krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 15, 2017 I'd trade our first round pick for a top pair defenseman in a heartbeat. This is a weak draft class, and there aren't really any can't miss guys. Sure, we need an elite center, but I still think an elite defenseman is a bigger priority for us right now. As good as Patrick is projected to be (I don't think we'll get the number one pick), I'd still take the sure(er) thing in Trouba, who fills a bigger hole for us right now... I just think it's going to cost us more than just our first round pick, and forget about getting any picks back in return. Would anyone here trade Mantha and a 2nd round pick for a chance at a top 6 pick? I wouldn't, and I wouldn't even consider Mantha to be at the level of Trouba (yet). We know what we have in Mantha, just like Winnipeg knows what they have in Trouba, and every GM will take the known player over the crap shoot every time... 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringBack19 110 Report post Posted February 15, 2017 I would say Mantha is at the very least the same level of Trouba respective of position. I agree with everything else you say. The question is what is Trouba's ceiling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringBack19 110 Report post Posted February 15, 2017 On 2/13/2017 at 0:29 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Would be pretty ridiculous if we won the lottery, 29 teams would be pissed. AA - Larkin - Mantha ?? - Patrick - ?? That would be a nice little young nucleus to build around. Gosh darn we need Dmen though. Looking at this and realizing we don't have any real promising centers in the minors puts center as the top necessity. Z only has a year or two left, Nielsen is not a #1, and most importantly is Larkin even going to develop as a center? This could be a long rebuild. The only position of strength in the whole organization is wingers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, BringBack19 said: Looking at this and realizing we don't have any real promising centers in the minors puts center as the top necessity. Z only has a year or two left, Nielsen is not a #1, and most importantly is Larkin even going to develop as a center? This could be a long rebuild. The only position of strength in the whole organization is wingers. Well AA and Larkin are both originally centers, and a lot of other players can play C. Nielsen, Ott, Helm, Zberg, Sheahan, Glendening. Holmstrom is also a promising center prospect. The priority for me is D-men. The only top 4 Dmen on this team right now are DK and Green. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 so say we can't trade for trouba at all and end up keeping our first, we get 5th overall, and centers are taken 1-4.... do you draft Liljegren at 5? He seems like he comes with some risk but the more I read about him, the more I like him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 Right now we're sitting 3rd, can't fall lower than 6. Top 6 latest rankings are Patrick, Hischier, Vivaldi, Rasmussen, Nicas and Liljegren. All centers except Liljegren. Even at #3, I can assume who Holland would take...he loves his Swedish Defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, amato said: so say we can't trade for trouba at all and end up keeping our first, we get 5th overall, and centers are taken 1-4.... do you draft Liljegren at 5? He seems like he comes with some risk but the more I read about him, the more I like him. I know this wouldn't be a popular decision, but I'd consider trading the pick, either for an immediate upgrade to the roster, or trade back for another pick. I'm just still not really sold on Liljegren... Trade back a few spots and take Tippett, while adding another 2nd rounder, or trade back 10-15 spots and take Foote, while adding another late first... 2 LeftWinger and kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 1 minute ago, LeftWinger said: Right now we're sitting 3rd, can't fall lower than 6. Top 6 latest rankings are Patrick, Hischier, Vivaldi, Rasmussen, Nicas and Liljegren. All centers except Liljegren. Even at #3, I can assume who Holland would take...he loves his Swedish Defense. Vegas gets the same odds as 3rd from last and is guaranteed no lower than 6th so we can fall to 7th.. but that would be very unlikely. I think I like Liljegren at 4th after the first 3 you named. Although I haven't done a ton of studying past reading summaries and watching highlights of the guys you've listed plus a few others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: I know this wouldn't be a popular decision, but I'd consider trading the pick, either for an immediate upgrade to the roster, or trade back for another pick. I'm just still not really sold on Liljegren... Trade back a few spots and take Tippett, while adding another 2nd rounder, or trade back 10-15 spots and take Foote, while adding another late first... IF Trouba is out of the question, I am absolutely in for something like this. Liljegren has been somewhat underwhelming this season, according to reports, and was demoted to the second level league in Sweden. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I know this wouldn't be a popular decision, but I'd consider trading the pick, either for an immediate upgrade to the roster, or trade back for another pick. I'm just still not really sold on Liljegren... Trade back a few spots and take Tippett, while adding another 2nd rounder, or trade back 10-15 spots and take Foote, while adding another late first... I am a fan of offensive defensemen, so I think that's why I like Liljegren. I do like the idea of trading back and adding a second though.. how do you feel about Hague? Him or Foote would be the target if we traded back a bit, I'd think. I'd like either of them.. and the idea of a Foote on the wings would be funny I'm for it. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringBack19 110 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, amato said: so say we can't trade for trouba at all and end up keeping our first, we get 5th overall, and centers are taken 1-4.... do you draft Liljegren at 5? He seems like he comes with some risk but the more I read about him, the more I like him. No, I would take Middlestadt at that point. He has more than a little Patty Kane in his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, BringBack19 said: No, I would take Middlestadt at that point. He has more than a little Patty Kane in his game. Don't think I've checked him out yet, I will when I get a chance. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 I'd rather have a chance at landing Nolan Patrick than getting Trouba via a trade.I want both, after next year Trouba will be an UFA so he can choose his destination. I'm sure getting Patrick would make the wings a more favorable target for him.I would try to get Liljegren or Foote (if he is willing to report) at 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 Trouba will be an RFA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Other than Adam being his father - why wouldn't the younger Foote want to be a Red Wing? Yeah that's the only reason I can think of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 If it was possible, I would much rather trade for Trouba a kid who is going to be a stud in this league then draft a guy who COULD be a good player. Unless there is a can't miss prospect available, I say trade the pick to Winnipeg for Trouba prior to the expansion draft. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, kliq said: If it was possible, I would much rather trade for Trouba a kid who is going to be a stud in this league then draft a guy who COULD be a good player. Unless there is a can't miss prospect available, I say trade the pick to Winnipeg for Trouba prior to the expansion draft. I don't care to protect either of Ericsson or Kronwall anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I don't care to protect either of Ericsson or Kronwall anyway Agreed, I protect DD, Trouba and one of XO/Sproul (if we can trade Green). 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, kliq said: Agreed, I protect DD, Trouba and one of XO/Sproul (if we can trade Green). Yeah I keep Green and protect him, Trouba, and DK. Expose the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 16, 2017 I'd hate to leave any of the three D kids exposed, but I think you guys are right because odds are vegas would select Nyquist or Tatar or Helm before they take XO, Sproul or Jensen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I'd hate to leave any of the three D kids exposed, but I think you guys are right because odds are vegas would select Nyquist or Tatar or Helm before they take XO, Sproul or Jensen. The thing for me, is next year at the deadline I could see Green getting us a first round pick, and at this point as much as I like XO and Sproul, I think a 1st rounder > XO or Sproul. 2 krsmith17 and derblaueClaus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I'd hate to leave any of the three D kids exposed, but I think you guys are right because odds are vegas would select Nyquist or Tatar or Helm before they take XO, Sproul or Jensen. We overvalue the kids because of their age. Add 5 years to any of their ages with these stats, and no one would care. It's cool theyre getting playing time, and I hope at least one develops into something more, but none have shown theyre going to be top 4 Dmen yet. Should be safe from vegas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 17, 2017 I agree with both of you. I only wish we could acquire Trouba to complete you scenarios. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoweFan 74 Report post Posted February 17, 2017 For arguments sake I'm going to say we pick in the 4-7 range this year. I have a suspicion we will take Elias Petterson. While he's not my choice I guess I wouldn't throw a fit if we did. He's having too good a year, and Hakan's influence will swing it. Personally I seem to be wavering every week as to who my choice is. The ones I really hope we don't take with our first pick are Tolvanen, Kostin, and maybe Necas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted February 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, HoweFan said: For arguments sake I'm going to say we pick in the 4-7 range this year. I have a suspicion we will take Elias Petterson. While he's not my choice I guess I wouldn't throw a fit if we did. He's having too good a year, and Hakan's influence will swing it. Personally I seem to be wavering every week as to who my choice is. The ones I really hope we don't take with our first pick are Tolvanen, Kostin, and maybe Necas. As long as we don't grab another 5'10" 175 lbs forward. Tired of our "goal scorers" being small and easily thrown around. 2 krsmith17 and The Datsyukian Deke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites