Targets for the Wings

[kickazz 5,459]

17 minutes ago, e_prime said:

I think that's part of his problem.  Too much going on in that puny brain of his. He forgets he's not as good as he is because he thinks about how much he's getting paid, and tries to do something fancy or out of his skill-set. Gets burned. Takes bad penalty.

Also I think the Toronto fans scarred his confidence for life. They did not treat him well; then again he wasn't really a good captain either. 

Edited June 15, 2017 by kickazz

[e_prime 1,936]

For sure, kick.  He was in wayyyyyy over his head in TO.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Yzerman is apparently listening to offers on more than a few players in Tampa

• Drouin (has to be the right offer, Habs have expressed interest OBVIOUSLY)
• Johnson (Habs have also expressed interest on)
• Garrison
• Killorn

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yzerman is apparently listening to offers on more than a few players in Tampa

• Drouin (has to be the right offer, Habs have expressed interest OBVIOUSLY)
• Johnson (Habs have also expressed interest on)
• Garrison
• Killorn

Drouin, now that's a kid I'd like to see us go after. Again, similar package I'd offer for Duchene or Galchenyuk (maybe a little more), but we should be inquiring if he is indeed available.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Drouin, now that's a kid I'd like to see us go after. Again, similar package I'd offer for Duchene or Galchenyuk (maybe a little more), but we should be inquiring if he is indeed available.

Pagnotta made it sound like Yzerman will be very picky in a deal for Drouin. Not sure if we have what it takes to get him. I know Tampa wants D unfortunately.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Add Sustr to the list, i like him as a bottom pair guy and before you all shout out we have enough bottom pair guys, he is an up grade on our 4-6 guys and he plays with a mean streak and makes the forwards pay the price. Still young at 26 RH as well, so if we arent looking at bringing any D up from GR which i doubt id take him. Maybe we lose a young D in the trade Kenny is doing (LOL) to get that top pair guy, so Sustr would fit in nicely.

[BadgerBob 297]

1 minute ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

Add Sustr to the list, i like him as a bottom pair guy and before you all shout out we have enough bottom pair guys, he is an up grade on our 4-6 guys and he plays with a mean streak and makes the forwards pay the price. Still young at 26 RH as well, so if we arent looking at bringing any D up from GR which i doubt id take him. Maybe we lose a young D in the trade Kenny is doing (LOL) to get that top pair guy, so Sustr would fit in nicely.

Add the fact that he's 6'8". That range covers a lot of ice.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

yep there is that BB, him Tyler Myers could be quite the pairing.

[BadgerBob 297]

6 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/galchenyuk-situation-montreal-reminiscent-seguin-192134676.html

 

CRL,

 

What would you offer for Galcheynuk?  I think Nyquist and a 2nd might get it done.  

Welp. Drouin and a 6th to Montreal for Mikhail Sergachev and a conditional 2nd

Edited June 15, 2017 by BadgerBob
Clarification

[The Datsyukian Deke 127]

Same s***, different day - other GMs make the deals and we just "kicked the tires"

[kickazz 5,459]

1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Yup.  Our gm is a total bafoon.  We have zero chance with him directing things.

Deal with it. 

[LeftWinger 5,152]

We all know he'll do nothing. He is still eating off the scraps of Scotty Bowman's team. He can't build anything...

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Holland is going to make this team worse. 

Then he'll surprise us all, and we'll all be like, rah rah rah rah rah rah rah.

But ya, we know he wont.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Wew lads, apparently there is a 7 team bidding war for Jordan Eberle right now. I love expansion years. Much excite.

[Dabura 12,232]

16 hours ago, Buppy said:

I thought you'd throw out Jeff Carter, then I could have said "How'd that work out for Columbus?". Victory! But you ruined it, thanks a lot. Burns doesn't quite fit, since it was a late 1st plus SJ got a 2nd back.

Burns isn't a perfect parallel, but it's pretty dang close. It was a late 1st, but Coyle was probably sexier then than Saarijarvi is now, so it balances out somewhat. And I'd just kind of taken it as a given that Colorado would also be giving us a pick, in addition to Duchene. I probably should've stated that, though.

16 hours ago, Buppy said:

I think the #9 plus Saarijarvi (or a similar prospect) is just too much to pay for what is a fairly minor upgrade over Tatar/Nyquist. It could be worth it in the right situation...if Duchene actually was the piece we thought would put us over the top...just not in our current situation. Short term it's only a small upgrade, plus probably pushes Larkin to the wing. Long term, assuming Duchene even stays around past UFA, I don't think it helps unless a lot of other things go well. But if things do go well, it removes a lot of the need for someone like Duchene.

I get that center is a position of concern, and that he could potentially solidify our top-6 centers for many years. And sure, that'd be a good thing. Just not #9 + Nyquist good. Our 2nd instead would be worth it, and I'd do that if I was convinced that we couldn't get a defenseman. I would probably do the #9 alone, but that would have to come with a few extra moves to make the cap work. But I don't think trading Duchene for a forward makes sense for the Avs unless they're getting overpaid. Similarly I don't think it makes sense for us unless we're underpaying.

That's perfectly fair, and I don't firmly disagree with anything you're saying. I'd definitely do 2nd + Tatar/Nyquist, provided Duchene was our best option. I wouldn't necessarily do 1st + Tatar/Nyquist (+ Saarijarvi), but, like I've said, I'd seriously consider it.

[Dabura 12,232]

I've always liked Galchenyuk. If they trade him, I figure it'd be for a centerman.

For us, that'd be Larkin. Galchenyuk is more proven and is probably the better player right now, but he's also three years older.

If not Larkin...Athanasiou? I wonder if Athanasiou plus a couple lesser pieces couldn't get us there. It's Marc Bergevin, so who knows.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Dabura

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

There's no way I would trade either Larkin or AA in a trade for Galchenyuk for the simple reason that those assets are much more cost-controlled than him. 

He's approaching the end of his RFA status and is going to want to get paid soon. Plus I really don't think his ceiling is any higher.

[krsmith17 7,191]

9 minutes ago, Son of a Wing said:

There's no way I would trade either Larkin or AA in a trade for Galchenyuk for the simple reason that those assets are much more cost-controlled than him. 

He's approaching the end of his RFA status and is going to want to get paid soon. Plus I really don't think his ceiling is any higher.

Yeah, seems like a lateral move to me. If we're looking to acquire a center, it needs to be using other assets, other than our top two (potential) future centers...

[Dabura 12,232]

Guys, I'm spitballing. It's all I have left. Don't take this away from me. I need it.

I wouldn't trade Larkin for Galchenyuk, largely because, like I said, Larkin is three years younger.

I'd consider trading Athanasiou for Galchenyuk because they're roughly the same age and Galchenyuk has accomplished more at the NHL level and will probably be the better player when all is sad and done. Cost control is a key consideration, but I believe we'd be getting the better player, so it probably wouldn't keep me up at night, especially with some big contracts coming off our books over the next two or three years.

Again, though, just spitballing. Truth is, Holland won't trade Larkin for anyone not named McDavid or Karlsson. And Athanasiou's trade value probably isn't very high.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Dabura

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Guys, I'm spitballing. It's all I have left. Don't take this away from me. I need it.

I wouldn't trade Larkin for Galchenyuk, largely because, like I said, Larkin is three years younger.

I'd consider trading Athanasiou for Galchenyuk because they're roughly the same age and Galchenyuk has accomplished more at the NHL level and will probably be the better player when all is sad and done. Cost control is a key consideration, but I believe we'd be getting the better player, so it probably wouldn't keep me up at night, especially with some big contracts coming off our books over the next two or three years.

Again, though, just spitballing. Truth is, Holland won't trade Larkin for anyone not named McDavid or Karlsson. And Athanasiou's trade value probably isn't very high.

I'd trade Athansiou for Galchenyuk straight up, but that's not going to get it done. That's why I'd say no. I don't think I'd do Athanasiou, Saarijarvi and a 3rd (for example), which is around what I think it would cost us... 

[Dabura 12,232]

You forget: Bergevin is crazy.

Tell him AA is a real good locker room guy and he speaks French and he would respect da system and da culture and he would be a real good guy who would be real good, while also being a guy, a guy who happens to be real good (especially in the locker room).

[krsmith17 7,191]

14 minutes ago, Dabura said:

You forget: Bergevin is crazy.

Tell him AA is a real good locker room guy and he speaks French and he would respect da system and da culture and he would be a real good guy who would be real good, while also being a guy, a guy who happens to be real good (especially in the locker room).

How about Ouellet, 2nd round pick and Nastasiuk for Galchenyuk?...

[Dabura 12,232]

12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

How about Ouellet, 2nd round pick and Nastasiuk for Galchenyuk?...

No! Nastasiuk is a franchise goalie. Use your brain, smithbro. This is serious business.

[krsmith17 7,191]

19 minutes ago, Dabura said:

No! Nastasiuk is a franchise goalie. Use your brain, smithbro. This is serious business.

He might have a better shot at making the NHL if he switched to goalie...

[Dabura 12,232]

36 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

He might have a better shot at making the NHL if he switched to goalie...

It's what I like to call the Red Right Hand Rule.

There are two parts.

First, if you are a right-shooting forward and a Red Wings prospect or fringe Red Wings roster player, you do not have a future with the Red Wings.

#Jarnkrok #Callahan #Glendening #Frk #Nastasiuk #Campbell

Second, if you are a highly skilled right-shooting forward who was signed by the Red Wings as a UFA, you will play one season with the Red Wings, perform well, and then f*** off.

#Brunner #Alfredsson #Vanek #Jagr(SOON)

It's science.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Dabura