Detroit goal scoring

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37 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Of course he was... At least we still have Glendening...

as a second line winger

Edited November 15, 2016 by NerveDamage

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Must mean Vanek is nearing his comeback. Or they're putting Miller back in.

[marcaractac 3,963]

39 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Of course he was... At least we still have Glendening...

 

LGW, greatest top 6 forward in all of Michigan!

[NerveDamage 4,176]

6 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

LGW, greatest top 6 forward in all of Michigan!

you know it!

Edited November 15, 2016 by NerveDamage

[joesuffP 1,746]

Imagine being so delusional you can't for one second blame the goal scorers on this team for not scoring goals. No Glendening is the reason we can't score. This teams problems start at the top. The guys getting paid a lot, getting a lot of minutes and power play time and are doing nothing. Enough excuses for these guys

[shocky2002 36]

25 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Imagine being so delusional you can't for one second blame the goal scorers on this team for not scoring goals. No Glendening is the reason we can't score. This teams problems start at the top. The guys getting paid a lot, getting a lot of minutes and power play time and are doing nothing. Enough excuses for these guys

The team stinks. They rank dead last in puck possession. Get over it.

[kliq 3,763]

39 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Imagine being so delusional you can't for one second blame the goal scorers on this team for not scoring goals. No Glendening is the reason we can't score. This teams problems start at the top. The guys getting paid a lot, getting a lot of minutes and power play time and are doing nothing. Enough excuses for these guys

Ignore Bill, he's trolling you. Corsi is his new bait.

Tatar has definitely been a disappointment so far this year, I think you could probably say the same for Abby and Nielson. I cant put any blame on Z, he his playing great for what he has left in the tank. Sure his caphit/production ratio is not great, but I dont think he can do any better with what he has left.

Another issue we have is offense from our D. When 4 points ranks 2nd on our team in points (from a D-man) we have a problem.

[marcaractac 3,963]

8 hours ago, joesuffP said:

Imagine being so delusional you can't for one second blame the goal scorers on this team for not scoring goals. No Glendening is the reason we can't score. This teams problems start at the top. The guys getting paid a lot, getting a lot of minutes and power play time and are doing nothing. Enough excuses for these guys

 

There are two things that make this team bad. Lack of high-end defense and a lack of high-end centers. Because of this, the guys we have who usually can score cannot. 

[chaps80 1,591]

6 hours ago, marcaractac said:

There are two things that make this team bad. Lack of high-end defense and a lack of high-end centers. Because of this, the guys we have who usually can score cannot. 

But that Nielson guy Holland locked up for 6 years at $6 million per...I thought he was supposed to be one of those high-end centers? 

When you look at this team it's just a hodge podge of promising rookies and second year guys, some who aren't quite ready for what's asked of them, middle level vets, lower level vets, and once star calibre vets way past their prime. It's like no real thought was put into it at all, which makes for some weird lines that suffocate otherwise productive players. Nielson had 52 points last season with NYI. I highly doubt he gets anything close to that this season in Detroit. Damn, that's a sad thing to say...

[marcaractac 3,963]

4 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

But that Nielson guy Holland locked up for 6 years at $6 million per...I thought he was supposed to be one of those high-end centers? 

When you look at this team it's just a hodge podge of promising rookies and second year guys, some who aren't quite ready for what's asked of them, middle level vets, lower level vets, and once star calibre vets way past their prime. It's like no real thought was put into it at all, which makes for some weird lines that suffocate otherwise productive players. Nielson had 52 points last season with NYI. I highly doubt he gets anything close to that this season in Detroit. Damn, that's a sad thing to say...

 

Nielson is a solid 2nd line center, not a high-end center. In the end, he is a good guy for the youth on the team to learn from over the next few seasons.  

[chaps80 1,591]

Yeah I know he's not a high end center,but he's paid like one. His highest point total was in the mid-50's.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Yeah I know he's not a high end center,but he's paid like one. His highest point total was in the mid-50's.

Hardly you don't get a high end center for that contract. Nielsen is exactly as advertised a small, soft, non physical second line center tasked to play over his capabilities that's not his fault. He could do his stuff with the Islanders because the opponents where focusing on shutting down JT..so he didn't face the best defenders the other teams have to offer nor their top lines for most of the game.

In short a Player you sign if you want to put your team over the top not someone for a team that should be rebuilding and stay away from long term contracts for veterans.

[marcaractac 3,963]

30 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Yeah I know he's not a high end center,but he's paid like one. His highest point total was in the mid-50's.

 

5.25 million per year is the salary of a high-end center? Maybe 10 years ago. You don't get a high-end center in this league this day and age for anything less than 8 million per.  He is a guy who will spend his career as a #2 or 3 center. Nothing more, nothing less. He is Filppula-esque in every way, salary included. 

[brett 1,029]

we have so many of the same players

neilson Z nyquist tatar all the same player

vanek is different. he can shoot, he can deflect. we need more like him

[kipwinger 8,772]

Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but did anyone else see the "Dougie Hamilton to Detroit" trade speculation from Elliotte Friedman today?  Pure speculation, but Friedman does get quite a lot right. 

For those not familiar with him, he was the one who broke the "Datsyuk retiring" story a month before Datsyuk acknowledged it. 

I'd give Dekeyser + Svech + 2nd for Hamilton. 

[kliq 3,763]

39 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but did anyone else see the "Dougie Hamilton to Detroit" trade speculation from Elliotte Friedman today?  Pure speculation, but Friedman does get quite a lot right. 

For those not familiar with him, he was the one who broke the "Datsyuk retiring" story a month before Datsyuk acknowledged it. 

I'd give Dekeyser + Svech + 2nd for Hamilton. 

What is the story with him and Calgary? He was a guy that everybody wanted a couple years ago, but now that they got him the Flames are already selling? Just not a good fit in Calgary? Or is it a cap thing? 

Elliot is only signed for 1 year, maybe he and Howard are swapped in a deal? 

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8 minutes ago, kliq said:

What is the story with him and Calgary? He was a guy that everybody wanted a couple years ago, but now that they got him the Flames are already selling? Just not a good fit in Calgary? Or is it a cap thing? 

Elliot is only signed for 1 year, maybe he and Howard are swapped in a deal? 

I honestly don't know.  He scored 43 points for them last season, and his advanced numbers are excellent, so it's not like he's played bad.  He's also 23 years old and like 6'6 and 210 lbs.  I'm baffled why they'd be looking to move him. 

But if you're Detroit you've gotta look hard at this.  Dekeyser isn't playing too well, and Kronwall legitimately could (speculation) retire soon if his knee stays this bad.  Even with as good as Sproul has looked you've got to take a run at Hamilton if he's available. 

 

Edited November 17, 2016 by kipwinger

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36 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I honestly don't know.  He scored 43 points for them last season, and his advanced numbers are excellent, so it's not like he's played bad.  He's also 23 years old and like 6'6 and 210 lbs.  I'm baffled why they'd be looking to move him. 

But if you're Detroit you've gotta look hard at this.  Dekeyser isn't playing too well, and Kronwall legitimately could (speculation) retire soon if his knee stays this bad.  Even with as good as Sproul has looked you've got to take a run at Hamilton if he's available. 

 

I would love to get Dougie, its just odd that a team trades for someone, locks him up long term, and then shops him. I would take trading for an already established 23 year old top tier player, then hoping to find one in the draft any day.

[krsmith17 7,191]

Hamilton would be an amazing add for this team. Same as Trouba, he's the type of player you have to be willing to overpay for. I'd give up a significant amount for a defenseman of that caliber. What exactly did you read from Friedman though kip? The only thing I seen on it was in his "30 Thoughts" article...

"That brings us to Dougie Hamilton. Nick Kypreos mentioned the rumours last weekend. Hamilton’s name has been in and out of NHL whispering circles since the draft, but Calgary GM Brad Treliving has always denied them. What no one can dispute is Hamilton’s minutes per game: 17:07 as a rookie, then 19:06, a career-high 21:20 in his third year, 19:46 and 18:26 so far in season five — fifth among Flames blueliners. He’s been above 20 minutes once since Oct. 20. His last three games saw him play 16:24, 14:39 and 15:56. If you trade him now, you might be selling low, but I think there are teams who believe they can make a better player out of him yet. He’s 23. Wonder if Detroit, having struck out so far on Cam Fowler and Jacob Trouba, would have interest.

Here's another SportsNet article on what Kypreos said last weekend...

With a 5-9-1 record, the start of the season hasn’t gone according to plan for the Calgary Flames. And though they may not be prepared to make a move yet to try and get back on course, Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos said on Hockey Night in Canada’s Headlines segment that there are at least two teams out there inquiring about a trade.

The part of Calgary’s roster with the most depth is the blueline, so if the Flames ever did make a trade they might start there. Kypreos said the two inquiring teams had especially focused on 23-year-old Dougie Hamilton.

“As far as trade talks are concerned you hear Dougie Hamilton’s name out there,” Kypreos said, before downplaying Calgary’s interest in moving him right now. “I don’t suggest for one second that Calgary’s shopping this guy, but there are teams inquiring. The two teams I’m hearing that are kicking tires are Arizona and Pittsburgh.”

The problem, from Calgary’s perspective, is that Hamilton hasn’t yet developed into the player they thought they were getting from Boston. He has just two goals and six points in 15 games and is fifth among Flames defencemen with an average of 18:49 of ice time per game.

Calgary got Hamilton from Boston in June of 2015 for a first-round pick and two seconds.

"I think if you’re Calgary you’re focused on this guy playing a lot better first," Kypreos continued. "If you are in fact going to think about trading him you gotta trade him when the stock is high and right now, unfortunately in Calgary, it's not."

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8 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Hamilton would be a great fit on this team.  DeKeyser is a 2nd pairing guy playing 1st pairing minutes.  Gotta pry OEL out of Phoenix and Hamilton out of Calgary.

 

OEL-Hamilton

Dekeyser-Green

Smith-Sproul

 

That aint too bad.

That's pretty good, but I would also add Erik Karlsson and Drew Doughty and Roman Josi.

[kliq 3,763]

2 hours ago, Dabura said:

That's pretty good, but I would also add Erik Karlsson and Drew Doughty and Roman Josi.

Dont forget Subban and Weber for the third pairing.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

12 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but did anyone else see the "Dougie Hamilton to Detroit" trade speculation from Elliotte Friedman today?  Pure speculation, but Friedman does get quite a lot right. 

For those not familiar with him, he was the one who broke the "Datsyuk retiring" story a month before Datsyuk acknowledged it. 

I'd give Dekeyser + Svech + 2nd for Hamilton. 

Whew! That is too high for Hamilton. I admire your enthusiasm and want to get him, but even Kypreos thinks his value isn't too high right now. Not sure about the rumors they are interested in Howard, but IMO, DD, Svech and a 2nd is too much.  Besides KH loves his draft picks, especially his 2nd rounders!

What is the asking price? Not sure, but you probably arent too far off with what they'd expect to get in return. I just think they'll get a lot less than they want.

 

I am liking two trades, Howard+ for Hamilton and Mantha/Nyquist for Fowler.

Edited November 17, 2016 by LeftWinger

[joesuffP 1,746]

I wouldn't look too deeply into those tweets it's just experts speculating based on our needs and theirs. I won't get excited until I hear Holland is meeting with GM's

[kliq 3,763]

40 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Whew! That is too high for Hamilton. I admire your enthusiasm and want to get him, but even Kypreos thinks his value isn't too high right now. Not sure about the rumors they are interested in Howard, but IMO, DD, Svech and a 2nd is too much.  Besides KH loves his draft picks, especially his 2nd rounders!

What is the asking price? Not sure, but you probably arent too far off with what they'd expect to get in return. I just think they'll get a lot less than they want.

 

I am liking two trades, Howard+ for Hamilton and Mantha/Nyquist for Fowler.

That + would be the big question. If Howard is involved it would have to be like Howard/Tatar/First Rounder/2nd Rounder for Elliot/Hamilton. Remember Calgary gave up a 1st and two 2nd's for him. They are not going to take an immediate loss on him.

39 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

I wouldn't look too deeply into those tweets it's just experts speculating based on our needs and theirs. I won't get excited until I hear Holland is meeting with GM's

I dont think GM's physically meet to discuss a trade unless its the GM meetings, or they are facing each other and in the same city.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

10 minutes ago, kliq said:

That + would be the big question. If Howard is involved it would have to be like Howard/Tatar/First Rounder/2nd Rounder for Elliot/Hamilton. Remember Calgary gave up a 1st and two 2nd's for him. They are not going to take an immediate loss on him.

I dont think GM's physically meet to discuss a trade unless its the GM meetings, or they are facing each other and in the same city.

I'd be ok with Howard/Tatar/2nd.  Don't really need Elliot, so maybe ditch the 2nd?

 

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