Conflict in the Crease

[kliq 3,763]

What potential starting goalies are available right now anyways? 

From my quick count you likely have available (this is pure speculation on my part):

Howard, Fleury, (Niemi or Lehtonen), Reimer (if you consider him a starter), Halak, and maybe Bishop?

I don't see Bishop being traded in a year where the bolts could win the cup, so between the rest, is Howard the best bang for your buck?

[Richdg 267]

If/when Jimmy is moved the team that makes the most sense is the Isles. They need a new G-Halak is in the doghouse or was, and Jimmy is a NY kid. In fact I would do that deal straight up. Howard for Halak. It helps both teams. The Isles get their starting G and we get 1 year of cap relief. Halak can then be Mrasek's backup and as a countryman help him out.

[kliq 3,763]

46 minutes ago, Richdg said:

If/when Jimmy is moved the team that makes the most sense is the Isles. They need a new G-Halak is in the doghouse or was, and Jimmy is a NY kid. In fact I would do that deal straight up. Howard for Halak. It helps both teams. The Isles get their starting G and we get 1 year of cap relief. Halak can then be Mrasek's backup and as a countryman help him out.

I like that. Halak also has a caphit of about 800k less. Not to mention, in the final year of his deal he may very well be easy to trade to a team looking for help due to an injury since he will have an expiring contract.

[kliq 3,763]

3 hours ago, F.Michael said:

The more ominous question is when should Holland consider holding the 'fire sale'?

Unless this team turns it around - we're looking at being outta the playoffs by Christmas.

Based on the goals put forth my this team, wayyyy to early to even consider that. At the end of the day, they are 4 points out of a playoff spot. String together a 4 game winning streak and you are right back in the hunt. 

I would be shocked if this team gave up on the streak if they still had a chance. I could see them firing Blashill before I could see them doing a fire sale.

[kliq 3,763]

18 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

If my memory serves me right...Teams that are not in the playoff picture by the end of the American Thanksgiving weekend - they then aren't likely to be there come spring time.

 

That just doesn't sound right. I can tell you this, I remember last year at American Thanksgiving Tampa Bay and Anaheim were out of the playoffs and I think Minnesota and Detroit were as well. 2 years ago, Ottawa was out pretty much the entire season until they cliched in like the final week (maybe even day) of the season and that is just off the top of my head. This is a league of parity and most teams are separated by only a handful of points. Where you are in November when the season ends in April means nothing.

[kliq 3,763]

24 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

It's a % thing...As in 'most' teams who aren't in the playoff picture by the end of November aren't likely to be in the post season...Of course there's a few under performing teams that turn it around (like last year when the Pens fired their coach, and eventually won the Cup)...But bad teams are bad teams, and they continue to be so throughout the entire season while the good teams continue to pile up points. 

EDIT - I've heard/seen it talked about on a few different sources - this will give you an idea.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2015/11/27/nhl-playoff-standings-thanksgiving/76460834/

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/out-of-the-playoffs-december-1-done-like-thanksgiving-dinner

No I get it, at any point in the season if you are in the playoffs you have a higher percentage of making it, and if you are not in the playoffs you have a higher percentage of not getting in, but my point is November is too early to give up as there is still a lot of time left and I dont think November specifically has any special meaning. I'm sure if you charted it, the majority of the playoff teams were sitting in a playoff spot for the majority of the season.

Either way, I don't believe the Wings are close to as bad as some people make them out to be, but please don't mistaken that with me saying they are great. I have always said that this year they are an average team.I think they have a bright future, but IMO the future isn't now. I still see us landing in the wild card this year or MAYBE getting 3rd in the division but with Montreal's resurgence I have a hard time seeing that.

[LeftWinger 5,129]

Well we'll see how things start to change with Vanek tonight. 

[kliq 3,763]

3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Well we'll see how things start to change with Vanek tonight. 

I just read he's playing on the second line with Nielsen and Larkin. Mantha was bumped up to the first with Z and Gus.

[FireCaptain 563]

18 hours ago, Richdg said:

If/when Jimmy is moved the team that makes the most sense is the Isles. They need a new G-Halak is in the doghouse or was, and Jimmy is a NY kid. In fact I would do that deal straight up. Howard for Halak. It helps both teams. The Isles get their starting G and we get 1 year of cap relief. Halak can then be Mrasek's backup and as a countryman help him out.

Howard's from WAY upstate. Downstaters and Upstaters have VERY little in common. So, the whole - 'he's a NY kid' isn't valid. 

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

2 hours ago, FireCaptain said:

Howard's from WAY upstate. Downstaters and Upstaters have VERY little in common. So, the whole - 'he's a NY kid' isn't valid. 

Yup this right here. Hes from New York but it might as well be Canada since Ogdensburg is a border town. He grew up closer to Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto than he did NYC. In fact Im pretty sure from where to he grew up to Detroit is only an hour longer than it takes to get to NYC from there.

[FireCaptain 563]

39 minutes ago, GoalieManPat said:

Yup this right here. Hes from New York but it might as well be Canada since Ogdensburg is a border town. He grew up closer to Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto than he did NYC. In fact Im pretty sure from where to he grew up to Detroit is only an hour longer than it takes to get to NYC from there.

O'burg to NYC - 374.4 - 6h6m

O'burg to Detroit - 474 - 7h16m

O'burg to Buffalo on the other hand... 270....  - 4h18m

Edited November 20, 2016 by FireCaptain

[chaps80 1,591]

On 19/11/2016 at 8:54 PM, kliq said:

I like that. Halak also has a caphit of about 800k less. Not to mention, in the final year of his deal he may very well be easy to trade to a team looking for help due to an injury since he will have an expiring contract.

Was thinking, if Calgary does want Howard, trade for Elliott. $2.5 million cap hit, and is UFA after this season. Calgary could fit Howard's extra $2.8 million under their cap after that I think with LTIR left, but it would be close

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

Howard confirmed in net again tonight. Starting to wonder if this is a case of having little confidence in Mrazek or if they are trying their best to showcase Jimmy.

[chaps80 1,591]

1 hour ago, MabusIncarnate said:

Howard confirmed in net again tonight. Starting to wonder if this is a case of having little confidence in Mrazek or if they are trying their best to showcase Jimmy.

I dunno what the hell is going on anymore. It is what it is. If Jimmy is being showcased, that's good. I doubt they don't have confidence in Mrazek though. No matter who has played, it's been a loss. This team is in trouble..second last in the Conference. I sure as hell didn't think the Wings would be looking up at Toronto in the standings at any point this season..horrific. Oh well, looking good for a lottery pick so far at least.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Solid goalie. NTC and multiple big money years left on his contract. He's not being showcased, there's no way to move him.

Mrazek has failed to live up to the hype and should be traded. 

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Solid goalie. NTC and multiple big money years left on his contract. He's not being showcased, there's no way to move him.

Mrazek has failed to live up to the hype and should be traded. 

Given Howard's inability to stay healthy the last couple of seasons, I'm not sure what sane person would consider Mrazek expendable at this point, let alone right after a solid start.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

Given Howard's inability to stay healthy the last couple of seasons, I'm not sure what sane person would consider Mrazek expendable at this point, let alone right after a solid start.

Petr is barely above 90% and allowing almost 3 goals a game. Top that off with his poor play in playoff games. My sanity isn't the one on trial here.

Howard is the superior goalie right now, and my b**** wife says Coreau is pretty good, but I always take that with a grain of salt. 

[LeftWinger 5,129]

...Howard has a very horrible playoff record...He will not be here to open the LCA. You don't trade Mrazek. Period.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

55 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

...Howard has a very horrible playoff record...He will not be here to open the LCA. You don't trade Mrazek. Period.

Who you gonna trade him to Johnny NTCs-Dont-Matter?

Coreau can probably do what Mrazek is doing for us right now.

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Petr is barely above 90% and allowing almost 3 goals a game. Top that off with his poor play in playoff games. My sanity isn't the one on trial here.

Howard is the superior goalie right now, and my b**** wife says Coreau is pretty good, but I always take that with a grain of salt. 

I'm with you about Howard, he's better right now. I just don't expect him to stay better is all, and by default I'm right, because he's injured. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

I'm with you about Howard, he's better right now. I just don't expect him to stay better is all, and by default I'm right, because he's injured. 

You're +666 right now.

That's metal AF 

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

26 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

You're +666 right now.

That's metal AF 

[chaps80 1,591]

7 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Solid goalie. NTC and multiple big money years left on his contract. He's not being showcased, there's no way to move him.

Mrazek has failed to live up to the hype and should be traded. 

 Howard can be moved. Hell, he could be waived if Holland wanted, but that would be dumb right now. He was trying to move him over the summer, but no one wanted him. Now since he's had a great season so far, his trade value is going up. Hopefully something comes up eventually. Few teams are looking right now. If not, there's always the expansion draft.

4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Who you gonna trade him to Johnny NTCs-Dont-Matter?

Coreau can probably do what Mrazek is doing for us right now.

Howard has a M-NTC, which means he can be traded, but he can provide a list of a certain amount of teams he is willing to go to (I think it's 10). He can also be waived and his contract can be bought out. 

 

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Howard's hit from a butout+ quality backup goalie doesn't save much, if anything. That would be stupid, especially given Mrazek hasn't been nearly consistent enough yet.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, chaps80 said:

 Howard can be moved. Hell, he could be waived if Holland wanted, but that would be dumb right now. He was trying to move him over the summer, but no one wanted him. Now since he's had a great season so far, his trade value is going up. Hopefully something comes up eventually. Few teams are looking right now. If not, there's always the expansion draft.

Howard has a M-NTC, which means he can be traded, but he can provide a list of a certain amount of teams he is willing to go to (I think it's 10). He can also be waived and his contract can be bought out. 

 

Why would u buy out or waive your best goalie?