Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted April 30, 2020 54 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: So nvm we're not getting Kadeykin He dont want Corona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted June 13, 2020 https://www.nhl.com/redwings/news/by-the-numbers-prospects-moritz-seider/c-317158728 https://www.sport.de/news/ne4060671/nhl---eishockey-youngster-moritz-seider-ueber-den-wichtigsten-sommer-in-meiner-karriere/ "He is basically seeing this offseason as his most important so far, as his goal is to make the Wings this fall. Seider is currently on the ice training with Adler Mannheim in Germany, as they prepare for the season." 3 Akakabuto, Wheelchairsuperhero and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLGTrico 628 Report post Posted June 15, 2020 Do we still own the rights to Joren Van Pottelberghe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted June 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, TLGTrico said: Do we still own the rights to Joren Van Pottelberghe? Didn't he kill Natalie Holloway? 1 Wings3:16 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 On 6/15/2020 at 2:36 PM, TLGTrico said: Do we still own the rights to Joren Van Pottelberghe? We don't actually. Time to sign him has come and gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 14 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: We don't actually. Time to sign him has come and gone. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/redwings/reserve-list we still own his rights... 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ely s said: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/redwings/reserve-list we still own his rights... My bad. Literally looked at exactly this and must have missed him. We own his rights indefinitely it says. I assume this means if he ever wants to play in the NHL we have first dibs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted June 28, 2020 yep, it´s the same with some russian guys, there´s no time frame Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,757 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) https://theathletic.com/2009681/2020/09/01/2020-nhl-organizational-rankings-no-18-detroit-red-wings/?source=rss&redirected=1 Detroit ends up at number 18 of the Athletics ranking of farm systems. It's a drop from 13th place from the year before. Make of that what you will but obviously this years draft is another crucial one for our future. Edited September 1, 2020 by Akakabuto 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,757 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 They rank our top 11 prospects as following; 1, Seider 2, Hronek 3, Zadina 4, Veleno 5, McIsaac 6, Rasmussen 7, Cholowski 8, Berggren 9, Söderblom 10, Mastrosimone 11, Johansson They also put down the following in the category of having NHL potential: Tuomisto, Berglund, Barton, Smith, Lindstrom, Larsson(G). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: https://theathletic.com/2009681/2020/09/01/2020-nhl-organizational-rankings-no-18-detroit-red-wings/?source=rss&redirected=1 Detroit ends up at number 18 of the Athletics ranking of farm systems. It's a drop from 13th place from the year before. Make of that what you will but obviously this years draft is crucial for our future. A bit of a teet slap considering where this team's been drafting since 2017. Atta boy Kenny! Edited September 1, 2020 by The 91 of Ryans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,533 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) This doesn't really surprise me. Pronman has always been more bullish on the Wings farm system than the other Athletic prospects writer, Scott Wheeler, has been (Wheeler will do one of these too, and we'll rank higher). In part it can be explained by the fact that his assessments are based off of his initial rankings. So the more Pronman-guys you have the "better" your farm system will be. Generally not a problem, since he tends to get draft range correct most of the time. But he's been very open about the fact that he evaluates players based on the their "star potential" (my words). He really values flashy players. So he'd rank an Quinn Hughes type higher than a Seth Jones type, an Elias Petterson type higher than a Dylan Larkin type. Obviously, the problem with that is there's SOOOOO much more to the game than offensive totals. Having workhorse type guys is super important. Look at Vegas mauling Vancouver without any really dynamic offensive guys. Detroit has got a lot of that type of player as their top prospects: Seider, Rasmussen, Veleno, McIsaac, Mastrosimone all profile that way. If we went out a drafted purely on skill (let's say Raymond, Mysak, and Piorier) with our first three picks this year we'd probably jump WAY up in his rankings because of their dynamic offense, but all of those guys are VERY boom/bust. Edited September 1, 2020 by kipwinger 2 The 91 of Ryans and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, kipwinger said: This doesn't really surprise me. Pronman has always been more bullish on the Wings farm system than the other Athletic prospects writer, Scott Wheeler, has been (Wheeler will do one of these too, and we'll rank higher). In part it can be explained by the fact that his assessments are based off of his initial rankings. So the more Pronman-guys you have the "better" your farm system will be. Generally not a problem, since he tends to get draft range correct most of the time. But he's been very open about the fact that he evaluates players based on the their "star potential" (my words). He really values flashy players. So he'd rank an Quinn Hughes type higher than a Seth Jones type, an Elias Petterson type higher than a Dylan Larkin type. Obviously, the problem with that is there's SOOOOO much more to the game than offensive totals. Having workhorse type guys is super important. Look at Vegas mauling Vancouver without any really dynamic offensive guys. Detroit has got a lot of that type of player as their top prospects: Seider, Rasmussen, Veleno, McIsaac, Mastrosimone all profile that way. If we went out a drafted purely on skill (let's say Raymond, Mysak, and Piorier) with our first three picks this year we'd probably jump WAY up in his rankings because of their dynamic offense, but all of those guys are VERY boom/bust. Agree 100%. Also, this years rankings include anyone (edit) 22 and under. Obviously, a guy like Mathews (or even Svechnikov) shouldn't really be considered a "prospect" any longer. Yet here he is, doing it. Edited September 1, 2020 by The 91 of Ryans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,533 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Agree 100%. Also, this years rankings include anyone (edit) 22 and under. Obviously, a guy like Mathews (or even Svechnikov) shouldn't really be considered a "prospect" any longer. Yet here he is, doing it. He wrote an article about it. Basically he didn't have anything to update since last season because there hasn't been a draft yet. I get it. As I understand it, he's going to update these after the draft. I generally find Pronman's evaluations to be pretty spot on, but I tend to disagree with his weighting system. If he says a guy is a good skater, he's a good skater. If he says a guy has bad decision making, he generally does. Pronman watches a TON of hockey in person, and talks to a lot of scouts. But he tends to weight his criteria in such a way that flashy guys always have more value than quietly effective guys. This is something that I've observed before as well. Back in the 2000s Datsyuk was undoubtably a flashier, more skilled, player than Zetterberg. However for most of their careers (until Z's back blew up) Datsyuk wasn't more effective. Zetterberg always took on the tougher matchups (think Crosby and Toews) and (for most of their careers) scored at a similar rate. But Datsyuk "popped", as Pronman would say, so he's remembered as being a MUCH better player. It's mostly a trick of the eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, kipwinger said: He wrote an article about it. Basically he didn't have anything to update since last season because there hasn't been a draft yet. I get it. As I understand it, he's going to update these after the draft. I generally find Pronman's evaluations to be pretty spot on, but I tend to disagree with his weighting system. If he says a guy is a good skater, he's a good skater. If he says a guy has bad decision making, he generally does. Pronman watches a TON of hockey in person, and talks to a lot of scouts. But he tends to weight his criteria in such a way that flashy guys always have more value than quietly effective guys. This is something that I've observed before as well. Back in the 2000s Datsyuk was undoubtably a flashier, more skilled, player than Zetterberg. However for most of their careers (until Z's back blew up) Datsyuk wasn't more effective. Zetterberg always took on the tougher matchups (think Crosby and Toews) and (for most of their careers) scored at a similar rate. But Datsyuk "popped", as Pronman would say, so he's remembered as being a MUCH better player. It's mostly a trick of the eyes. Fair assessment I think . It's probably why a guy like Zegras topped his prospect rankings back in January. Or even better, Caufiled at 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Akakabuto said: They rank our top 11 prospects as following; 1, Seider 2, Hronek 3, Zadina 4, Veleno 5, McIsaac 6, Rasmussen 7, Cholowski 8, Berggren 9, Söderblom 10, Mastrosimone 11, Johansson They also put down the following in the category of having NHL potential: Tuomisto, Berglund, Barton, Smith, Lindstrom, Larsson(G). McIsaac and Rasmussen should be higher. Cholowski should be lower. Isn't Pronman the jackass who ranked Seider really really low and then ate crow about it later? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: McIsaac and Rasmussen should be higher. Cholowski should be lower. Isn't Pronman the jackass who ranked Seider really really low and then ate crow about it later? I think McIsaac and Rasmussen are right around where they should be, but if anything, they should probably be slightly lower, definitely not higher. There's no one in that top 4 that they should displace. Oh yeah, Zadina probably doesn't crack your top 10 though... Johansson is the one that should be higher in my opinion. Also, why is Hirose graduated but Hronek is not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I think McIsaac and Rasmussen are right around where they should be, but if anything, they should probably be slightly lower, definitely not higher. There's no one in that top 4 that they should displace. Oh yeah, Zadina probably doesn't crack your top 10 though... Johansson is the one that should be higher in my opinion. Also, why is Hirose graduated but Hronek is not? 1st bold: lower? than who? I know who Rasmussen should be higher than. 2nd bold: Agreed. Big time. 3rd bold: Age. He's 24. Hronek is 22. This is a 22 and under list 35 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: McIsaac and Rasmussen should be higher. Cholowski should be lower. Isn't Pronman the jackass who ranked Seider really really low and then ate crow about it later? yerp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: 1st bold: lower? than who? I know who Rasmussen should be higher than. Well, I think we both agree on the top three, and we both know where each other stand on Veleno, hence why I said "definitely not higher". "If anything slightly lower", because I believe you can make a case for a number of players being right there, with McIsaac and Rasmussen, Berggren just to name one. 9 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: 3rd bold: Age. He's 24. Hronek is 22. This is a 22 and under list Odd, but okay... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Well, I think we both agree on the top three, and we both know where each other stand on Veleno, hence why I said "definitely not higher". "If anything slightly lower", because I believe you can make a case for a number of players being right there, with McIsaac and Rasmussen, Berggren just to name one. Odd, but okay... Putting my correct opinion and your incorrect opinion of Ras vs Veleno aside for now, how in hell could you think Berggren deserves a spot at 5 or 6 on this list? The kid has potential but I'm not sure he'll even make the NHL based on health alone. Rasmussen was the 2nd best forward in GRs last year and has a full NHL season under his belt. Not. even.close. Edited September 1, 2020 by The 91 of Ryans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Putting my correct opinion and your incorrect opinion of Ras vs Veleno aside for now, how in hell could you think Berggren deserves a spot at 5 or 6 on this list? The kid has potential but I'm not sure he'll even make the NHL based on health alone. Rasmussen was the 2nd best forward in GRs last year and has a full NHL season under his belt. Not. even.close. I've yet to see anyone credible, rank Rasmussen ahead of Veleno, but okay, my opinion is wrong, and yours is obviously right... Relax with your boy Rasmussen. Again, I was more so making a point that there's no way either should be higher (in my opinion), not so much that either should be lower. I even said right from the beginning, that they're right around where I'd slot them. You're focused on Rasmussen. What about McIsaac? I'm sure you'd agree that a case could be made for a few players there... Berggren has had injury issues, but so has McIsaac... I think the consensus would be Seider, Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen as our top 4 prospects, not including graduates. A case could be made for about 3 or 4 other players for that 5th spot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 Just now, krsmith17 said: I've yet to see anyone credible, rank Rasmussen ahead of Veleno, but okay, my opinion is wrong, and yours is obviously right... Relax with your boy Rasmussen. Again, I was more so making a point that there's no way either should be higher (in my opinion), not so much that either should be lower. I even said right from the beginning, that they're right around where I'd slot them. You're focused on Rasmussen. What about McIsaac? I'm sure you'd agree that a case could be made for a few players there... Berggren has had injury issues, but so has McIsaac... I think the consensus would be Seider, Zadina, Veleno, Rasmussen as our top 4 prospects, not including graduates. A case could be made for about 3 or 4 other players for that 5th spot... You know who I like? Max Bultman. You know who he likes? ........ Anyway Rasmussen's not my boy. He's our boy. Except for you and @nyqvististhefuture. But f***. He would have taken Brannstrom at 9. He'll be your boy too in a few years. I agree with the top 4. Obviously. Rasmussen should be ahead of McIsaac on any list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: I think McIsaac and Rasmussen are right around where they should be, but if anything, they should probably be slightly lower, definitely not higher. There's no one in that top 4 that they should displace. Oh yeah, Zadina probably doesn't crack your top 10 though... That's easy to explain. Ras and McIsaac project to be much more valuable players than Zadina or Veleno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: You know who I like? Max Bultman. You know who he likes? ........ Anyway Rasmussen's not my boy. He's our boy. Except for you and @nyqvististhefuture. But f***. He would have taken Brannstrom at 9. He'll be your boy too in a few years. I agree with the top 4. Obviously. Rasmussen should be ahead of McIsaac on any list. Bultman is great. Yup, he loves Rasmussen, but still has Veleno ahead of him... I also love Rasmussen. I've said as much on several occasions. I'm not sure why you think I don't like him, just because I like Veleno more... 14 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: That's easy to explain. Ras and McIsaac project to be much more valuable players than Zadina or Veleno. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 1, 2020 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: LOL Says the man with no argument 6 hours ago, Akakabuto said: They rank our top 11 prospects as following; 1, Seider 2, Hronek 3, Zadina 4, Veleno 5, McIsaac 6, Rasmussen 7, Cholowski 8, Berggren 9, Söderblom 10, Mastrosimone 11, Johansson They also put down the following in the category of having NHL potential: Tuomisto, Berglund, Barton, Smith, Lindstrom, Larsson(G). I like how Seider is already better than Hronek. Told you dumb ******* Seider was the best. Best Dman outside the NHL for over a year in fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites