Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 21 hours ago, mackel said: Isn't their a rule about political posts? The whole truth is never political. Only half truths and fabrications are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_SP_ 129 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Anyway... Looks like the Sharks are going hard after Nyquist. According to Fox Sports Midwest. https://mobile.twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1099877987057569792 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, _SP_ said: Anyway... Looks like the Sharks are going hard after Nyquist. According to Fox Sports Midwest. https://mobile.twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1099877987057569792 Looks to be a done deal. https://mobile.twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1099896485360087040 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Sounds like a 2nd in 19 and a 3rd in 20.. not sure I’m liking this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 awful man Holland couldn’t even get this deal right f*** .... a lot of teams with firsts available waiting on stupid mark stone I don’t understand the rush to make this deal tonight i knew we were gonna get f***ed thanks to the zucc trade 1 HadThomasVokounOnFortSt reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: awful man Holland couldn’t even get this deal right f*** .... a lot of teams with firsts available waiting on stupid mark stone I don’t understand the rush to make this deal tonight i knew we were gonna get f***ed thanks to the zucc trade I got to think the NTC played a role but god damn, this is brutal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 I don't think anyone should have truly been expecting a 1st. Sure, we were all "hoping" it would happen, but it wasn't likely given the market. I agree that maybe Holland should have waiting until later today, but maybe Nyquist was only willing to waive for San Jose, and they were only willing to give up a 2nd and 3rd. Maybe Wilson said take it or leave it. If Holland wasn't willing to make the deal he was going to New Jersey for Johansson. And if he wasn't willing to make the deal he would have been risking getting nothing (or even less) for him today... 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 I will take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Who's left that "could" be traded today? Howard? Daley? Kronwall? Glendening? Vanek?... The only place that makes sense for Howard is Calgary. Maybe a deal gets done there... Daley sucks and I doubt he gets moved, but I'd be happy with a late pick. I doubt Kronwall gets moved. He likely wants to retire a Wing, and if so, he deserves it. I'd be okay with trading Glendening, but only if it's for a return similar to Jensen / Nyquist. I doubt many teams are interested in Vanek, but with the "tweak" yesterday, Holland might have been getting some calls... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Who's left that "could" be traded today? Howard? Daley? Kronwall? Glendening? Vanek?... The only place that makes sense for Howard is Calgary. Maybe a deal gets done there... Daley sucks and I doubt he gets moved, but I'd be happy with a late pick. I doubt Kronwall gets moved. He likely wants to retire a Wing, and if so, he deserves it. I'd be okay with trading Glendening, but only if it's for a return similar to Jensen / Nyquist. I doubt many teams are interested in Vanek, but with the "tweak" yesterday, Holland might have been getting some calls... Yeah. Wholte lotta meh there. Green could get us a 1st, but clearly he's off the table. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I don't think anyone should have truly been expecting a 1st. Sure, we were all "hoping" it would happen, but it wasn't likely given the market. I agree that maybe Holland should have waiting until later today, but maybe Nyquist was only willing to waive for San Jose, and they were only willing to give up a 2nd and 3rd. Maybe Wilson said take it or leave it. If Holland wasn't willing to make the deal he was going to New Jersey for Johansson. And if he wasn't willing to make the deal he would have been risking getting nothing (or even less) for him today... Deep down I knew he wouldn’t especially after zucc trade but i don’t get why we didn’t wait till today , once stone goes teams will scramble .... if stone hasn’t moved by 12-1 teams will start making some moves regardless and wed have one of the top pieces available jets,preds,Tampa,bruins all have firsts in play ... maybe we could have got a 1st and second back and send them a second back as well so we can land a 1st ,sometimes it’s the quality of the pick and not quantity I was really hoping to get in the 20-30 pick range Hayes and simmonds will 100% fetch a first now and I don’t even think Hayes is that special 30 minutes ago, Dabura said: Yeah. Wholte lotta meh there. Green could get us a 1st, but clearly he's off the table. Well I’m hoping a contender like Pitts values having vanek on a 3rd line ... and I 100% agree we should be shopping green , he’d be #1 dman available easily as where next season he might be 2-3-4th best and if we’re honestnwkth ourselves we ain’t going nowhere next season so Holland should be thinking longterm and moving him so we can maybe land a soderstrom type dman at the draft unfortunetly we can’t change Holland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Well I’m hoping a contender like Pitts values having vanek on a 3rd line ... and I 100% agree we should be shopping green , he’d be #1 dman available easily as where next season he might be 2-3-4th best and if we’re honestnwkth ourselves we ain’t going nowhere next season so Holland should be thinking longterm and moving him so we can maybe land a soderstrom type dman at the draft unfortunetly we can’t change Holland I'm ok with not shopping Green. He wants to be in Detroit and he's an important part of our team. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dabura said: I'm ok with not shopping Green. He wants to be in Detroit and he's an important part of our team. This is what I don’t get right here , important piece of our team? He’s a ufa next year he’s not in our future longterm so if we can get great assets he should be moved without a second thought Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: This is what I don’t get right here , important piece of our team? He’s a ufa next year he’s not in our future longterm so if we can get great assets he should be moved without a second thought Every team needs at least one defenseman who can play top-pairing minutes and put up points and move the puck well. Green's the only player in our system who checks off all of those boxes. We need Green to eat tough minutes while Hronek and Cholowski learn the ropes in less demanding roles. We need some semblance of depth. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 LeBrun on Vanek: 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Deep down I knew he wouldn’t especially after zucc trade but i don’t get why we didn’t wait till today , once stone goes teams will scramble .... if stone hasn’t moved by 12-1 teams will start making some moves regardless and wed have one of the top pieces available jets,preds,Tampa,bruins all have firsts in play ... maybe we could have got a 1st and second back and send them a second back as well so we can land a 1st ,sometimes it’s the quality of the pick and not quantity I was really hoping to get in the 20-30 pick range Hayes and simmonds will 100% fetch a first now and I don’t even think Hayes is that special You missed the part where I said, maybe Nyquist was only willing to waive his NTC to go to San Jose... Nyquist held all the power, and when he negotiated that NTC into his contract, he had every right to take advantage of it... which is why Holland should stop giving out so many, at least FULL NTC's... Maybe one of the teams you mentioned was willing to give up a 1st. That doesn't mean Holland could make the trade if Nyquist wasn't willing to go there. According to many reports, there was quite a bit of interest in Nyquist. You can't really think that Holland had better offers on the table, but decided to trade him to San Jose where he was getting less of a return anyway... 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: You missed the part where I said, maybe Nyquist was only willing to waive his NTC to go to San Jose... Nyquist held all the power, and when he negotiated that NTC into his contract, he had every right to take advantage of it... which is why Holland should stop giving out so many, at least FULL NTC's... Maybe one of the teams you mentioned was willing to give up a 1st. That doesn't mean Holland could make the trade if Nyquist wasn't willing to go there. According to many reports, there was quite a bit of interest in Nyquist. You can't really think that Holland had better offers on the table, but decided to trade him to San Jose where he was getting less of a return anyway... Couldn't they use Witkowski to intimidate Nyquist into waiving his NTC? 2 AtlantaHotWings and nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: You missed the part where I said, maybe Nyquist was only willing to waive his NTC to go to San Jose... Nyquist held all the power, and when he negotiated that NTC into his contract, he had every right to take advantage of it... which is why Holland should stop giving out so many, at least FULL NTC's... Maybe one of the teams you mentioned was willing to give up a 1st. That doesn't mean Holland could make the trade if Nyquist wasn't willing to go there. According to many reports, there was quite a bit of interest in Nyquist. You can't really think that Holland had better offers on the table, but decided to trade him to San Jose where he was getting less of a return anyway... How do you know 100% he was only waiving his ntc to go to sanjose?is there an article on this ! Cause I seriously find it hard to believe he’d say no to Nashville,or Boston etc... wont argue with Holland should stop giving out ntc’s , hopefully we won’t have to worry about Holland much longer. think teams negotiate and I think some of those teams are desperate for mark stone and once he goes teams will go fast and look elsewhere,panic and make stupid moves(hello Vegas) i really find it hard to believe we couldn’t have landed a second and a third on deadline day,but if your telling me it’s 100% sj or bust for Nyquist that’s a different story Just saw on Tsn they put Detroit as one of the teams who are sellers lmao howards got no value , sj has no more 2nds or 1sts lmao ... and Calgary, that guys gonna sadly be here till 40 at this point I hope Babcock pulls a fit and we get a 2nd for glendening Edited February 25, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: How do you know 100% he was only waiving his ntc to go to sanjose?is there an article on this ! Cause I seriously find it hard to believe he’d say no to Nashville,or Boston etc... wont argue with Holland should stop giving out ntc’s , hopefully we won’t have to worry about Holland much longer. think teams negotiate and I think some of those teams are desperate for mark stone and once he goes teams will go fast and look elsewhere,panic and make stupid moves(hello Vegas) i really find it hard to believe we couldn’t have landed a second and a third on deadline day,but if your telling me it’s 100% sj or bust for Nyquist that’s a different story Just saw on Tsn they put Detroit as one of the teams who are sellers lmao howards got no value , sj has no more 2nds or 1sts lmao ... and Calgary, that guys gonna sadly be here till 40 at this point I hope Babcock pulls a fit and we get a 2nd for glendening You missed the part where I said "MAYBE" Nyquist was only willing to waive his NTC to go to San Jose... I don't know what happened 100%... That's the point. None of us do. But sometimes we like to pretend we do and freak out when when what we think "should" happen, doesn't happen... I get it. You wanted more for Nyquist. We all did. But to act as if Holland didn't is absurd. He got what he felt was going to be the best offer on the table. Maybe he's wrong. But maybe he's right, and if he waited until today, he would have only got a 2nd and a throwaway prospect. I'd rather the 2nd and 3rd, that can become another 2nd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: You missed the part where I said "MAYBE" Nyquist was only willing to waive his NTC to go to San Jose... I don't know what happened 100%... That's the point. None of us do. But sometimes we like to pretend we do and freak out when when what we think "should" happen, doesn't happen... I get it. You wanted more for Nyquist. We all did. But to act as if Holland didn't is absurd. He got what he felt was going to be the best offer on the table. Maybe he's wrong. But maybe he's right, and if he waited until today, he would have only got a 2nd and a throwaway prospect. I'd rather the 2nd and 3rd, that can become another 2nd... Alright My bad ... I seriously doubt it though I think we could of had the same return today as we did yesterday , there’s zero chance imo that a team wouldn’t have dealt him for a second and third today , everyone on tsn is basically laughing saying they can’t believe sj got him dirt cheap anyways it is what it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 So no free way to stream TSN Tradecenter this year, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 679 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Why is it more likely that Holland jumped at the first underwhelming offer, than Holland, knowing what was on the table and knowing where Nyquist was willing to go, made the trade with the best return available? 1 1 Dabura and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mckinley25 said: Why is it more likely that Holland jumped at the first underwhelming offer, than Holland, knowing what was on the table and knowing where Nyquist was willing to go, made the trade with the best return available? Because Holland is lazy and he sucks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Hahaha sorry guys it’s my opinion and I ain’t changing it , still don’t think he could have done worse than a second and a 3rd today only thing that changes that is if Gus says sj or no where else and I won’t believe that’s the case till I hear it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 If Holland moves Howard and Vanek today, it will be a good deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
