DannyD 79 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 Problem is - FLA has said they are only willing to drop to #8 or something. We won't be able to move up it seems. There is always a way. Trade up in the draft to #7. Give CAR #15, and Ouellet. (We have a connection with CAR now with Bill Peters being HC. He has seen how good Ouellet is.) Maybe he would even take Kindl off our hands. lol Give Florida #7 + Tatar + Helm + Bäckman Z-Pav-Alfie/Mantha/FA Goose-Weiss-Franzen Jurco-Sheahan-Abby/Pulks Abby/Callahan-Glendening-Miller Kronner-Ekblad Dekeyser-Smith Big E-Marchenko That D would be MUCH improved. Still a little green but Marchenko would be an upgrade on Kindl/Lashoff and Ekbla would be much better than Quincey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 There is always a way. Trade up in the draft to #7. Give CAR #15, and Ouellet. (We have a connection with CAR now with Bill Peters being HC. He has seen how good Ouellet is.) Maybe he would even take Kindl off our hands. lol Give Florida #7 + Tatar + Helm + Bäckman Z-Pav-Alfie/Mantha/FA Goose-Weiss-Franzen Jurco-Sheahan-Abby/Pulks Abby/Callahan-Glendening-Miller Kronner-Ekblad Dekeyser-Smith Big E-Marchenko That D would be MUCH improved. Still a little green but Marchenko would be an upgrade on Kindl/Lashoff and Ekbla would be much better than Quincey. Problem is we likely have to overpay for both trade-ups. Is Ekblad really worth that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 Problem is we likely have to overpay for both trade-ups. Is Ekblad really worth that? What dies ekbkad give us that we don't have?? Projected top line d? Ummm we have dekeyser smith oullete and sproul. So why add another to the mix when it would be an overpayment to get him and we have other issues needing to be addressed. Like good players that contribute NOW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwoodsfan 52 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 I'm not advocating for Ekblad, but I think most if not all hockey scouts would say he has way more upside than DeK, Smith, Ouellet and Sproul. They all have potential to be a first-pair d-man; Ekblad has potential to be a Norris winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 I would actually like Fabbri where we are picking. He scored 45 goals as a C and has mad wheels. We seem to have a lot of C's that are pass first - it would be nice to have a C with a Jeff Carter shoot first mentality - even if the kid is only 5'10 and maxes out at 5'11. Otherwise I like Barbashev. The guy has no holes in his game. Is responsible, 6'0, plays a two way game. I totally see him turning into a 2C potentially. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 What dies ekbkad give us that we don't have?? Projected top line d? Ummm we have dekeyser smith oullete and sproul. So why add another to the mix when it would be an overpayment to get him and we have other issues needing to be addressed. Like good players that contribute NOW. Listen and watch the draft center to know what type of package this guy is providing, when someone gets compared to Shea Weber you gotta take him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,557 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 Well, to be fair Shea Weber didn't even project to be Shea Weber when he has drafted. Nor did Subban, Chara, or Keith. The only first rate d-men I'm aware of that were so highly thought of were Karlsson, Pietrangelo, and Doughty. Brad Stuart (god love him) was a third overall pick after all. And while I'm a big Stuart fan, I'd have been a little irritated had I spent a 3rd overall on him. In general I always have more faith in "can't miss" forwards than I do in defensemen. It just seems that the developmental arch for d-men is too hard to predict with confidence. 2 marcaractac and Son of a Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 Listen and watch the draft center to know what type of package this guy is providing, when someone gets compared to Shea Weber you gotta take him. Lawton, Dore, Daigle, Brendl, Stefan, DiPietro, Scissons, the list goes on and on. Jurco was compared to Hossa, those comparisons mean nothing to me other than style of play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 No posts that include imaginary trades that involve Franzen and Weiss. No team is going to accept that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 24, 2014 Yeah but when a guy has the size, shot and maturity at 18 passing that up in an era where top defenders rarely make it to UFA I wouldn't pass up that chance. Forwards are easier to get in this day and age Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_SP_ 129 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Would you trade Franzen, Weiss, and Jimmy Howard for Phil Kessel and Jay Bouwmeester? Stephen Weiss, Jimmy Howard, Jakub Kindl, Toronto's 2014 2nd & Detroit's 2014 1st to St. Louis. Patrick Berglund, Johan Franzen, & Jake Allen to Toronto.Jay Bouwmeester, Phil Kessel, and Frederik Gauthier to Detroit. Zetterberg - Datsyuk - KesselNyquist - Statsny ($7M) - ManthaTatar - Sheahan - JurcoMiler - Helm - Abdelkader Andersson - GlendeningKronwall - EricssonBouwmeester - DeKeyserSmith - D. Boyle ($5M)LashoffAny Veteran FA Goalie up to $5.25M (Ryan Miller? Jonas Hiller? Martin Brodeur?)Mrazek Gustavsson Didn't give up Mantha, Nyquist, Jurco, Tatar, Ouellet, Sproul, or Mrazek. I think the hardest piece of this trade would be Bouwmeester at his cap hit (given it's so low, I don't think they'd want to give him up, but...) other than that, it seems fair: Toronto gets two top-six forwards and a top goalie prospect for their top winger and a center prospect; the Blues get a better offensive center, a top-10 goalie, a bottom-pair defenseman, and two draft picks for a defensive-center, a top defensemen, and a goalie prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Well, to be fair Shea Weber didn't even project to be Shea Weber when he has drafted. Nor did Subban, Chara, or Keith. The only first rate d-men I'm aware of that were so highly thought of were Karlsson, Pietrangelo, and Doughty. Brad Stuart (god love him) was a third overall pick after all. And while I'm a big Stuart fan, I'd have been a little irritated had I spent a 3rd overall on him. In general I always have more faith in "can't miss" forwards than I do in defensemen. It just seems that the developmental arch for d-men is too hard to predict with confidence. Speaking of Stuart, I wonder if he could be had for cheap, considering the Sharks are rebuilding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Speaking of Stuart, I wonder if he could be had for cheap, considering the Sharks are rebuilding. He's not going to go anywhere. If he does it'll be another California team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Would you trade Franzen, Weiss, and Jimmy Howard for Phil Kessel and Jay Bouwmeester? Stephen Weiss, Jimmy Howard, Jakub Kindl, Toronto's 2014 2nd & Detroit's 2014 1st to St. Louis. Patrick Berglund, Johan Franzen, & Jake Allen to Toronto. Jay Bouwmeester, Phil Kessel, and Frederik Gauthier to Detroit. Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Kessel Nyquist - Statsny ($7M) - Mantha Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco Miler - Helm - Abdelkader Andersson - Glendening Kronwall - Ericsson Bouwmeester - DeKeyser Smith - D. Boyle ($5M) Lashoff Any Veteran FA Goalie up to $5.25M (Ryan Miller? Jonas Hiller? Martin Brodeur?) Mrazek Gustavsson Didn't give up Mantha, Nyquist, Jurco, Tatar, Ouellet, Sproul, or Mrazek. I think the hardest piece of this trade would be Bouwmeester at his cap hit (given it's so low, I don't think they'd want to give him up, but...) other than that, it seems fair: Toronto gets two top-six forwards and a top goalie prospect for their top winger and a center prospect; the Blues get a better offensive center, a top-10 goalie, a bottom-pair defenseman, and two draft picks for a defensive-center, a top defensemen, and a goalie prospect. LOL that was the best I've read so far. So much thought an effort put into it. Why not just say.... Kindl for kessel and franzen for Bouwmeister then we can all laugh together and realize it was a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Speaking of Stuart, I wonder if he could be had for cheap, considering the Sharks are rebuilding. Stuart left to be with his family, who can't move away from California because of some child custody thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Well, to be fair Shea Weber didn't even project to be Shea Weber when he has drafted. Nor did Subban, Chara, or Keith. The only first rate d-men I'm aware of that were so highly thought of were Karlsson, Pietrangelo, and Doughty. Brad Stuart (god love him) was a third overall pick after all. And while I'm a big Stuart fan, I'd have been a little irritated had I spent a 3rd overall on him. In general I always have more faith in "can't miss" forwards than I do in defensemen. It just seems that the developmental arch for d-men is too hard to predict with confidence. 100% this. Not to mention dmen tend to take a lot longer to develop than forwards. Guys like Karlsson looked terrible there for a little while before he broke out. Stuart left to be with his family, who can't move away from California because of some child custody thing. If my memory serves me correctly, that child custody issue would have only been for one more year at the time his contract with the Wings was up. But it was enough to get him back to Cali. I could be wrong, though. I liked Stuart while he was here. But I just don't see him as the type of dman the Wings really need right now. Sure he would be nice to have if he came without having to give up much. But a puck mover is a much more important need for the time being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 He's not going to go anywhere. If he does it'll be another California team. I completely forgot about his family situation in California. Thanks for reminding me.Well that sucks. I miss Stuart, and Matt Greene re-signed with Los Angeles for four years. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) I agree about the defense and top center been saying that for awhile now... And this year we got Kessler and spezza available and..... No interest from us?? Kesler doesn't have any interest in US. He wants to go to Anaheim or Chicago. That's what he's told VAN. Spezza. Nope. No interest. Iginla. Dreger said we have interest on TSN today. Boston may not be able to keep him. Z - Dats - Iginla Nyquist - Weiss - Franzen Sheahan - Helm - Jurco Miller - Glenfiddich - Abdelkader Trade Tatar + Andersson + Kindl + whatever else for a good D-man OR Sign Niskanen. Keep Tatar. Trade Andersson + Kindl for pick(s) CapGeek Armchair GM Roster FORWARDS Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Jarome Iginla ($6.000m) Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Riley Sheahan ($0.900m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar ($1.250m) Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Luke Glendening ($0.628m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) Tomas Jurco ($0.709m) DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m) Danny DeKeyser ($1.750m) / Matt Niskanen ($6.300m) Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m) / Alexei Marchenko ($0.667m) Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) BUYOUTS Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m) Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m) BONUS OVERAGE $3,017,500 ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (estimations for 2014-15) SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,663,712; BONUSES: $340,833 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,436,288 Pulks, Callahan, Mantha all start in GR. Called up as necessary. Edited June 25, 2014 by e_prime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 324 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Speaking of Stuart, I wonder if he could be had for cheap, considering the Sharks are rebuilding. Am I taking crazy pills? Does no one remember how terrible he was the last 1 and half seasons he was here? The dude mailed it in and was one of the worst defenders on the Wings roster. Why does everyone want him back? 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Am I taking crazy pills? Does no one remember how terrible he was the last 1 and half seasons he was here? The dude mailed it in and was one of the worst defenders on the Wings roster. Why does everyone want him back? Yupp. I'll remember the Stewie from 08-11, he was ******* brutal in the 11-12 season. Especially in the playoffs against Nashville. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 @HeleneStJames: #RedWings have reached out to a number of players agents today. Strong interest in D Dan Boyle. Grain of salt... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DannyD 79 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 I wish we could sign Stastny and give Weiss away for a bag of used hockey pucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,973 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Dan Boyle for 2 years and Niskanen for 6... I would be perfectly fine with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arag 308 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 Orpik and Niskanen would be nice improvement to our D. It is possible if holland can make some trades. Kindle and Lash should go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 i want orpik, boyle has regressed some, orpik still seems very solid. he could help smith/dekeyser/march for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites