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It's not that I wouldn't want Carlson, I just genuinely believe it's bad timing. Do we really need another big money, long term contract, veteran, when we have Kronwall, Ericsson, Daley, DeKeyser? The reason I'm in favor of signing Green is because I know it will be short term, at a relatively low cap hit. But hey, if we could somehow trade Ericsson and / or Daley, I'd be all about getting Carlson here.

The other issue however is, I highly doubt he has much interest in coming to Detroit. I doubt he even hits the open market. My bet is he re-signs in Washington.

Regardless, it certainly doesn't hurt to kick the tires on Carlson. He would be a great add for any team.

27 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I'd rather sign Green and have Hronek make the big club with Jensen or Hicketts as the 7th. 

Dekeyser Green

Daley Ericsson

Kronwall Hronek

Jensen/Hicketts

This is pretty much exactly what I'd like to see as well.

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31 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I'd rather sign Green and have Hronek make the big club with Jensen or Hicketts as the 7th. 

Dekeyser Green

Daley Ericsson

Kronwall Hronek

Jensen/Hicketts

That would work too, As long as Green doesn't get more then a 1-2 year deal, I'm all for it.

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1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

It's not that I wouldn't want Carlson, I just genuinely believe it's bad timing. Do we really need another big money, long term contract, veteran, when we have Kronwall, Ericsson, Daley, DeKeyser? The reason I'm in favor of signing Green is because I know it will be short term, at a relatively low cap hit. But hey, if we could somehow trade Ericsson and / or Daley, I'd be all about getting Carlson here.

The other issue however is, I highly doubt he has much interest in coming to Detroit. I doubt he even hits the open market. My bet is he re-signs in Washington.

Regardless, it certainly doesn't hurt to kick the tires on Carlson. He would be a great add for any team.

This is pretty much exactly what I'd like to see as well.

I get it. I really do. But when Carlson's contract was truly a problem (like in 5 years when the little ones start really getting paid) all those sandbaggers like Helm, Nielsen, Ericsson, Kronwall, etc. will be long off the books. 

Anyway, he won't be coming here. 

Just now, LoveMyRedWings56 said:

That would work too, As long as Green doesn't get more then a 1-2 year deal, I'm all for it.

He won't. Not from Holland, at least. 

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28 minutes ago, RobotHeart said:

Bean - Carlson

Hughes - Trouba

Cholowski - Hronek

Hicketts - Jensen

Yeah now that would be my dream defense

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I get it. I really do. But when Carlson's contract was truly a problem (like in 5 years when the little ones start really getting paid) all those sandbaggers like Helm, Nielsen, Ericsson, Kronwall, etc. will be long off the books. 

Anyway, he won't be coming here. 

He won't. Not from Holland, at least. 

Yep we already know that Holland is only offering Greener a 1 or 2 year deal, Not committing long term with him. Which is fine need to start bringing the kids up any ways.

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I have to imagine they move Ouellet and Jensen at the draft or prior to the season starting. I would like to see Kronwall split time with Hicketts this season. That will give Hicketts (being smaller) a chance to ease his way into the play and give the staff a good time to evaluate him at this level to know if he's going to be good going forward. I really do think Hronek is ready to jump up and would love to see him on the 3rd pairing from the get-go. I feel like it's 50/50 with Green coming back. On one hand, he's comfortable here and likes it here and on the other, this may be his last chance to really push for a cup win. If I'm him, I go to the Caps, TB, or Vegas and sign a 3-4 year deal at a lower cap hit. I just never cared for Green (at $6 million). He's not the offensive threat he used to be and a lot of times he does seem to disappear from the play. I understand he'd be a good player for Hronek to learn from, but I'm not sure how much that really matters anyway.

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20 hours ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

So Khan indicates that if Green doesn’t sign here, they’re going in on Carlson. Not sure I like that move, given the cost. He won’t come here, but yeah, I’d rather make a trade for Faulk, Hanafin, or Bean.

In a straight up comparison, I would certainly choose Carlson over Green. But with all facts considered, I would rather see Green signed than Carlson. Why? Green is much older, yes, but on only a max 2 year deal, he is the safer and cheaper bet. I would consider Carlson on a max 6 year deal at 7 mil AAV, but he'll get more than that somewhere else. We have to remember that by the time this team is a contender again Carlson will be on the downslide. He may still be a serviceable defenseman then, but his cap hit could hurt the team's ability to re-sign core players at a time when the team is on an upswing. Unless a guy is a true, young, "building block" like Larkin or Ras, we shouldn't be signing 28 year-olds to long term contracts. It's too much of a risk for a team in rebuild mode.

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53 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Huh? Hadn't heard this. Please explain.

The NYI are gonna play 'most' of their home games at the Barclays Center, and the 'rest' at the recently renovated Nassau Coliseum until the 'new' arena in Belmont Park is to be completed...This will take place starting 2018/2019 season, and will apparently last for 3 seasons (although if I were a betting man - don't be surprised if this lasted 5 seasons).

https://arenadigest.com/2018/05/01/new-york-islanders-arena-project-schedule/

In other words - it's just yet another NYI clusterf**k.

Why Tavares would stay with that franchise is beyond me...I'd leave that $hithole in a NY minute.

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4 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

In a straight up comparison, I would certainly choose Carlson over Green. But with all facts considered, I would rather see Green signed than Carlson. Why? Green is much older, yes, but on only a max 2 year deal, he is the safer and cheaper bet. I would consider Carlson on a max 6 year deal at 7 mil AAV, but he'll get more than that somewhere else. We have to remember that by the time this team is a contender again Carlson will be on the downslide. He may still be a serviceable defenseman then, but his cap hit could hurt the team's ability to re-sign core players at a time when the team is on an upswing. Unless a guy is a true, young, "building block" like Larkin or Ras, we shouldn't be signing 28 year-olds to long term contracts. It's too much of a risk for a team in rebuild mode.

Oh, I completely agree. I mean, I'm fine if Green goes elsewhere because it serves the rebuild just fine and gives the kids a better shot at making the roster (Hicketts and Hronek). It'd be nice to suss out if Hicketts can stick and be a viable 5/6 guy with powerplay upside. I just mentioned Faulk because we can, hopefully, dump a contract or two in the move and his contract is up in 2 years which gives some flexibility. In an ideal world, we make a trade for Hanafin, Bean, Trouba...

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21 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

Oh, I completely agree. I mean, I'm fine if Green goes elsewhere because it serves the rebuild just fine and gives the kids a better shot at making the roster (Hicketts and Hronek). It'd be nice to suss out if Hicketts can stick and be a viable 5/6 guy with powerplay upside. I just mentioned Faulk because we can, hopefully, dump a contract or two in the move and his contract is up in 2 years which gives some flexibility. In an ideal world, we make a trade for Hanafin, Bean, Trouba...

If Hronek and Hicketts can't climb over Ericsson, Ouellet, and Jensen with one hand, then they don't deserve to be on the roster at all. Sign Green.

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

If Hronek and Hicketts can't climb over Ericsson, Ouellet, and Jensen with one hand, then they don't deserve to be on the roster at all. Sign Green.

The coach and GM have to be willing to have spots available. This staff has shown, up until now, that veterans can do no wrong but that youth have to play like all-stars in 6-8 minutes per game in order to have a shot. It’s bassackward. Again, really happy you’re not in charge of any facet of player development because everyone would be sucktastic. Would you agree that there are players that haven’t come into their own until later in their careers? Blake Wheeler comes to mind. 

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44 minutes ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

The coach and GM have to be willing to have spots available. This staff has shown, up until now, that veterans can do no wrong but that youth have to play like all-stars in 6-8 minutes per game in order to have a shot. It’s bassackward. Again, really happy you’re not in charge of any facet of player development because everyone would be sucktastic. Would you agree that there are players that haven’t come into their own until later in their careers? Blake Wheeler comes to mind. 

No, this is the first time I've ever been interested in hockey, and I had no idea that different players take different amounts of time to develop. Thanks for teaching me.

I like the exaggeration, but Hronek and Hicketts just have to play better than E, XO, and Jensen (who are trash) for 6-8 minutes each game. Not 6-8 minutes of all-star play like you hyperbolicly suggest.

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4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

No, this is the first time I've ever been interested in hockey, and I had no idea that different players take different amounts of time to develop. Thanks for teaching me.

I like the exaggeration, but Hronek and Hicketts just have to play better than E, XO, and Jensen (who are trash) for 6-8 minutes each game. Not 6-8 minutes of all-star play like you hyperbolicly suggest.

So, are you saying that Hicketts didn't outplay the guys you mentioned last year in training camp / pre-season and eventually regular season? He absolutely did, yet he didn't get the call until that one game in January, immediately got sent down (after playing well), and then 4 consecutive games in March / April. I'm not saying Hicketts is going to be great. I don't even think he'll be anything more than a bottom pairing defenseman. But to say "all he has to do is outplay player x, y, and z" is just not accurate, and I think you know that. Like it or not, for good or bad, this organization has always valued veterans over the kids. "Tie goes to the vet". That's not even true though. We've seen young players not only "tie", but outplay older players, and still get sent down. If Holland truly is embracing the rebuild (like he's said he is), the kids should get the nod ahead of some of the vets. Hopefully that's the case over the next few years. We'll see what happens...

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