Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted October 10, 2020 So where do we stand on the Expansion draft? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,842 Report post Posted October 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: So where do we stand on the Expansion draft? As of right now we have like 10 guys on the roster next offseason. I don’t know if that’s good or bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: As of right now we have like 10 guys on the roster next offseason. I don’t know if that’s good or bad. Id say thats good i dont know when the expansion draft is but im guessing teams will have time to sign players before the expansion draft occurs? as of now we’ll likely have one of stecher/dekeyser available on the back end and id possibly sign timashov x2 750k and he’d be available for expansion and cheap enough where hes easy to get rid of 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Id say thats good i dont know when the expansion draft is but im guessing teams will have time to sign players before the expansion draft occurs? as of now we’ll likely have one of stecher/dekeyser available on the back end and id possibly sign timashov x2 750k and he’d be available for expansion and cheap enough where hes easy to get rid of Why wouldnt you protect Timo? The only other F to protect are Larkin, Bert, Mantha, Fabbri, and Rasmussen. Svech and Timo would be 6 and 7. Erne would be a RFA. Helm, Glenny, Gagner, Filppula, and Ryan would all be traded or UFA's and Zadina doesn't need to be protected. Wings must expose at least 2 forwards: Nielsen, Erne, Hirose, Smith. Edit: DeKeyser could be protected as well, along with Hronek and Stecher on D. Seider wouldn't need protected. Merrill, Staal, Biega, and Nemeth would all be traded or UFA's. Wings must expose at least 1D: Lindstrom, Cholowski. This is really the only question mark for me. If Lindstrom or Cholowski prove they have a long term future with the Wings, they could be protected over DeKeyser. We'll see. Edited October 11, 2020 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Why wouldnt you protect Timo? The only other F to protect are Larkin, Bert, Mantha, Fabbri, and Rasmussen. Svech and Timo would be 6 and 7. Erne would be a RFA. Helm, Glenny, Gagner, Filppula, and Ryan would all be traded or UFA's and Zadina doesn't need to be protected. Wings must expose at least 2 forwards: Nielsen, Erne, Hirose, Smith. Edit: DeKeyser could be protected as well, along with Hronek and Stecher on D. Seider wouldn't need protected. Merrill, Staal, Biega, and Nemeth would all be traded or UFA's. Wings must expose at least 1D: Lindstrom, Cholowski. This is really the only question mark for me. If Lindstrom or Cholowski prove they have a long term future with the Wings, they could be protected over DeKeyser. We'll see. Expansion draft requirements , and in the grand scheme of things i dont think timashov will be here in 2-3-4 yrs so he’d have to be one of the two guys required including nielsen We have to have guys who played in 40+ games the previous season or 70 last two combined and i cant see hirose and erne being in that mix and definetly not smith(i would have protected smith anyways cause we dont have anyone like him on the team) Draft requirements means someone like dekeyser or stecher would have to be exposed ... unles cholowski is a complete disaster and we move on from him , as of today id protect him and lindstrom with them being 22/23 ... dekeyser has one year left , aging had injury problems i doubt anyone takes him , he might not even be a valid player to be exposed if he doesnt play enougn games which would then mean stecher would be exposed which is why im guessing yzerman gave him two years Edited October 11, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Expansion draft requirements , and in the grand scheme of things i dont think timashov will be here in 2-3-4 yrs so he’d have to be one of the two guys required including nielsen We have to have guys who played in 40+ games the previous season or 70 last two combined and i cant see hirose and erne being in that mix and definetly not smith(i would have protected smith anyways cause we dont have anyone like him on the team) Draft requirements means someone like dekeyser or stecher would have to be exposed ... unles cholowski is a complete disaster and we move on from him , as of today id protect him and lindstrom with them being 22/23 ... dekeyser has one year left , aging had injury problems i doubt anyone takes him , he might not even be a valid player to be exposed if he doesnt play enougn games which would then mean stecher would be exposed which is why im guessing yzerman gave him two years Erne played in 56 games last season. He only has to play in 14 games this season (highly likely) to meet the 70 games over 2 seasons requirement. He will be one of the 2 forwards exposed ( Nielsen being the other) that will meet the games played requirement. Timo and Svech can both be protected easily. Cholowski will most likely be exposed as well. The games played requirement on D will be filled by either DeKeyser or Lindstrom. It really just depends on who plays better this season and what future Lindstrom has in Detroit. So again, the forwards who will be ptotected are: Larkin, Bert, Mantha, Fabbri, Rasmussen, Timo, and Svech. 2 Forwards available that meet GP requirement: Nielsen, Erne (must be under contract tho) Other notables available: Smith, Hirose Defensemen protected: Hronek, Stecher, Lindstrom or DK. 1 Dman available that meets GP requirement: DeKeyser or Lindstrom Other notables available: Cholowski This is how I see it going down. Edited October 11, 2020 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Cholowski will most likely be exposed as well. The games played requirement on D will be filled by either DeKeyser or Lindstrom. It really just depends on who plays better this season and what future Lindstrom has in Detroit. We'll see how this season goes, but as it stands right now, I don't see Yzerman protecting DeKeyser over Cholowski. DeKeyser will be 31 years old, coming off pretty serious back surgery. If he comes back strong, and plays 70+ games, having a positive impact, maybe he'll be protected. Cholowski will be 23 years old, just entering his prime. If he struggles to stay in the lineup, maybe he'll be exposed, but I think Yzerman would choose to trade him, before giving up on him this early, with nothing to show for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: We'll see how this season goes, but as it stands right now, I don't see Yzerman protecting DeKeyser over Cholowski. DeKeyser will be 31 years old, coming off pretty serious back surgery. If he comes back strong, and plays 70+ games, having a positive impact, maybe he'll be protected. Cholowski will be 23 years old, just entering his prime. If he struggles to stay in the lineup, maybe he'll be exposed, but I think Yzerman would choose to trade him, before giving up on him this early, with nothing to show for it. With Lindstrom in the mix, it may not matter. I would prefers him over Cholowski based on how well the 2 have played so far. Keep in mind too that DK, even at 31, would be the veteran of the defense. I would imagine Yzerman would want some experience back there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: With Lindstrom in the mix, it may not matter. I would prefers him over Cholowski based on how well the 2 have played so far. Keep in mind too that DK, even at 31, would be the veteran of the defense. I would imagine Yzerman would want some experience back there. Again, we'll see how the season goes. A lot can change in the next 9 months before the expansion draft. The only real lock to be protected on the back end is Hronek. Then it'll be two more of DeKeyser, Stecher, Cholowski and Lindstrom. Right now, I'd choose the latter two, based on age and upside, but we'll see how each perform this season. Also, regarding DeKeyser's veteran leadership, if he were exposed and taken (I doubt he would be), Yzerman could then take that $5M and acquire another veteran, with less injury concerns, in free agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Again, we'll see how the season goes. A lot can change in the next 9 months before the expansion draft. The only real lock to be protected on the back end is Hronek. Then it'll be two more of DeKeyser, Stecher, Cholowski and Lindstrom. Right now, I'd choose the latter two, based on age and upside, but we'll see how each perform this season. Also, regarding DeKeyser's veteran leadership, if he were exposed and taken (I doubt he would be), Yzerman could then take that $5M and acquire another veteran, with less injury concerns, in free agency. Entirely possible. Stecher could end up being awful. I really know nothing about him. Who knows? Maybe Yzerman signed him specifically to a 2 year deal for the expansion draft. I don't want to lose Cholowski, but as of right now, I would chose to protect Hronek, Stecher, and Lindstrom. Dmen at DeKeysers level are easy to get in free agency, so not a huge loss. But, sometimes there's something to keeping a veteran around who's been with the team a while. He knows the system, coaches, players, etc. A new vet doesnt have that experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,842 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Stecher could end up being awful. I really know nothing about him. Who knows? Maybe Yzerman signed him specifically to a 2 year deal for the expansion draft. I think thats very possible. I didn't know much about him either but after looking around I can tell you Vancouver fans are pissed they let him go after seeing what he signed with us for. He's a depth defenseman no doubt but he did play on Team Canada this last World Championship. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Entirely possible. Stecher could end up being awful. I really know nothing about him. Who knows? Maybe Yzerman signed him specifically to a 2 year deal for the expansion draft. I think that definitely played a factor into it being a two year deal. From everything I've heard and read on Stecher, he's a very underrated defenseman, and Canucks fans are pissed that Benning let him walk. Hopefully he's a good fit in Detroit. 8 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I don't want to lose Cholowski, but as of right now, I would chose to protect Hronek, Stecher, and Lindstrom. I'd choose to keep Cholowski over both Stecher and Lindstrom at this point, just because I believe he has a much higher upside. Much like DeKeyser, players like Lindstrom (defensive defensemen with limited offense) are a dime a dozen in free agency. Even if Cholowski is a complete bust, I wouldn't see losing Lindstrom as any more of a loss than losing Nosek a couple years ago in the Vegas expansion draft. 12 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Dmen at DeKeysers level are easy to get in free agency, so not a huge loss. But, sometimes there's something to keeping a veteran around who's been with the team a while. He knows the system, coaches, players, etc. A new vet doesnt have that experience. To be fair, some, if not all of these things will change drastically over the next couple seasons. We're going to have a huge turnover on the ice, and potentially behind the bench, and with that, systems should change with as well, so that point may be moot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) Yzerman signed Namestnikov, two years, 2 mil AAV Edited October 11, 2020 by marcaractac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Erne played in 56 games last season. He only has to play in 14 games this season (highly likely) to meet the 70 games over 2 seasons requirement. He will be one of the 2 forwards exposed ( Nielsen being the other) that will meet the games played requirement. Timo and Svech can both be protected easily. Cholowski will most likely be exposed as well. The games played requirement on D will be filled by either DeKeyser or Lindstrom. It really just depends on who plays better this season and what future Lindstrom has in Detroit. So again, the forwards who will be ptotected are: Larkin, Bert, Mantha, Fabbri, Rasmussen, Timo, and Svech. 2 Forwards available that meet GP requirement: Nielsen, Erne (must be under contract tho) Other notables available: Smith, Hirose Defensemen protected: Hronek, Stecher, Lindstrom or DK. 1 Dman available that meets GP requirement: DeKeyser or Lindstrom Other notables available: Cholowski This is how I see it going down. Erne might not even make the roster ... i cant for the life of me seeing us protect dekeyser with one yr left on his deal and his injury ordeals . Makes zero sense and i wouldnt lose sleep if we lost him not sure svechnikov stays now depending how it goes but id 100% protect smith over timashov , we dont have a physical player like smith who can drop the gloves occasionally and also score the dirty goals i protect cholowski unless he goes completely downhill next season im ok with timashov,stecher,hirose,dekeyser being exposed stecher mignt play great this season and maybe we’ll think we can resign him otherwise wouldnt make too much sense to protect a guy with one year left over two kids unless again they completely fall off the map or we just see them as a 6/7 and value stecher more Edited October 11, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 This now changes with Namestikov signing. Svech or Timo now get exposed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: This now changes with Namestikov signing. Svech or Timo now get exposed. Or more than likely a trade before then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Erne might not even make the roster ... i cant for the life of me seeing us protect dekeyser with one yr left on his deal and his injury ordeals . Makes zero sense and i wouldnt lose sleep if we lost him not sure svechnikov stays now depending how it goes but id 100% protect smith over timashov , we dont have a physical player like smith who can drop the gloves occasionally and also score the dirty goals i protect cholowski unless he goes completely downhill next season im ok with timashov,stecher,hirose,dekeyser being exposed stecher mignt play great this season and maybe we’ll think we can resign him otherwise wouldnt make too much sense to protect a guy with one year left over two kids unless again they completely fall off the map or we just see them as a 6/7 and value stecher more Erne doesnt have to make the roster. As a regular call up he could still get 14 games easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Or more than likely a trade before then. But who? The forwards who would still presumably be here are Bert, Larkin, Mantha, Zadina, Fabbri, Rasmussen, Timashov, Svech, Namestnikov, Nielsen, Erne, Hirose, Smith. Ryan, Helm, Glendening, Filppula, Gagner would all be gone via trade or free agency and would have no affect on the expansion draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: But who? The forwards who would still presumably be here are Bert, Larkin, Mantha, Zadina, Fabbri, Rasmussen, Timashov, Svech, Namestnikov, Nielsen, Erne, Hirose, Smith. Ryan, Helm, Glendening, Filppula, Gagner would all be gone via trade or free agency and would have no affect on the expansion draft. I wouldn't presume all of those players will be here beyond this season. You just listed 18 forwards. I'm just saying, I expect a few players to be traded or waived before the season starts, and maybe a few others unexpected through the season. I highly doubt that expansion draft list of players is the exact same 9 months from now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 458 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 I didn´t know that Namestnikov is a local kid and Slava Kozlov his uncle https://www.nhl.com/redwings/video/namestnikov--press-conference/t-277437404/c-6809215 1 Keep Your Stick On the Ice reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, ely s said: I didn´t know that Namestnikov is a local kid and Slava Kozlov his uncle https://www.nhl.com/redwings/video/namestnikov--press-conference/t-277437404/c-6809215 Yeah. He definitely doesnt speak English like a Russian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted October 12, 2020 10 hours ago, marcaractac said: Yzerman signed Namestnikov, two years, 2 mil AAV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted October 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, F.Michael said: but at $2 million per for 2 years, he's a great option at the 2C spot... upgrade (which isn't saying much). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) So, as we sit, barring ANY trades, here is how I would do the protection list: Larkin, Mantha, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Namestikov, Rasmussen, Timashov Hronek, Lindstrom, Stecher Greiss ...which means, I hope Yzerman trades Cholowski so we don't lose him for nothing. Edited October 14, 2020 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
