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Red Wings sign D Trevor Daley to 3 year, 3.166m/yr contract, includes NTC/Modified NTC.

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2 hours ago, Never_Retire_Steve said:

I don't think it's smart to have your top 5 d men all with NTCs who are all making $3M+. Makes it incredibly hard to make roster moves based on that. If we're going for it then maybe but I don't think we're in the "win now" mode.

NTCs aren't as big a deal as people think. I researched it a while back and found that players with NTCs are traded roughly as often as players without. They mostly seem to serve as a way for the player to have some level of control over where they play.

Generally, if you have a player you want to get rid of, whatever it is about him that makes you want to get rid of him is likely to be more of a problem than a NTC.

Unrelated musing, not directed toward you specifically: Am I the only one annoyed that CapFriendly often cites themselves as a source for their contract information? Probably, but sorry, that's just unprofessional. "Because we said so" is only a valid source for parents.

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2 hours ago, Never_Retire_Steve said:

I don't think it's smart to have your top 5 d men all with NTCs who are all making $3M+. Makes it incredibly hard to make roster moves based on that. If we're going for it then maybe but I don't think we're in the "win now" mode.

We should look at those defensemen on a case-by-case basis.

  • DALEY -- Was he given an NTC? As others have pointed out, CapFriendly says no... :g:
  • GREEN -- One year left on his deal. I see him being traded this season and I see us getting a decent return for him.
  • DEKEYSER -- Holland has no appetite for moving him + he's coming off an awful season + the money and term of his contract will only become really attractive to other teams if he establishes himself as a Real Good top-four defenseman. Of course, if he establishes himself as a Real Good top-four defenseman, Holland will be that much more uninterested in moving him. He's probably a Red Wing for life. He's probably being groomed for a leadership role.
  • KRONWALL -- Two years left on his deal, will probably spend most of that time in LTIRetirement. Will retire a Red Wing.
  • ERICSSON -- meh, whatevz

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Cholowski Stronger, Eager To Assert Himself

Seems like Shawn Horcoff is working closely with Cholowski. He compares himself to Trevor Daley, and appears to be dedicated to growing in size and strength to make the NHL.

In regards to what he's working on:

“I think being more assertive on the ice, imposing my will more, skating with the puck more, creating more offense" - Cholowski

From his college play at St Cloud and from Horcoff  it sounds like Cholowski is elite at positioning, but needs to work on imposing his will in the O-zon , as well as getting bigger and stronger.

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Listening to Horcoff talk on the Red and White podcast, sounds like he's big on character. A point that was made at this years draft. His philosophy: "90% of what happens on the ice comes from what happens off the ice." Sounds like the team is interested in obtaining high character players. The days of hooker friendly Hudlers and alcohol savy Callahans is over. 

 

Shawn also mentions what a great guy that Daley is to have in the lockerroom 

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8 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Listening to Horcoff talk on the Red and White podcast, sounds like he's big on character. A point that was made at this years draft. His philosophy: "90% of what happens on the ice comes from what happens off the ice." Sounds like the team is interested in obtaining high character players. The days of hooker friendly Hudlers and alcohol savy Callahans is over. 

 

Shawn also mentions what a great guy that Daley is to have in the lockerroom 

I agree, a lot of times in sports (I'm sure most of us here probably played in high school teams or maybe even college), the best or the hardest working players were often the ones that had high chracter, usually ended up becoming the captains too. Of course character can only get you so far if you don't have talent to start with. 

I was the "always gotta be right" ****** on the team that only flexed my muscles to get laid. Quit sports and never looked back once I got what was coming. (Herpes).

Oh the good old days. 

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On 7/1/2017 at 8:16 AM, DickieDunn said:

dumb

 

On 7/1/2017 at 8:34 AM, Dominator2005 said:

Stupid

 

On 7/1/2017 at 8:40 AM, krsmith17 said:

Only way this deal makes any sense is if one or both of Kronwall / Ericsson are done. Still shouldn't have been anything more than one year, two max.

 

On 7/1/2017 at 10:45 AM, shocky2002 said:

I JUST SAW SOMEONE ON TWITTER TOUT HIS CUP EXPERIENCE AS A GOOD REASON TO SIGN HIM. AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

On 7/1/2017 at 1:54 PM, ShanahanMan said:

At least Stevie was smart enough to only give two years to Girardi.

another awful ntc multi year contract handed out to a vet with injury issues, courtesy of Mr. Holland.

Anyone stop and think, once Green is gone, Daley will probably be the best Dman on this team?

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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Anyone stop and think, once Green is gone, Daley will probably be the best Dman on this team?

I'd love to be able to trade both Green AND Daley at the deadline. Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen with two years remaining. Maybe if we signed him to a shorter contract that would have been doable. Oh well, hopefully next year.

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23 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'd love to be able to trade both Green AND Daley at the deadline. Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen with two years remaining. Maybe if we signed him to a shorter contract that would have been doable. Oh well, hopefully next year.

Idk, I certainly wouldn't be upset if we traded him, but for the price tag I think he's a pretty good dman to have around.

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That doesn't mean he's very good.  He's solid, not spectacular, hasn't gotten a lot of opportunity to be in an offensive role.  The reason I didn't like the signing wasn't him specifically, I thought, and still think, the team needs to be focusing on younger players instead.

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40 minutes ago, kliq said:

Not allowed to be positive or give any credit, that's a trigger for some.

Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit

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On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 7:15 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit Born and raised in South Detroit

 

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4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Hey now, im ok with the back n forth banter. But you take these low energy memes the f*** outta here. This board demands fresh high quality maymays 

I think your avatar would make a better pic for this instead of the dog!

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2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

· DON'T incite flame wars by purposely baiting ("trolling") other members into an online flame war. Members caught doing so will be disciplined appropriately.

· DON'T personally attack other members. This includes name-calling, flame-baiting, etc.. If you can't discuss your point with maturity then don't discuss it. People that violate this rule will be dealt with swiftly.

I shared Journey lyrics. I shared Journey lyrics with Kliq.

What does this have to do with you and personal attacks?

I swear it's not even the deadline yet and you've already lost your marbles. Maybe you didn't know this, but the song Don't Stop Believing is kind of a thing in the Red Wings community...

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2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I shared Journey lyrics. I shared Journey lyrics with Kliq.

What does this have to do with you and personal attacks?

I swear it's not even the deadline yet and you've already lost your marbles. Maybe you didn't know this, but the song Don't Stop Believing is kind of a thing in the Red Wings community...

I deleted it.

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