Blashill says struggling Wings must "Trust The Process."

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Mrazek has consistently been a dumpster fire since February 2015.  Why in the world they start giving him the bulk of the starts just because he's younger and MIGHT suddenly start playing better?  Unless they want to go full tank, that is.  Playing him most of the time the rest of the year sounds like a great way to get a top 3 pick.  If his psyche is so fragile that he can't handle competition or losing his job when he's consistently outplayed, he has no business being an NHL player.

I don't see any way he comes back to the team next year.  They're not going to qualify him unless Holland goes full bat crap insane, and I don't see him taking a big pay cut to stay in Detroit.  At this point if they can get even a 6th rounder for him, I think they need to move him.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

31 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Mrazek has consistently been a dumpster fire since February 2015.  Why in the world they start giving him the bulk of the starts just because he's younger and MIGHT suddenly start playing better?  Unless they want to go full tank, that is.  Playing him most of the time the rest of the year sounds like a great way to get a top 3 pick.  If his psyche is so fragile that he can't handle competition or losing his job when he's consistently outplayed, he has no business being an NHL player.

I don't see any way he comes back to the team next year.  They're not going to qualify him unless Holland goes full bat crap insane, and I don't see him taking a big pay cut to stay in Detroit.  At this point if they can get even a 6th rounder for him, I think they need to move him.

Considering the fact that there is interest in him and KH seems like he wants to trade Mrazek, it speaks volumes as to how lowly management regards him right now. Think about it, if you're trying to trade a guy, you usually play him so that other teams can scout and evaluate him. The fact that Mrazek isn't being played tells me that the team is actually worried that doing so would lower his trade value or cause teams to lose interest all together. 

There is no bias or conspiracy NOT to play him, its just that they feel its safer to limit his starts to keep his value up, as strange as that sounds.

[kliq 3,763]

42 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Considering the fact that there is interest in him and KH seems like he wants to trade Mrazek, it speaks volumes as to how lowly management regards him right now. Think about it, if you're trying to trade a guy, you usually play him so that other teams can scout and evaluate him. The fact that Mrazek isn't being played tells me that the team is actually worried that doing so would lower his trade value or cause teams to lose interest all together. 

There is no bias or conspiracy NOT to play him, its just that they feel its safer to limit his starts to keep his value up, as strange as that sounds.

Makes sense, they feel that playing him will expose him further. We have to remember as well, coaches see Mrazek playing in practice every single day, if he was "back" you would think they would notice and want to play him. Sure our coaches are not great, but if Mrazek was lights out in practice they would see that. My guess is that he stinks in practice just as much as he stinks in game.

I also think its pretty clear that mandate in Detroit right now regardless of whether its from management or ownership is to make the playoffs, and they clearly dont feel playing Mrazek will give them the better odds. I cant argue that.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Considering the fact that there is interest in him and KH seems like he wants to trade Mrazek, it speaks volumes as to how lowly management regards him right now. Think about it, if you're trying to trade a guy, you usually play him so that other teams can scout and evaluate him. The fact that Mrazek isn't being played tells me that the team is actually worried that doing so would lower his trade value or cause teams to lose interest all together. 

There is no bias or conspiracy NOT to play him, its just that they feel its safer to limit his starts to keep his value up, as strange as that sounds.

I think it has more to do with the fact that they're trying to win games and Howard gives them a much better chance. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

34 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

I think it has more to do with the fact that they're trying to win games and Howard gives them a much better chance. 

Which only strengthens the argument that he just isn't good and there is no bias against him. IF Mrazek was any good that would give them 2 reasons to give him more starts.

1: Mrazek gives them a better chance to win (and make the playoffs)

2: It raises his stock/trade value.

He isn't starting because:

1: Howard gives them a better chance to win (and make the playoffs)

2: It would lower his trade value if other teams saw bad Mrazek is playing.

Does anyone still think that they're deliberately playing Howard over Mrazek in order to lose games and keep Mrazek's stock low?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

There's at least one poster who thinks that it's just bias against Mrazek, and Mrazek would start playing like he did the first part of his career if he was just allowed to start 17 of the next 20 games. 

[kliq 3,763]

16 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

There's at least one poster who thinks that it's just bias against Mrazek, and Mrazek would start playing like he did the first part of his career if he was just allowed to start 17 of the next 20 games. 

We all know who that "one poster" is lol. I dont know when it became a thing for management/coaching to coddle goalies. 

[kliq 3,763]

3 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

We coddle you...

We coddle each other Cady.

[chaps80 1,591]

4 hours ago, kliq said:

We all know who that "one poster" is lol. I dont know when it became a thing for management/coaching to coddle goalies. 

It was a thing ten years ago when Jimmy Howard was coddled. AHLer till he ran out of that option at age 25 because he wasn’t ready. No matter how he’s played through his career, he’s always gotten another shot at top job, or at least given enough starts to try to get going again. Even when Mrazek was playing Vezina level hockey, he was still being given starts, even though he was playing horrible. Why can’t Mrazek get starts when Howard is playing well again? Blash treats him with kid gloves. Never calls him out, starts him after horrible outings. Why? because he’s easily rattled. Maybe that’s why he’s never been a big game goalie and consistently failed under playoff pressure. 

Giving Mrazek more starts wouldn’t be coddling him, it would be smart. What’s to lose by trying to get him going? His stock falls? Can it fall much lower? Teams would still take him. He gets injured? Highly unlikely? Team drops in standings? Who cares. 

Anyways, it’s pointless arguing with you guys. Can’t see the big picture. All it is is “Jimmy is playing better so we keep him”. 

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

38 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

It was a thing ten years ago when Jimmy Howard was coddled. AHLer till he ran out of that option at age 25 because he wasn’t ready. No matter how he’s played through his career, he’s always gotten another shot at top job, or at least given enough starts to try to get going again. Even when Mrazek was playing Vezina level hockey, he was still being given starts, even though he was playing horrible. Why can’t Mrazek get starts when Howard is playing well again? Blash treats him with kid gloves. Never calls him out, starts him after horrible outings. Why? because he’s easily rattled. Maybe that’s why he’s never been a big game goalie and consistently failed under playoff pressure. 

Giving Mrazek more starts wouldn’t be coddling him, it would be smart. What’s to lose by trying to get him going? His stock falls? Can it fall much lower? Teams would still take him. He gets injured? Highly unlikely? Team drops in standings? Who cares. 

Anyways, it’s pointless arguing with you guys. Can’t see the big picture. All it is is “Jimmy is playing better so we keep him”. 

I'm not arguing that it would be bad to give petr more starts, but when jimmy came into the league we didn't really have a top goalie anymore. Jimmy has played over his career so he's given the benefit of having some extra starts when he's in a slump because he has proved that he will bounce back. Mrazek had a couple great seasons his first 2 years. No matter how many starts though he hasn't been able to retake the starter role. So at this point you might as well ride him and hope he bounces back, but its highly unlikely. Its seems more likely that his start in the nhl was a fluke. 

[kliq 3,763]

55 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

It was a thing ten years ago when Jimmy Howard was coddled. AHLer till he ran out of that option at age 25 because he wasn’t ready. No matter how he’s played through his career, he’s always gotten another shot at top job, or at least given enough starts to try to get going again. Even when Mrazek was playing Vezina level hockey, he was still being given starts, even though he was playing horrible. Why can’t Mrazek get starts when Howard is playing well again? Blash treats him with kid gloves. Never calls him out, starts him after horrible outings. Why? because he’s easily rattled. Maybe that’s why he’s never been a big game goalie and consistently failed under playoff pressure. 

Giving Mrazek more starts wouldn’t be coddling him, it would be smart. What’s to lose by trying to get him going? His stock falls? Can it fall much lower? Teams would still take him. He gets injured? Highly unlikely? Team drops in standings? Who cares. 

Anyways, it’s pointless arguing with you guys. Can’t see the big picture. All it is is “Jimmy is playing better so we keep him”. 

In Jimmy's first year as starter his competition was a Chris Osgood who was at the tail end of his career and putting up bad numbers. In 2011 Howard's competition was Joey MacDonald, in 2012 it was Ty Conklin. It's apples and oranges, had we had a vet goaltender at that time who was out playing Jimmy, I'm sure that Jimmy' would have been on a shorter leash. Also, it was a different coach, you really can't compare the situations.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Jimmy and Mrazek have been treated the exact same, they haven't. Why have they not been treated the same, IMO it's due to a variety of reasons, ranging from the coach, their attitude, the state of team, the competition, etc. 

Its not as simple as you attempt to make it seem. You sound as if you have blind hate for Jimmy, and blind love for Mrazek.

I have said this before, but I want Mrazek to turn it around, unfortunately all signs point against that. What I dont get about you, is you seem to cheer for Jimmy to fail. I just don't get that mentality.

I do wish Mrazek got a few more starts, but when he does get starts, its on him to impress. My issue is the entitlement that you and some other seems to have on behalf of Mrazek. He's not "owed" anything.  

 

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Sports isn't fair. Get over it and perform. 

 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

7 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=larkin,+ott,+girl&safe=off&prmd=vin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibnaOj3JHYAhVFMGMKHaaSAu8Q_AUIEigC&biw=412&bih=652&dpr=2.63#imgdii=GCJ6p3ycKIM3mM:&imgrc=P7EpZ-3MxSI_OM:

This is exactly why Larkin is untouchable to me. He is just a great kid. He doesn't even realize he's a star athlete. I witnessed him waving back to kids from the ice at training camp when no other players did. I saw him skate from the bench side across the ice to give his broken stick to a kid in the stands there. That kid will remember that for the rest of his/her life. I didn't see anyone else doing that. Larkin is the most down to earth player I have ever seen. He should stay in Detroit until he retires. I wouldn't trade him for anyone. Some things are just more important to me than wins.

1 hour ago, Son of a Wing said:

Sports isn't fair. Get over it and perform. 

 

You just summed up 3 pages of posts in 8 words. Well done.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[DickieDunn 2,571]

8 hours ago, chaps80 said:

It was a thing ten years ago when Jimmy Howard was coddled. AHLer till he ran out of that option at age 25 because he wasn’t ready. No matter how he’s played through his career, he’s always gotten another shot at top job, or at least given enough starts to try to get going again. Even when Mrazek was playing Vezina level hockey, he was still being given starts, even though he was playing horrible. Why can’t Mrazek get starts when Howard is playing well again? Blash treats him with kid gloves. Never calls him out, starts him after horrible outings. Why? because he’s easily rattled. Maybe that’s why he’s never been a big game goalie and consistently failed under playoff pressure. 

Giving Mrazek more starts wouldn’t be coddling him, it would be smart. What’s to lose by trying to get him going? His stock falls? Can it fall much lower? Teams would still take him. He gets injured? Highly unlikely? Team drops in standings? Who cares. 

Anyways, it’s pointless arguing with you guys. Can’t see the big picture. All it is is “Jimmy is playing better so we keep him”. 

He wasn't coddled.  He was given chances.  So was Mrazek.  Mrazek blew his.

Yes, Howard was given starts.  Do you think that Mrazek was going to play 82 games?

 

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

6 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

He wasn't coddled.  He was given chances.  So was Mrazek.  Mrazek blew his.

Yes, Howard was given starts.  Do you think that Mrazek was going to play 82 games?

 

lol this is funny.  Mrazek is still young.  I still think he's a #1 but this coach is an idiot, along with it's GM anymore.

[kliq 3,763]

4 hours ago, Hockeymom1960 said:

lol this is funny.  Mrazek is still young.  I still think he's a #1 but this coach is an idiot, along with it's GM anymore.

Not going to argue that we have a good coach, but please let me know how Blashill's coaching strategies have been the reason for Mrazek's decline? What's actually funny about this, is that Blashill was Mrazek's coach in the AHL where Mrazek thrived. I get it if you are talking forwards, as coaches have a lot of power over them whether its line-mates, PP time, minutes etc. 

A goalie gets a starts, he plays bad then that's on him. The ONLY argument you could make is MAYBE that the team has such an offensive style that the goalie is paying for it, but if that was the case Howard wouldn't be playing better, and lets face it, we are not an offensive first team.

Outside of being flashy two years ago, what he has done to prove he is a number 1 guy? The only thing I cant think of is that some people are enamored/blinded by his athleticism/flashiness. 

[DickieDunn 2,571]

6 hours ago, Hockeymom1960 said:

lol this is funny.  Mrazek is still young.  I still think he's a #1 but this coach is an idiot, along with it's GM anymore.

What has he done in the last 2 years to show he's a #1 caliber goalie?  Or do you mean in the AHL or KHL?  The guy has been bad longer than he was good.

[LoveMyRedWings56 73]

No Blashill just needs to stop shuffling the lines all the time, No way can a team gel when their idiotic coach keeps switching lines.

[kliq 3,763]

1 hour ago, DickieDunn said:

What has he done in the last 2 years to show he's a #1 caliber goalie?  Or do you mean in the AHL or KHL?  The guy has been bad longer than he was good.

I really do think when it comes to Mrazek, people are blinded by the flashiness.

[kickazz 5,459]

25 minutes ago, kliq said:

I really do think when it comes to Mrazek, people are blinded by the flashiness.

You mean blinded by their hate for Howard***

Edited December 18, 2017 by kickazz

[Buppy 1,720]

7 hours ago, kickazz said:

You mean blinded by their hate for Howard***

I hope you're just talking about Chaps, because as far as I've seen Mrazek has been the target of far more fan vitriol than was ever directed at Jimmy. In general the worst ever said about Jimmy is that he's average, overpaid, and couldn't win us a Cup. All that was also said about Mrazek even starting early last year, with much worse coming by the end, to now you and a few others basically saying that anyone who thinks Mrazek can still be a good player must be stupid.

Mrazek has ability. Even in the last two years he's had good stretches. He is now basically the same age as Jimmy when he was a rookie. Whether or not he can identify and correct whatever issues he's been having is certainly a valid concern, as is the question of what, if any, length we should go to to keep him. But this whole anti-Mrazek movement seems mostly predicated on the desire to exact revenge for perceived slights against Howard. It's distracting.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, Buppy said:

I hope you're just talking about Chaps, because as far as I've seen Mrazek has been the target of far more fan vitriol than was ever directed at Jimmy. In general the worst ever said about Jimmy is that he's average, overpaid, and couldn't win us a Cup. All that was also said about Mrazek even starting early last year, with much worse coming by the end, to now you and a few others basically saying that anyone who thinks Mrazek can still be a good player must be stupid.

Mrazek has ability. Even in the last two years he's had good stretches. He is now basically the same age as Jimmy when he was a rookie. Whether or not he can identify and correct whatever issues he's been having is certainly a valid concern, as is the question of what, if any, length we should go to to keep him. But this whole anti-Mrazek movement seems mostly predicated on the desire to exact revenge for perceived slights against Howard. It's distracting.

Bups, I almost thought you weren't gonna nail it. But then in the last line you TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF.

100% the anti-mrazek movement is revenge against real slights against Howard. I would know, I spear-headed that s***. I was absolutely disgusted by how our fans treated Howard after Mrazek came to power. Like he was trash that the sooner we tossed the better. Shameful. Well the karma train came around and decided to plow Mrazek the godboi in the ass. So yeah I am guilty of jumping right on the anti-Mrazek train at first whistle. This board reaped what it sowed IMO.

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[kliq 3,763]

1 hour ago, Buppy said:

I hope you're just talking about Chaps, because as far as I've seen Mrazek has been the target of far more fan vitriol than was ever directed at Jimmy. In general the worst ever said about Jimmy is that he's average, overpaid, and couldn't win us a Cup. All that was also said about Mrazek even starting early last year, with much worse coming by the end, to now you and a few others basically saying that anyone who thinks Mrazek can still be a good player must be stupid.

Mrazek has ability. Even in the last two years he's had good stretches. He is now basically the same age as Jimmy when he was a rookie. Whether or not he can identify and correct whatever issues he's been having is certainly a valid concern, as is the question of what, if any, length we should go to to keep him. But this whole anti-Mrazek movement seems mostly predicated on the desire to exact revenge for perceived slights against Howard. It's distracting.

I dont think many are anti Mrazek, I think its more of a response to the over the top pro Mrazek fans. At least that is my take.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

12 minutes ago, kliq said:

I dont think many are anti Mrazek, I think its more of a response to the over the top pro Mrazek fans. At least that is my take.

100%

[kickazz 5,459]

Ya’ll and your PC posts.

I’m anti-Mrazek because Mrazek sucks.

Get at me.

Edited December 19, 2017 by kickazz