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Official 2018 NHL Amateur Entry Draft Discussion Thread

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On 1/5/2018 at 6:39 PM, Dabura said:

I'm starting to kinda lean in this direction as I learn more and more about more and more of these players.

I mean, let me be clear: I'm not uninspired by Svechnikov, Boqvist, Zadina, Hughes, Tkachuk. Far from it. To me, they're looking like your safest bets for a franchise cornerstone player right now (beyond Dahlin, of course). They're all exciting, they're all tantalizing, any one of them would be a huge addition to the Wings' system. At the same time, though, what makes this draft class special -- IMO, the reason why this is widely considered an extremely deep class -- is that there isn't necessarily going to be much talent separation between, say, #5 and #20.

We're looking at a very big pool of very good players, a much bigger pool than we're used to seeing. If Evan Bouchard (who, like I've said, I'm really high on) were in last year's class, he probably would've gone in the top ten. Joe Veleno might've been a top-five pick last year. But, as things currently stand, Bouchard and Veleno and a busload of similarly high-end-yet-surprisingly-underhyped players are kind of stuck in the shadow of some players who really might not be any better than them. Bouchard, Veleno, et al. aren't the dazzling offense-weighted weapons that guys like Boqvist and Zadina are, but you could be on to something when you say they're more well-rounded and perhaps more desirable because of it.

I'll put it this way: anyone who gets taken within the first 45 selections in this draft has the potential to become a big-time impact player in the NHL. That's the case with every draft, but I think it's especially true this time around. I'm expecting this draft to produce a relatively high number of homeruns and I'm expecting many of them to be sleepers. Wings fans won't want to hear it, but trading down could be the smart play here.

I am one Wings fan who totally agrees with you and would not be shocked if Holland does that. Although I would still stick to my earlier post IF the first pick is in the top 6. Any firsts after that, I would be totally cool with trading down especially if if adds another 1st or 2nd or allows KH to get rid of a bad contract.

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I am not sure if people around here put much stock in TSN Craig's List. But Craig Button has Svechnikov 4th now.

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-dahlin-cemented-top-status-at-world-juniors-1.962249 

Svecnikov was sitting 2nd I think for most of this year and the 2nd half of last year. I wonder if he could really fall out of the top 3. I wonder if we could get lucky and get him 4 if we get a bit of lottery luck. I doubt it tho.

I mainly use TSN when I look up ranking for draft prospects myself. Craig been fairly decent in the pass I'd say.

I think we will have anywhere from 6th - 10th pick in the draft. I like what I hear and seen from Hughes. I am also a MI fan, so I could be a bit bias. I've seen him ranked around 5th -13th whenever I've googled up on him, mainly 6-8th. I think we have a good chance at Hughes. 

 

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McKenzie and Button are the two best sources when it comes to Draft Rankings in my opinion.

As much as I think we should take a center and defenseman with our two first round picks (assuming we get another one at the deadline...), it'd be hard to pass on Svechnikov or Tkatchuk if they're available. You could throw Zadina in there as well. We should be taking best player available, I just don't like how all three of those guys are left-handed wingers.

I'd be okay with trading back if we're missing out on Dahlin, and if it's for a big return. The Islanders have two firsts (12 and 17). Imagine having three 1st's, and three 2nd's in this draft. Any of Hughes, Wilde, Bouchard, Dobson, Merkley, Woo as a defenseman taken outside of the top 5 in the first.

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18 hours ago, xault said:

I am not sure if people around here put much stock in TSN Craig's List. But Craig Button has Svechnikov 4th now.

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-dahlin-cemented-top-status-at-world-juniors-1.962249 

Svecnikov was sitting 2nd I think for most of this year and the 2nd half of last year. I wonder if he could really fall out of the top 3. I wonder if we could get lucky and get him 4 if we get a bit of lottery luck. I doubt it tho.

I mainly use TSN when I look up ranking for draft prospects myself. Craig been fairly decent in the pass I'd say.

I think we will have anywhere from 6th - 10th pick in the draft. I like what I hear and seen from Hughes. I am also a MI fan, so I could be a bit bias. I've seen him ranked around 5th -13th whenever I've googled up on him, mainly 6-8th. I think we have a good chance at Hughes. 

 

1st bold: I am not really surprised. I'm not sure a Winger should ever be drafted in the top 5 unless they're hands down better than anyone else. Its a really good draft this year, so draft D and C. I'd still take him tho cuz I think having both Svech bros on a line with Rass would be awesome.

2nd bold: Entirely possible, but I am expecting a top 6. Unless Boqvist, Hughes, Tkachuk or Zadina are available, trade down.

 

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17 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

1st bold: I am not really surprised. I'm not sure a Winger should ever be drafted in the top 5 anyway. Draft D and C. I'd still take him tho cuz I think having both Svech bros on a line with Rass would be awesome.

2nd bold: Entirely possible, but I am expecting a top 6. Unless Boqvist, Hughes, Tkachuk or Zadina are available, trade down.

Seriously? You don't pass up on elite wingers just because of position. You take best player available. That's like saying the Caps should have passed over Ovechkin or the Hawks should have passed over Kane. Sure, if all else is equal, you take the center or defenseman, but if there's a significant difference (which there seems to be with Svechnikov), you take the best player. 

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Seriously? You don't pass up on elite wingers just because of position. You take best player available. That's like saying the Caps should have passed over Ovechkin or the Hawks should have passed over Kane. Sure, if all else is equal, you take the center or defenseman, but if there's a significant difference (which there seems to be with Svechnikov), you take the best player. 

True enough, but I'd still  rather have the center, or Dman.

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2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Seriously? You don't pass up on elite wingers just because of position. You take best player available. That's like saying the Caps should have passed over Ovechkin or the Hawks should have passed over Kane. Sure, if all else is equal, you take the center or defenseman, but if there's a significant difference (which there seems to be with Svechnikov), you take the best player. 

I agree, you must have posted while I was editing mine. I went back and read it and realized how ridiculous it sounded as it was. Yes, There are years where you have an Ovie. A generational talent you take. I realize there are times you do, but they better be elite or the other positions better be weak. If its a Laine and then a drop in talent then you take him.

But there seems to be a lot of good talent this year and I don't know that he's that much better than others in the top 10 at more desirable positions. He may not even be the best forward in the eyes of some teams. If this was last year for example, Svech would go much higher, this year I think he goes lower potentially. I would still take him if he's there, but I could see him drop down a couple of spots and some D go higher than expected. I wouldn't be surprised to see a run on defenseman early on either. As many as 7 in the top 10.

A few weeks ago, I would say he almost certainly goes 2nd behind Dahlin, but I dont think its as certain now as it was.

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6 hours ago, F.Michael said:

True enough, but I'd still  rather have the center, or Dman.

Absolutely. If all else is equal, every team takes the center over the winger. If everything is equal between a center and a defenseman, I think then it's okay to look at organizational need. For us, I'd take the defenseman. You never pass on the elite winger for the very good center or defenseman though, unless you're trading down...

6 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I agree, you must have posted while I was editing mine. I went back and read it and realized how ridiculous it sounded as it was. Yes, There are years where you have an Ovie. A generational talent you take. I realize there are times you do, but they better be elite or the other positions better be weak. If its a Laine and then a drop in talent then you take him.

But there seems to be a lot of good talent this year and I don't know that he's that much better than others in the top 10 at more desirable positions. He may not even be the best forward in the eyes of some teams. If this was last year for example, Svech would go much higher, this year I think he goes lower potentially. I would still take him if he's there, but I could see him drop down a couple of spots and some D go higher than expected. I wouldn't be surprised to see a run on defenseman early on either. As many as 7 in the top 10.

A few weeks ago, I would say he almost certainly goes 2nd behind Dahlin, but I dont think its as certain now as it was.

Fair enough, but in this case, I do believe a winger (whether it's Svechnikov, Tkatchuk or Zadina) could be hands down better than anyone else available. There's no debate who the best young player in this draft is, and it's not even close. After Dahlin, depending on who you talk to, it could be a handful of different players. The thing is, most of them are wingers (all left handed). The only one in that next tier that isn't a winger, is Boqvist, and he may or may not be available when we make our selection.

If we're picking 3rd and Dahlin and Boqvist go 1, 2, we shouldn't go off the board for a center or defenseman. There are a bunch of defensemen outside of the top 5, but if we're in the top 5, we should either take best player available, or trade down and take one of the many defensemen that will be available.

I still believe if we really wanted Rasmussen in last year's draft, we could have traded down a few spots, and taken him around the 11-14 spot, while picking up another late 1st or early 2nd. Similar to what we did in the 2013 draft, trading back two spots to take Mantha at 20, and then Bertuzzi at 58.

Side not: Gabe Vilardi is finally healthy and has put up 9 points (2 goals, 7 assists) in his first 5 games...

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10 hours ago, kickazz said:

Just curious, how far down deep are people thinking this draft is? Like top 20 guaranteed to start NHL? I'm just wondering what they mean by "Strong draft" exactly. 

Strong draft usually means 30+ NHLers.

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11 hours ago, kickazz said:

Just curious, how far down deep are people thinking this draft is? Like top 20 guaranteed to start NHL? I'm just wondering what they mean by "Strong draft" exactly. 

Do you mean start this season or future NHL regulars? For me, I would think more than 10 first rounders making the NHL this year would be a 'strong draft'. How many usually do? A handful maybe?Especially considering how many D could go in the first 10-20 picks. Also, I think we can count out whoever Wings pick, unless maybe its a lottery pick.

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