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#1 BBD10

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:32 AM

What do you guys think about this:

 

Quincey, Jurco, 1st and 3rd pick

 

Subban

 

I believe that that would be fair for both sides and would give us a star young defenseman that would fill the "top 4" role.  Sounds like him and Therein are not getting along.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:38 AM

A lot of other teams would easily offer more than that for him in a trade. And we'd have to re-sign him for at least $6-7 million per.

 

While Subban's an extremely talented player, there are too many question marks about his attitude and defensive zone coverage.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:46 AM

I want pk he's got swagger aggressiveness and a cannon would improve our pp substantially
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:54 AM

Don't get me wrong, Subban is awesome.  But we don't need a #1 d-man, we've got one.  We need a #3-4 d-man to play with Dekeyser and that ain't Subban.  I'll take Erhoff and keep the assets personally.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, Subban is awesome.  But we don't need a #1 d-man, we've got one.  We need a #3-4 d-man to play with Dekeyser and that ain't Subban.  I'll take Erhoff and keep the assets personally.

 

+ Montreal would never trade Subban to Detroit.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:03 PM

 

+ Montreal would never trade Subban to Detroit.

 

I agree.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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#7 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:09 PM

Montreal won't trade Subban .

There would be a riot if that happened

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:10 PM

No. No. No.....no

 

We don't need Subban or his attitude, he wouldn't be a good fit, he's a player that comes above the team not the other way around.  Babs would hate him...probably why he didn't see any ice time on Team Canada.  If Subban was that awesome, Babs would have played him then.

 

There's a reason he gets regularily benched at the end of the game when Montreal is in the lead.  He's absolutely not the answer we are looking for on defense. 

 

I also think they got it wrong that he was the best defenseman last year.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:14 PM

Would take Nyqusit/Tatar, Jurco, Ouellet/Sproul, 1st at least. Not worth it imo. Everyone saw Subban screw the Habs in our last game against them - I don't like his on-ice antics and they can hurt his own team. 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:16 PM

Don't get me wrong, Subban is awesome.  But we don't need a #1 d-man, we've got one.  We need a #3-4 d-man to play with Dekeyser and that ain't Subban.  I'll take Erhoff and keep the assets personally.

As much as I love Kronwall he is more of a number 2 defenceman, Lidstrom was the number one guy and Kronwall isn't quite their. But whatever that's not important.

As far as Subban no way is he getting traded for a couple reasons:

1. Too high of a price tag I don't think there is a team that would match it.
2. With that high a price tag teams still don't know what type of player he is. He has massive potential but will he ever reach it?

And lastly I'd rather have Edler then Subban, too many unknowns with P.K.

Edited by wings87, 04 March 2014 - 12:18 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:20 PM

I sure hope he is getting traded though.  It would definitely lower the price on Erhoff or Edler.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


#12 BottleOfSmoke

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:23 PM

As much as I love Kronwall he is more of a number 2 defenceman, Lidstrom was the number one guy and Kronwall isn't quite their but close.


*twitch*

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If Lids is your bar for a number one defenseman, NO ONE IN THE NHL HAS A NUMBER ONE.

There are not 29 defensemen better than Niklas Kronwall. Hell, there aren't 15 defensemen currently playing in the NHL that are better than Kronwall. He is a number 1. He is not an elite, hall of fame defenseman. Nor are every other team's save for a few.

On the topic of PK, I would love to have him, but not for the price we would pay. He's not "the answer," though his skill set is the boobs. I also agree with others that I don't think he would be able to be coached well by Babs.

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#13 wings87

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:33 PM

*twitch*
*twitchtwitch*
If Lids is your bar for a number one defenseman, NO ONE IN THE NHL HAS A NUMBER ONE.
There are not 29 defensemen better than Niklas Kronwall. Hell, there aren't 15 defensemen currently playing in the NHL that are better than Kronwall. He is a number 1. He is not an elite, hall of fame defenseman. Nor are every other team's save for a few.
On the topic of PK, I would love to have him, but not for the price we would pay. He's not "the answer," though his skill set is the boobs. I also agree with others that I don't think he would be able to be coached well by Babs.


Nah Lidstrom is not the bar he's the gold standard, I just don't think Kronwall is a number one defenceman (in the pure sense of the word, but he's our number one) but he's really close.

It's like baseball there are a small amount of true aces and just because a pitcher is a number one on his team doesn't make him an ace.

Anyway not to derail the thread let's move on.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:33 PM

I'm not trading him; the Canadiens might, but they haven't contacted me regarding it.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:37 PM

The Canadians would make a mistake trading him, cause he might grow into something special.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

The Canadians would make a mistake trading him, cause he might grow into something special.


I apologize ... I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

Canadians just added another d man in weaver from Florida.. likely just for depth but still interesting

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:18 PM

*twitch*
*twitchtwitch*
If Lids is your bar for a number one defenseman, NO ONE IN THE NHL HAS A NUMBER ONE.
There are not 29 defensemen better than Niklas Kronwall. Hell, there aren't 15 defensemen currently playing in the NHL that are better than Kronwall. He is a number 1. He is not an elite, hall of fame defenseman. Nor are every other team's save for a few.
On the topic of PK, I would love to have him, but not for the price we would pay. He's not "the answer," though his skill set is the boobs. I also agree with others that I don't think he would be able to be coached well by Babs.

Nah Lidstrom is not the bar he's the gold standard, I just don't think Kronwall is a number one defenceman (in the pure sense of the word, but he's our number one) but he's really close.
It's like baseball there are a small amount of true aces and just because a pitcher is a number one on his team doesn't make him an ace.
Anyway not to derail the thread let's move on.


There are only a handful of elite guys. Then there are some #1 guys. Kronwall is in the second category. Don't confuse elite with #1.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:23 PM

NBA attitude,  arrogant, agitator not defensively responsible and will command way too much money. if Pietrangelo isn't getting close to 7 Million neither should he, I think the Canadiens offered him a great deal.

 

There is a reason why every coach is having some difficult times with him, the kid has some serious growing up to do, same goes for that Eller kid. People joking about Karlsoon "only a fourth forward" Subban is basically the same BUT with all the mentioned attitude problems.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:25 PM

There are only a handful of elite guys. Then there are some #1 guys. Kronwall is in the second category. Don't confuse elite with #1.

 

 I'm not confusing the two. Kronwall is a tremendous player and our number 1 guy, so lets leave it at that. 


I apologize ... I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

 

No sarcasm, the guy has massive potential; but the question is whether he is too selfish to ever realize it. 


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