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Yeah, absolutely.

Imho that's not just a Detroit problem, or a success thing. Sure, winning teams are at lesser risk of not selling out the arena than losing teams, but there might be another component to it.

At some point, the pro leagues might need to consider that the number of games in one season AND the number of timeouts in one game might no longer be tolerated by todays fans.

If I was living in the Detroit area, would I consider buying season tickets? NO, absolutely not, and that wouldnt even be about the price. It would be about the fact that it's 82 m...fkin games per season, which means you would have half your evenings every week blocked by games, and if you don't go, you waste money that you've already spent.

Make it 60 games, 2 games a week, I'd be much more likely to buy. And every single game would be much more meaningful, too.

And if you go to a game (or watch it on TV..), there is how many interruptions for commercials? 20? It's beyond me how all that could happen. If anything in sports would justify the pitchforks, right up the asses of the Goodells, Bettmans and Silvers, it would be this crap.

Why do I think this is more of an issue today than it was before? Because with the way this world is developing, all the social media stuff, people just tend to question things more than they did in previous decades, and that's going to continue.

And at some point, fans will say "hey, you know what? leave us alone with 120 RS games with 30 commercials, so that you guys can earn another 50% more of your already insane salaries...we don't watch that anymore". :bye:

At least I hope it will turn out like that...sooner rather than later. :eh:

 

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51 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Well usually people who are hardcore fans end up becoming posters on forums. When you stop becoming hardcore about it you generally don't have interest in talking about it to people outside of maybe real life or the occasional games. 

I think previous posters are still fans, just not as into it anymore. I mean; look at the stadium. An arena that was once packed is now 70% full this season at best. 

People still like the Red Wings, a lot of them just aren't as into it anymore. Detroit Pistons have this issue as well. 

The hardest core fans get banned on here but come back due to their hard coredness overcoming the odds.  The more bans, the deeper the core hardens.

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23 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

The hardest core fans get banned on here but come back due to their hard coredness overcoming the odds.  The more bans, the deeper the core hardens.

Rarely happens. But one of your wittier posts.

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This place is nowhere what it was a few years ago when the team was competitive. It's tough to keep coming back and talking about a bad team with no direction and poor management, it's just depressing. The GDTs have no heart anymore, Mikey who did the GDTs here virtually all season, every season for how many years isn't even around this year because of how rough this team is. Some GDTs don't hit two pages. I've lost motivation to keep up with it because it's been such a decline in interest. 

It is what it is, you can't blame anyone for not wanting to sit through these games and talk about tires being kicked and the dumb decisions the coach makes game after game.

The important thing to take away here, is Mrazek is gone. And that is a step in the right direction. Now he's in Philly, not playing well, not playing like a starter, and that's giving me even more justification to gain draft picks for him who very likely wasn't going to be the future of this team.

Thanks for those of you who have stuck around, even though I think that old cheese smell is coming from Kickazz. 

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The other issue is the lottery system.

I was at the Nashville/Detroit game 2 weeks ago, and its a really weird feeling to know that if your team wins, its going to hurt them.

Its one things at the beginning of the season as anything is possible even if its unlikely, but at this point we are not making the playoffs and the best thing for us is to lose. That's not something that I want to watch 3-4 times a week.

 

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1 hour ago, MabusIncarnate said:

This place is nowhere what it was a few years ago when the team was competitive. It's tough to keep coming back and talking about a bad team with no direction and poor management, it's just depressing. The GDTs have no heart anymore, Mikey who did the GDTs here virtually all season, every season for how many years isn't even around this year because of how rough this team is. Some GDTs don't hit two pages. I've lost motivation to keep up with it because it's been such a decline in interest. 

It is what it is, you can't blame anyone for not wanting to sit through these games and talk about tires being kicked and the dumb decisions the coach makes game after game.

The important thing to take away here, is Mrazek is gone. And that is a step in the right direction. Now he's in Philly, not playing well, not playing like a starter, and that's giving me even more justification to gain draft picks for him who very likely wasn't going to be the future of this team.

Thanks for those of you who have stuck around, even though I think that old cheese smell is coming from Kickazz. 

Bravo!  Great post.

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Everyone has a way to cope with the Wings being terrible. I’m just a passive aggressive Wings fan that’s projecting my anger caused by the mediocrity of the franchise at my poor fellow posters by being mean and arguing with them. :(

In a sense I feel betrayed and cheated on by my franchise and have a guard up.

The truth is I need help. I need everyone here to help me get through the tragedy of the Detroit Red Wings. 

Lets take care of ourselves and each other. 

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2 hours ago, MabusIncarnate said:

This place is nowhere what it was a few years ago when the team was competitive. It's tough to keep coming back and talking about a bad team with no direction and poor management, it's just depressing. The GDTs have no heart anymore, Mikey who did the GDTs here virtually all season, every season for how many years isn't even around this year because of how rough this team is. Some GDTs don't hit two pages. I've lost motivation to keep up with it because it's been such a decline in interest. 

It is what it is, you can't blame anyone for not wanting to sit through these games and talk about tires being kicked and the dumb decisions the coach makes game after game.

The important thing to take away here, is Mrazek is gone. And that is a step in the right direction. Now he's in Philly, not playing well, not playing like a starter, and that's giving me even more justification to gain draft picks for him who very likely wasn't going to be the future of this team.

Thanks for those of you who have stuck around, even though I think that old cheese smell is coming from Kickazz. 

I may not post very often, but I'm always around reading other's posts.  Anyway, with Ottawa, Edmonton and Vancouver all winning tonight, I'm gonna be pretty annoyed if the Wings win tomorrow.

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37 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Everyone has a way to cope with the Wings being terrible. I’m just a passive aggressive Wings fan that’s projecting my anger caused by the mediocrity of the franchise at my poor fellow posters by being mean and arguing with them. :(

In a sense I feel betrayed and cheated on by my franchise and have a guard up.

The truth is I need help. I need everyone here to help me get through the tragedy of the Detroit Red Wings. 

Lets take care of ourselves and each other. 

Step 11 over!!

 

I take my frustration out on Holland usually.  Would be funny if one of you were actually Kenny.

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27 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Step 11 over!!

 

I take my frustration out on Holland usually.  Would be funny if one of you were actually Kenny.

No, what would be funny is if this went the route of fight club, and YOU were Ken Holland. Maybe you are, but you don’t know it yet!

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1 hour ago, kliq said:

No, what would be funny is if this went the route of fight club, and YOU were Ken Holland. Maybe you are, but you don’t know it yet!

Have I been asleep all this time? 

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I mean, changing up avatars from the Dragonball Anime stuff might be a good step in the right direction. I'm just tossing that out there. I thought we settled on a monthly theme, but it's remained stagnant. 

I have my Fez avatar waiting for That 70's Show month.

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5 hours ago, kickazz said:

Everyone has a way to cope with the Wings being terrible. I’m just a passive aggressive Wings fan that’s projecting my anger caused by the mediocrity of the franchise at my poor fellow posters by being mean and arguing with them. :(

In a sense I feel betrayed and cheated on by my franchise and have a guard up.

The truth is I need help. I need everyone here to help me get through the tragedy of the Detroit Red Wings. 

Lets take care of ourselves and each other. 

Lets be honest here - you enjoy being a jerk :taunt:

2 hours ago, MabusIncarnate said:

I mean, changing up avatars from the Dragonball Anime stuff might be a good step in the right direction. I'm just tossing that out there. I thought we settled on a monthly theme, but it's remained stagnant. 

I have my Fez avatar waiting for That 70's Show month.

Change up my 'Stevie & Shanny' avatar?

Never!

It reminds me of better times.

200d237d6416b12ce58384cdf8779eac--bruins

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12 hours ago, The Datsyukian Deke said:

At some point, the pro leagues might need to consider that the number of games in one season AND the number of timeouts in one game might no longer be tolerated by todays fans.

If I was living in the Detroit area, would I consider buying season tickets? NO, absolutely not, and that wouldnt even be about the price. It would be about the fact that it's 82 m...fkin games per season, which means you would have half your evenings every week blocked by games, and if you don't go, you waste money that you've already spent.

Make it 60 games, 2 games a week, I'd be much more likely to buy. And every single game would be much more meaningful, too.

I agree with you that an 82 game schedule seems too long, but I don't think shortening the season would have the intended consequences.

First: Neither the owners, nor the players would agree to it. The owners wouldn't because you're cutting out 25% of their ticket sales, and 25% of their advertising revenue and 25% of their tv contractual agreements. The players would oppose it because their salaries would have to go down to compensate for it.

Second: If the number of games drops by a 1/4, the ticket prices will actually go up to compensate for the lost revenue.

Third: You would only be able to see star players on teams in the other conference at your team's home games every other year at best. That would also hurt ticket sales. People actually buy tickets to see guys like Crosby and McDavid come to town.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/261588/average-ticket-price-major-us-sports-leagues/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professional_sports_leagues

The average ticket price in the NHL was roughly $62 in 2015. It was $93 for the NFL, $56 for the NBA, and $31 for MLB. The reason that MLB has the lowest ticket prices despite having the highest salary cap is because they have the double the number of games of the NHL and double the seating capacity. So basically quadruple the number of ticket sales. The NFL has the fewest number of games, but almost 4 times the seating capacity for one game. Where was I going with this? Oh, yeah. The NHL already has the 2nd highest ticket prices among the 4 major leagues. That's because they have the fewest opportunities to sell tickets based on number of seats and number of games. They also get the least amount of revenue from advertisers and tv contracts. This makes the prices what  they already are. If you do anything to lessen that revenue then payroll gets cut (have fun with a lower salary cap Ken), and ticket prices go up. Season ticket prices don't go down, and fewer people go to see games resulting in even less revenue. Not good.

If there was a way to shorten the season while avoiding any of those problems, I think  it would be a welcomed change.

 

4 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Lets be honest here - you enjoy being a jerk :taunt:

Change up my 'Stevie & Shanny' avatar?

Never!

It reminds me of better times.

200d237d6416b12ce58384cdf8779eac--bruins

"Happy Days" theme song playing in my head.

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13 hours ago, The Datsyukian Deke said:

If I was living in the Detroit area, would I consider buying season tickets? NO, absolutely not, and that wouldnt even be about the price. It would be about the fact that it's 82 m...fkin games per season, which means you would have half your evenings every week blocked by games, and if you don't go, you waste money that you've already spent.

I'm guessing you've never been a season seat holder of an NHL team.  I haven't either, but some of my friends hold at least partial season tickets in Toronto (where I live).  That isn't relevant to my discussion though, other than to say "if you can't make a game, it's very easy to sell the ticket" - here anyway....used to be the case in Detroit as well....but not sure what it's like now.

But my main point is...you don't have half your evenings blocked by games....you aren't talking about 82 games a year, you are talking about 41 home games.  I looked at the home games over this season and this is the breakdown in terms of home games per week:

 - Weeks with only 1 home game = 9

 - Weeks with 2 home games = 7

 - Weeks with 3 home games = 6

 - Weeks with 0 home games = 5

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17 minutes ago, toby91_ca said:

I'm guessing you've never been a season seat holder of an NHL team.  I haven't either, but some of my friends hold at least partial season tickets in Toronto (where I live).  That isn't relevant to my discussion though, other than to say "if you can't make a game, it's very easy to sell the ticket" - here anyway....used to be the case in Detroit as well....but not sure what it's like now.

But my main point is...you don't have half your evenings blocked by games....you aren't talking about 82 games a year, you are talking about 41 home games.  I looked at the home games over this season and this is the breakdown in terms of home games per week:

 - Weeks with only 1 home game = 9

 - Weeks with 2 home games = 7

 - Weeks with 3 home games = 6

 - Weeks with 0 home games = 5

I was a Wings season ticket holder for the last 4 or 5 years (I quit this year because of their new BS rules).

They had 41 games packages, 20 game packages, and 10 game packages.

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@toby91_ca: Yeah ok, I forgot about the partial package option. That makes it easier and you can be more selective with it. If it does help the franchise with selling out, I'm not so sure. (not talking bout the Leafs, they might sell out no matter what is going on)

 

@Neomaxizoomdweebie: I know about that kind of argumentation, have heard it multiple times over the years, no matter what league is discussed. Question remains...when is it enough? When will people stop spending their money on this? We'll see.

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8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

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I made a thread about it back in the summer. Below is what I posted:

On 8/29/2017 at 1:00 PM, kliq said:

Is anyone else on this board a season ticket holder? If yes, what was your experience this year in getting tickets with the new arena?

Mine was awful, and after being a 10 game season ticket holder for 4 years, I quit. 

In previous years, the way it worked was you were given like 4 tiers. Tier 1 would have maybe 10 games available (say Leafs, Canadiens, Bruins etc), and you had to say pick 3 of them. Then tier 2 would have 10 available, and you would have to pick another 3, so on and so on. Not to mention, in the past if something changed in my schedule and I had to swap games, my rep was awesome and would always work with me as long as you were willing to exchange for another game within the same tier.

This year in addition to the price increase, you no longer have the option of of choosing what games you want. You are given 4 plans, the Howe plan, Lindsay plan, Abel plan, and Delvecchio plan AND you have to decide to purchase one of these plans within a 24 hour window assigned to you by the team. You have absolutely no flexibility, to choose what you want. When I called my new rep and asked her if I could swap a couple games out as there were a few I just couldn't make due to work obligations, I was told that you could not swap games any more and was suggested to sell them online.

I did buy tickets for the openers (preseason and regular season) through stubhub, but I was really disappointed this year.

Just curious if anyone else had the same experience? Or a better/worse one?

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Mrazek is so predictably unpredictable lol

My prediction was he'd continue the hotstreak, get us a higher conditional pick, get re-signed by Philly at $4, and then s*** the bed game one in October and have another terrible season.

But he couldn't even keep it together that long lmao

The guy is s***. Howard - who everyone bitched is inconsistent throughout his career - is the epitome of consistency next to Mrazek.

Good riddance.

 

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2 hours ago, kickazz said:

Mrazek gave up 5 goals in a loss against Penguins last night.

Only 4, one was an empty netter....but still pretty bad stat line, .852 sv % and 4.03 GAA.  He's given up 4 or more goals in each of his last 4 games

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