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Let's not forget that while Toronto has made significant changes, there's still no evidence they're headed in the right direction. Last year they just tanked, and Babs was playing guys he liked over guys with talent. Think of a team full of Glendening's. We can rave about all their prospects but they still haven't shown they know what to do with them. After all, under Babcock only two kids ever really thrived, Nyquist and Tatar, in ten years. If I'm a player I'm still leaning toward a team who has proven they know what to do to win (even though we've stumbled for a few years) over a team that's hasn't done anything right in 50 years and is now promising they will start doing the right things now.

...which isn't true. Only thinking about recent years...DeKeyser improved a lot. Also Smith played an important role under Babcock...he either played terrible or didn't even crack the lineup ever since he left. The best example is Abdelkader. He was a typical bottom six player...it was Babcock who played him with Datsyuk and continued to do so even though he didn't do well at first. I always liked Abdelkader but he took a lot of heat from the fans...at times some didn't even want him in the lineup. He now is by far our best winger. He really does it all. If you ask me it's all thanks to Babcock who believed in him when nobody did.

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There is no way of knowing who the Wings would have taken.  They may have wanted Cholowski, knew they could probably get him a few picks later, so they were ok with that move.  Or they might ahve just not thought highly of Chychurn

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Look how high the kid we totally definitely would have drafted if we hadn't traded Datsyuk can jump

How nice would it be to have this kid plus all of that cap space Datsyuk took?

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We'll, just like you guys were telling me all this time, just because he's there doesn't mean they'll draft him. Holland proved this with Vilardi and Tippett, the no-brainer picks according to TSN.  But he took who he wanted. He could've passed over Chychrun and chose Cholowski anyway. With the dumbassness of Holland, I'm almost convinced He'd do it...

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that is an impressive box jump from sitting down nonetheless 

what did we do with the cap space he cleared? signed helm abs dekeyser to retarded amount of money thats what we did. we did not get better we stayed the same and for a long time

yes we got nelson. not sure if we couldve swung that if we had datsyuk on our payroll. but f*** it bring up a griffin and play we couldve have done much worse lmao

and we couldve got a great young dman

so all in all we might have done better if we did not move datsyuk contract sign those retarded contracts and let a dmen that probably wouldve jumped to the top 4 on our team and help out

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9 minutes ago, brett said:

that is an impressive box jump from sitting down nonetheless 

what did we do with the cap space he cleared? signed helm abs dekeyser to retarded amount of money thats what we did. we did not get better we stayed the same and for a long time

yes we got nelson. not sure if we couldve swung that if we had datsyuk on our payroll. but f*** it bring up a griffin and play we couldve have done much worse lmao

and we couldve got a great young dman

so all in all we might have done better if we did not move datsyuk contract sign those retarded contracts and let a dmen that probably wouldve jumped to the top 4 on our team and help out

To be fair, at the time we were the favourite (according to TSN) in landing Stamkos and that is why the cap space was cleared. With hindsight being 20/20 of course it was a bad move, but if you go back to the moment without knowing Stamkos would sign with TB on June 30th, I get why he did it. 

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2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Plus everyone, me included, was saying if he didn't trade that contract, he needed to be fired.

Ya results oriented thinking is a very flawed way of looking at things. The decision a GM should make is the decision that gives his team the best chance of winning. At the time, I think Holland had no choice, yes in retrospect it was a mistake. 

What I mean by results oriented thinking is this, and I admit this is an extreme. If we were in OT, and Blashill decided to run with a line of E, Miller, Ott, and Glendening for the majority of the period, and they scored, results oriented thinking would imply that he made the "right decision", despite the fact that 99/100 times it would not work.  A person who does not have an issue with results oriented thinking, would simply say "they scored, end of story" which is a very simplistic way of looking at things.

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2 minutes ago, kliq said:

Ya results oriented thinking is a very flawed way of looking at things. The decision a GM should make is the decision that gives his team the best chance of winning. At the time, I think Holland had no choice, yes in retrospect it was a mistake. 

What I mean by results oriented thinking is this, and I admit this is an extreme. If we were in OT, and Blashill decided to run with a line of E, Miller, Ott, and Glendening for the majority of the period, and they scored, results oriented thinking would imply that he made the "right decision", despite the fact that 99/100 times it would not work.  A person who does not have an issue with results oriented thinking, would simply say "they scored, end of story" which is a very simplistic way of looking at things.

:lol: i think that was his go to line in overtime!

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Datsyuk Interview (Malik Translation)

On Danis Zaripov (Rumored to be signing with Tampa)

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Q – Would you like to see him in Detroit?

A – I do not think that’s the best scenario for him. He will be better in Washington or Rangers. It will be tough for him in Pittsburgh, they have first two lines already. And third and fourth line is not for him.

On Babs

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A – He gave me a lot. Asked me to concentrate on defense. Made me more of a defensive forward. Especially closer to
the end of my career. But in general every coach added something. Bowman, on the other hand, allowed me to play my game and improvise. Even though I was so young.

Q – Blashill is called Babcock’s clone.

A – Blashill is not really a clone, simply Detroit has a certain system in place that started with Babcock.

On the streak

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A – It’s not even that important they missed the playoffs. In most recent seasons, there was constant talk: will Detroit make or miss the playoffs. Can Detroit win the Cup did not seem to be of interest to anybody. Everybody talked only about making the playoffs. So, it’s very good the Red Wings missed the playoffs. The recharge started. There was so much pressure when we were making the playoffs 24th and 25th time in a row. It seemed like we made it and the goal is achieved. Now everything will change, there will be no such pressure and they will be to see the ultimate goal. In reality you need to fight for the cup and not just to make the playoffs.

On Zberg

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Q – Zetterberg by the way also announced that he will leave to Sweden with 1 year remaining on his contract.

A – “Oh, Zetterberg also announced”, - you are saying it as if he learned it from me. Datsyukian is a disease now. Leave with 1 year left in the contract. This is his decision. And in any case, he had a great career in Detroit.

 

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

A – “Oh, Zetterberg also announced”, - you are saying it as if he learned it from me. Datsyukian is a disease now. Leave with 1 year left in the contract. This is his decision. And in any case, he had a great career in Detroit.

What a savage. 

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18 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

On Babs

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A – He gave me a lot. Asked me to concentrate on defense. Made me more of a defensive forward. Especially closer to
the end of my career. But in general every coach added something. Bowman, on the other hand, allowed me to play my game and improvise. Even though I was so young.

Q – Blashill is called Babcock’s clone.

A – Blashill is not really a clone, simply Detroit has a certain system in place that started with Babcock.

On the streak

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A – It’s not even that important they missed the playoffs. In most recent seasons, there was constant talk: will Detroit make or miss the playoffs. Can Detroit win the Cup did not seem to be of interest to anybody. Everybody talked only about making the playoffs. So, it’s very good the Red Wings missed the playoffs. The recharge started. There was so much pressure when we were making the playoffs 24th and 25th time in a row. It seemed like we made it and the goal is achieved. Now everything will change, there will be no such pressure and they will be to see the ultimate goal. In reality you need to fight for the cup and not just to make the playoffs.

I thought these two were pretty interesting. Babs making him play in a system, and Bowman letting him be himself. Would have been interesting to see how his career would have turned out if he could have just played his game.

 

The comments regarding just making the playoffs is eye opening. Basically admitting that the organization only cared about getting into the playoffs and not the real end goal of winning a cup. I disagree with him thinking they're going to change that mind set though. Playoff hockey means more money and "at the end of the day this is a business". I think until the Wings clean house and hire from outside it will continue to be their mindset.

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8 minutes ago, BadgerBob said:

I thought these two were pretty interesting. Babs making him play in a system, and Bowman letting him be himself. Would have been interesting to see how his career would have turned out if he could have just played his game.

 

The comments regarding just making the playoffs is eye opening. Basically admitting that the organization only cared about getting into the playoffs and not the real end goal of winning a cup. I disagree with him thinking they're going to change that mind set though. Playoff hockey means more money and "at the end of the day this is a business". I think until the Wings clean house and hire from outside it will continue to be their mindset.

Mandates like that come from ownership, not management. You can bring in whoever you want, but if ownership dont change their mindset, it doesn't matter.

Not trying to defend Holland as does make bad moves, but why would Holland care about the bottom line if ownership doesn't.

I think people WANT the issue to be Holland. If this mind set is created that everything is Holland's fault, then firing him would fix it right. If everything is Ilitch's fault, that is hard to stomach because that is not changing.

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22 minutes ago, kliq said:

Mandates like that come from ownership, not management. You can bring in whoever you want, but if ownership dont change their mindset, it doesn't matter.

Not trying to defend Holland as does make bad moves, but why would Holland care about the bottom line if ownership doesn't.

I think people WANT the issue to be Holland. If this mind set is created that everything is Holland's fault, then firing him would fix it right. If everything is Ilitch's fault, that is hard to stomach because that is not changing.

You're right, good points. I'll agree to that.

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