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Helm is nyquist without the offensive potential

And Helm is much more physical, gritty.

Also, Nyquist isn't close to as fast as Helm. Even if you strapped a jet pack on his back, a la Wile E. Coyote, he'd still not touch Helm's speed.

So in other words..they're completely different. lol

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So in other words..they're completely different. lol

I was referring more to the fact that they are both very fast, hard working, determined, and have enough soul to go around the whole bench. Helm is grittier and faster, Nyquist is more skilled with the puck.

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I was referring more to the fact that they are both very fast, hard working, determined, and have enough soul to go around the whole bench. Helm is grittier and faster, Nyquist is more skilled with the puck.

I don't consider Nyquist a "fast" player like that of Helm, Mackinnon, Grabner. He doesn't have close to that top end speed.

What he does have is great "quickness" which is more attributed to great acceleration and quick feet.

Agreed that they do share the other characteristics you mentioned.

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This team is loaded with players who play well but can't score. They need someone who can score.

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Yeah we definitely need him. Our depth down the middle is pretty bad when we load up Z and D. Honestly our 2nd line looked great tonight, but Helm is ideal as 3rd line C.

At some point when Holland decides to do his job, this is what I'd like to see:

Z-D-Bert

Nyquist-Weiss-Alfie

Franzen-Helm-Tatar

Miller-Glendening-Abdelkader

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Yeah we definitely need him. Our depth down the middle is pretty bad when we load up Z and D. Honestly our 2nd line looked great tonight, but Helm is ideal as 3rd line C.

At some point when Holland decides to do his job, this is what I'd like to see:

Z-D-Bert

Nyquist-Weiss-Alfie

Franzen-Helm-Tatar

Miller-Glendening-Abdelkader

YES THANK YOU. This is ideal. I think its more likely we see Andersson in the 4th line slot but I think Glendening is better suited for the crash and bang of 4th line duty. Then we just need Babs to stop ******* with the lines for a few games to generate some regularity and chemistry.

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I did some youtubin of him he seems to have some scoring talent. Problem being we havent seen it thus far this season.

I think part of it has to do with our system. Babs likes to keep guys not named Z and Dats on a leash. Once Weiss gains confidence in his ability to function defensively in our system the scoring will come.

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I think part of it has to do with our system. Babs likes to keep guys not named Z and Dats on a leash. Once Weiss gains confidence in his ability to function defensively in our system the scoring will come.

this. Weiss clearly was uncomfortable with our system, both defensively and offensively, and he said as much during interviews. Every game he is looking a bit more comfortable out there, holding onto the puck longer, and making a bigger impact in the game. He's been reinventing his game to fit into Babcock's system, and once that transition is complete, he should be the top 6 player we need him to be.

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I think the Wings are really missing Weiss's face off ability especially in the defensive zone. He was really getting comfy in the face offs which helped get puck control right away and not have to chase the puck around. Didn't think I would have said this a month ago but the team misses him, he got hurt just when it felt like he was getting ready to take off. They can't afford to have the injury derail all the progress he made.

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by the way he was skating he should be back by the Ottawa game this Saturday I would hope

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I think the Wings are really missing Weiss's face off ability especially in the defensive zone. He was really getting comfy in the face offs which helped get puck control right away and not have to chase the puck around. Didn't think I would have said this a month ago but the team misses him, he got hurt just when it felt like he was getting ready to take off. They can't afford to have the injury derail all the progress he made.

For sure, he is getting better and more comfortable each week but this roster has more problems than just Weiss being injured. I am looking forward to his comeback - didn't think I would have said that few weeks ago - his return will help for sure.

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All facts aside, TOI, linemates, I dont care, dont bother..

Weiss HAS the talent to be an amazing 2nd line, and even decent 1st line center. Weiss came from spending his entire career with a team that has arguably the worst team, the worst coaching, the worst management, the worst ownership. Now he's been catapulted into arguably one of the best teams, with the best coaching, the best management, and the best ownership. Pressure on? Adjustment necessary? I'd expect so.

Filppula... that little bugger who I still love with every inch of my Red Wing soul... came from one of the best teams, with arguably the best management, ownership, and coaching. Now he's with a lack luster team that emphasizes offense out of its forwards and he's exploded. Big fish in a small pond? Are any of us really that surprised? He's had that level of offensive upside for years. If you told Zetterberg to play the way Lightning skaters play he'd have a load more points too. Would he be a better hockey player because of it? I personally don't think so.

Let's see how things go. I think the lighting's high times will slow soon now that Stamkos is injured and they still have no goalie. We aren't even that far behind and we still can't possibly do worse. No where to go but up!

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All facts aside, TOI, linemates, I dont care, dont bother..

Weiss HAS the talent to be an amazing 2nd line, and even decent 1st line center. Weiss came from spending his entire career with a team that has arguably the worst team, the worst coaching, the worst management, the worst ownership. Now he's been catapulted into arguably one of the best teams, with the best coaching, the best management, and the best ownership. Pressure on? Adjustment necessary? I'd expect so.

Filppula... that little bugger who I still love with every inch of my Red Wing soul... came from one of the best teams, with arguably the best management, ownership, and coaching. Now he's with a lack luster team that emphasizes offense out of its forwards and he's exploded. Big fish in a small pond? Are any of us really that surprised? He's had that level of offensive upside for years. If you told Zetterberg to play the way Lightning skaters play he'd have a load more points too. Would he be a better hockey player because of it? I personally don't think so.

Let's see how things go. I think the lighting's high times will slow soon now that Stamkos is injured and they still have no goalie. We aren't even that far behind and we still can't possibly do worse. No where to go but up!

Agreed on all counts.

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