historically comparable players. It is named after former fringe NHL player Mick Vukota as a play on words of baseball's similar PECOTA system. Awad goes on to describe how it is used to also project the NHL team standings:

 

 

"Since team GVT is simply the sum of player GVTs, the sum of the VUKOTA GVT values on a team becomes our projection for the team's goal differential, and consequently, its win-loss record as well, since teams on average record one extra point in the standings for every three goals scored or prevented."
VUKOTA foresees a lot of parity in the middle class of the realigned NHL, but of particular interest is the Detroit Red Wings' projection of 88 points, which would leave them outside of the East's top eight teams.

 

 

Did something change in the way teams get points? 101 for the best team seems incredibly unlikely. 



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:02 PM

 

Did something change in the way teams get points? 101 for the best team seems incredibly unlikely. 

Not only that, but only 1 team with more than 100pts?  That's absurd, there were 10 teams with 100+ points in 2012



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:16 PM

but were stopped short in the conference finals when the defensive system of the Boston Bruins neutralized their top lines. Their primary weakness in terms of skaters is a lack of depth, but that is likely to be overcome by their unrivaled top lines.

 

 

I'm pretty sure our top 6  could go toe to toe with theirs, not only that, Zetterberg has never had an issue shutting down Crosby's line...their lack of depth, lack of defence, and lack of solid goaltending is their issue not just their lack of depth... Two great lines, 5 average d-men, and a very mediocre bottom 6, and an average goalie, is not a winning combo come playoff time.



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Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:33 PM

Mike Vukota.  LOL

 

How about the CICCONE system, where Tampa Bay would be ranked number 1?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 07:26 PM

Mike Vukota.  LOL
 
How about the CICCONE system, where Tampa Bay would be ranked number 1?


Why not the HAMPUS system, where our prospects would be utterly dominant?
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Posted 24 September 2013 - 07:35 PM

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