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Just a note- The NHL (or the players) did not cancel games.  They just postponed them.  Each series is still a best-of-seven.  They just didn't play for a couple of days and then resumed. 

Honestly, no one is out anything, except for the players spending two more days away from their families.

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9 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Since when is equality a political issue to be debated? It's enshrined in the constitution.

Hate speech is not free speech. C'mon dude.

Umm. Yeah. It actually is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States

Hate speech in the United States is not regulated due to the robust right to free speech found in the American Constitution.[1] The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment. The most recent Supreme Court case on the issue was in 2017, when the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is effectively no "hate speech" exception to the free speech rights protected by the First Amendment.

9 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

No problem my oppressed European brother.

In USA we have freedom of speech. This is freedom to say just about anything in public... But there's the key words: "Just about". Because you do not have the freedom to use "fighting words". Fighting words as defined by wickerpedia: Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.

Therefore hate speech is not free speech. Thank you.

Wrong again. Exceptions to free speech:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising.

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8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising.

Boom. Right there. You don't think hateful racist speech is obscene? I know it's obscene. And any reasonable person would agree with me.

Now you've dragged this thread off topic enough with your alt-right viewpoints. At least try to tie in hockey to what you're posting thanx.

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On 8/27/2020 at 2:06 PM, Akakabuto said:

Atleast the Red Wings are doing their part. They named their top line after the BLM movement.

I just binged watched this entire series, fricken awesome show! Holds up 20 years later!

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3 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

 

How do we fix the NHL?

How TF does NHL have a higher percentage of "other" than MLB? I dont even trust this data. MLB is dominated by latinos and dominicans and i expect them to dominate this category. But hockey - a sport played in privledged northern countries - has more other viewers? Highly doubt. And honestly black viewing of the NHL is only 6% lower than the NFL? Please. Every black guy i know can tell you stafford's rushing stats off the top of their head. None of them ever even heard of steve yzerman though. BS stats or lying pollsters or pollers. 

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On 9/16/2020 at 1:57 PM, Akakabuto said:

 

How do we fix the NHL?

Do you believe this poll?  14% of NHL fans are Black?  That has to be a misprint.  I've never met a single black person who followed hockey.  

On 9/16/2020 at 5:23 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

How TF does NHL have a higher percentage of "other" than MLB? I dont even trust this data. MLB is dominated by latinos and dominicans and i expect them to dominate this category. But hockey - a sport played in privledged northern countries - has more other viewers? Highly doubt. And honestly black viewing of the NHL is only 6% lower than the NFL? Please. Every black guy i know can tell you stafford's rushing stats off the top of their head. None of them ever even heard of steve yzerman though. BS stats or lying pollsters or pollers. 

You live in the Pacific Northwest.  I doubt you know any black people.  I probably saw more black people when I used to live in Russia than you do on a daily basis.  

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On 8/27/2020 at 11:45 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Where was the NHL when Jacob Blake was being murdered? Oh ya know, just off not giving a f***

First off, Jacob Blake wasn't murdered. And he showed back up at the home of a woman he molested. So F him. The only thing I'm sorry about is that there's a chance his paralysis is temporary.  For a guy about "legs", you would have been a better recipient than that sexual predating thug.

Now let's get into a real conversation about police and black people...
 

"https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Much of modern policing is driven by crime data and community demands for help. The African American community tends to be policed more heavily, because that is where people are disproportionately hurt by violent street crime. In New York City in 2018, 73% of shooting victims were Black, though Black residents comprise only 24% of the city’s population.

Nationally, African Americans between the ages of 10 and 34 die from homicide at 13 times the rate of white Americans, according to researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Justice Department."

>>I promise you, police are not shooting 13x as many blacks as whites.   You know who is shooting blacks?  Black gangs.

Fatherlessness and Gangs are the two factors most affecting Black people.  Is racial profiling an issue? Absolutely. I've literally taken Crime and Punishment, Sociology of Criminology, etc. courses at a 4-year institution taught both by defense lawyers and former law enforcement professionals.  I've had both ideologies presented and both sides are right - but they focus on different issues, and only their own issues, instead of focusing on ALL the issues as a whole.

The police are encountering Gang members daily, and the majority are carrying weapons.  Innocent black people are facing profiling, by police and business. They're both issues.  And they do need addressed. But this "pandemic" of unarmed blacks dying at the hands of police officers is B.S. fed to drive division.

I'll leave you with one last quote from the article:

The number of unarmed Black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began. There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year. The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of that total.


0.2% is not a pandemic.  Hell, 3-5% of people that catch COVID are dying, and folks are complaining THAT isn't a pandemic. What's 6% of 3%?     4% of 5%?    Literally nothing. 

That's what this is.

Much bigger issues affecting blacks are laws that declare crimes without victims and sentencing that is blatantly racist.  On top of making a good defense unaffordable.   People are going to jail for decades for nonviolent crimes - mostly POC.  Meanwhile, afflicted-by-affluenza rich white boy rapes a girl and doesn't serve a day.

The punishments don't fit the crimes.  But blacks need to stop freakin' canonizing criminals like Jacob Blake and Antwon Rose.  Those dirt bags deserved what they got.  Neither one of them were condemned for their "past", it was literally their present - Jacob Blake was back at the girl's house that he molested (NOT "breaking up a fight between two girls" like the first freakin' narrative) and Antwon LITERALLY just shot a man, they KNEW it was the right vehicle (people don't drive around with blown out back windows on their vehicles), and took off running with a metal object (turns out, it was a magazine - LITERALLY part of a firearm) in his hand.

White people need to understand that black people didn't get equal treatment when slavery ended.

Black people need to understand that sometimes black people get shot for good reason.

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On 9/16/2020 at 2:57 PM, Akakabuto said:

 

How do we fix the NHL?

Why does it need F'ing fixed?  Black people flock to basketball and football.  I don't see black people concerned about the lack of representation of whites in the NBA or concern for white viewership? 

So black people don't care for hockey. Who cares???   In our town, you don't rank hockey families by their color. You rank them by their INCOME.  Hockey families live in quarter million dollar homes.

The only way you're going to fix this is by making hockey equipment more affordable.  Evander Kane didn't come from the hood. He wasn't raised poor. All of his family members are elite athletes and he played travel hockey his entire life.

You want inner cities to take hold of the NHL?    Basketball is on poured concrete and requires a $12 basketball at Target.  $7 at Walmart. Who is going to pay to maintain the rink?  Who is going to pay for hundreds of dollars of goalie equipment?  Sticks?  Gloves? Helmets?

Why do you think poor countries play soccer?  Literally ANYTHING can represent a goal (two sticks, two trash cans, etc.) and a ball. 

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On 9/16/2020 at 1:57 PM, Akakabuto said:

 

How do we fix the NHL?

The difference in many of the comparisons is a percentage point or two.  In a survey of 400k people, that is not a lot of people.

That said, even though there are differences, why do we assume that it needs fixing?  This is not a question of whether or not people are allowed to like or choose something, but what it is that they choose. 

We tend to like and follow teams and sports that our family like or that our friends are into.  If a person is from a city or region that hosts a team, (or if a parent is from said place) the likelihood that a person will follow a specific team is higher.  Obviously, this is not always true.  My dad (from Detroit) loved every team from Detroit.  My mom (from southern Illinois) liked Cardinals baseball.  I have no love for baseball or basketball, but love Wings and Lions.  In her later life, after marriage, Mom became a big Wings fan.  She still hates football, even though Dad coached it.

When this fanhood travels through families and communities, it shapes a person's team preferences, which may shape sports preferences in general.

When I was growing up, every kid had a pair of skates and the boys had hockey sticks and pucks.  That was all we needed to play hockey.  We hit balls around with the sticks in the summer.  We also played with basketballs and baseballs and footballs.  This was fun until they figured out that the reason that I did not own any of these things because I was a girl.  That sucked.

This was in Saskatchewan.  We had a rink and ice aplenty, even in a very small town.  It was part of the culture.  Moving south to the US, there was still ice, but not the hockey culture.  Had I moved slightly east, I'd have been in Minnesota, aka "the State of Hockey". 

It's about your family, your community, and your geographical location.  Race may be (and likely is) a factor in at least one of these, but this does not inherently mean that it needs fixing.  It just means that different families, communities, and cultures like different things.  While we want to open the world of hockey to all people, it doesn't mean that we have to "fix" it.  We just have to market it to people who may not have been exposed to it.  We also have to accept that there are people (meaning individuals, not groups) who just have no interest in hockey, or sports in general.  As long as no one is being excluded, it is a matter of personal opinion.

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31 minutes ago, 55fan said:

The difference in many of the comparisons is a percentage point or two.  In a survey of 400k people, that is not a lot of people.

That said, even though there are differences, why do we assume that it needs fixing?  This is not a question of whether or not people are allowed to like or choose something, but what it is that they choose. 

We tend to like and follow teams and sports that our family like or that our friends are into.  If a person is from a city or region that hosts a team, (or if a parent is from said place) the likelihood that a person will follow a specific team is higher.  Obviously, this is not always true.  My dad (from Detroit) loved every team from Detroit.  My mom (from southern Illinois) liked Cardinals baseball.  I have no love for baseball or basketball, but love Wings and Lions.  In her later life, after marriage, Mom became a big Wings fan.  She still hates football, even though Dad coached it.

When this fanhood travels through families and communities, it shapes a person's team preferences, which may shape sports preferences in general.

When I was growing up, every kid had a pair of skates and the boys had hockey sticks and pucks.  That was all we needed to play hockey.  We hit balls around with the sticks in the summer.  We also played with basketballs and baseballs and footballs.  This was fun until they figured out that the reason that I did not own any of these things because I was a girl.  That sucked.

This was in Saskatchewan.  We had a rink and ice aplenty, even in a very small town.  It was part of the culture.  Moving south to the US, there was still ice, but not the hockey culture.  Had I moved slightly east, I'd have been in Minnesota, aka "the State of Hockey". 

It's about your family, your community, and your geographical location.  Race may be (and likely is) a factor in at least one of these, but this does not inherently mean that it needs fixing.  It just means that different families, communities, and cultures like different things.  While we want to open the world of hockey to all people, it doesn't mean that we have to "fix" it.  We just have to market it to people who may not have been exposed to it.  We also have to accept that there are people (meaning individuals, not groups) who just have no interest in hockey, or sports in general.  As long as no one is being excluded, it is a matter of personal opinion.

I see what you are saying, and for the most part I agree. The one thing I would say, is hockey is likely losing out on some of the better athletes in the word when those athletes are from low income families given the incredibly high cost associated with minor league hockey. If you are a kid who is a HUGE hockey fan growing up, but your family is just scraping by, its a lot easier for your parents to put you in baseball, football, or basketball compared to hockey. Not saying I have a solution, but this may be the one area where something could be changed. 

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On 9/18/2020 at 12:47 PM, _SP_ said:

First off, Jacob Blake wasn't murdered. And he showed back up at the home of a woman he molested. So F him. The only thing I'm sorry about is that there's a chance his paralysis is temporary.  For a guy about "legs", you would have been a better recipient than that sexual predating thug.

Now let's get into a real conversation about police and black people...
 

"https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Much of modern policing is driven by crime data and community demands for help. The African American community tends to be policed more heavily, because that is where people are disproportionately hurt by violent street crime. In New York City in 2018, 73% of shooting victims were Black, though Black residents comprise only 24% of the city’s population.

Nationally, African Americans between the ages of 10 and 34 die from homicide at 13 times the rate of white Americans, according to researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Justice Department."

>>I promise you, police are not shooting 13x as many blacks as whites.   You know who is shooting blacks?  Black gangs.

Fatherlessness and Gangs are the two factors most affecting Black people.  Is racial profiling an issue? Absolutely. I've literally taken Crime and Punishment, Sociology of Criminology, etc. courses at a 4-year institution taught both by defense lawyers and former law enforcement professionals.  I've had both ideologies presented and both sides are right - but they focus on different issues, and only their own issues, instead of focusing on ALL the issues as a whole.

The police are encountering Gang members daily, and the majority are carrying weapons.  Innocent black people are facing profiling, by police and business. They're both issues.  And they do need addressed. But this "pandemic" of unarmed blacks dying at the hands of police officers is B.S. fed to drive division.

I'll leave you with one last quote from the article:

The number of unarmed Black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began. There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year. The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of that total.


0.2% is not a pandemic.  Hell, 3-5% of people that catch COVID are dying, and folks are complaining THAT isn't a pandemic. What's 6% of 3%?     4% of 5%?    Literally nothing. 

That's what this is.

Much bigger issues affecting blacks are laws that declare crimes without victims and sentencing that is blatantly racist.  On top of making a good defense unaffordable.   People are going to jail for decades for nonviolent crimes - mostly POC.  Meanwhile, afflicted-by-affluenza rich white boy rapes a girl and doesn't serve a day.

The punishments don't fit the crimes.  But blacks need to stop freakin' canonizing criminals like Jacob Blake and Antwon Rose.  Those dirt bags deserved what they got.  Neither one of them were condemned for their "past", it was literally their present - Jacob Blake was back at the girl's house that he molested (NOT "breaking up a fight between two girls" like the first freakin' narrative) and Antwon LITERALLY just shot a man, they KNEW it was the right vehicle (people don't drive around with blown out back windows on their vehicles), and took off running with a metal object (turns out, it was a magazine - LITERALLY part of a firearm) in his hand.

White people need to understand that black people didn't get equal treatment when slavery ended.

Black people need to understand that sometimes black people get shot for good reason.

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Diversity in hockey, or anything else, is a good thing so long as it isn't done for its own sake. Diversity, for the sake of diversity, is counter-productive. Don't do it. The NHL should be made up of the 713 best hockey players in the world, period. Nothing else should matter but ability, talent, and to some extent, character. Beyond that, IDC.

The NHL knows it has a diversity issue, and has done a good job reaching out and bringing the sport into new communities. They've invested millions to grow the sport among non-traditional demographics. This can only be a good thing, as it will not only help to grow the fan base, it will grow the player pool as well, resulting in an increase in talent.

The end result is more money for the NHL, a greater quality of product for the fans, and more opportunities for kids living in those communities. It's a win-win-win.

That said, hockey will always be a sport that lags behind when it comes to diversity and popularity. Equipment is expensive. It can only be played seasonally outdoors in colder climates and indoor ice rinks are often few and far between. And ice time can be expensive. All of this works against growth of the sport. Basketball and soccer are just easier and cheaper to play, and will always be more popular, even when hockey is more readily available.

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On 9/18/2020 at 1:25 PM, GMRwings1983 said:

Do you believe this poll?  14% of NHL fans are Black?  That has to be a misprint.  I've never met a single black person who followed hockey.  

You live in the Pacific Northwest.  I doubt you know any black people.  I probably saw more black people when I used to live in Russia than you do on a daily basis.  

It's true. Seattle is 89% white and probably 10% Asian-American. And yet despite living in this ivory tower (har har) away from these problems we still recognize the systemic oppression of people of color. You should try it. 

On 9/18/2020 at 1:47 PM, _SP_ said:

First off, Jacob Blake wasn't murdered. And he showed back up at the home of a woman he molested. So F him. The only thing I'm sorry about is that there's a chance his paralysis is temporary.  For a guy about "legs", you would have been a better recipient than that sexual predating thug.

Now let's get into a real conversation about police and black people...
 

"https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Much of modern policing is driven by crime data and community demands for help. The African American community tends to be policed more heavily, because that is where people are disproportionately hurt by violent street crime. In New York City in 2018, 73% of shooting victims were Black, though Black residents comprise only 24% of the city’s population.

Nationally, African Americans between the ages of 10 and 34 die from homicide at 13 times the rate of white Americans, according to researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Justice Department."

>>I promise you, police are not shooting 13x as many blacks as whites.   You know who is shooting blacks?  Black gangs.

Fatherlessness and Gangs are the two factors most affecting Black people.  Is racial profiling an issue? Absolutely. I've literally taken Crime and Punishment, Sociology of Criminology, etc. courses at a 4-year institution taught both by defense lawyers and former law enforcement professionals.  I've had both ideologies presented and both sides are right - but they focus on different issues, and only their own issues, instead of focusing on ALL the issues as a whole.

The police are encountering Gang members daily, and the majority are carrying weapons.  Innocent black people are facing profiling, by police and business. They're both issues.  And they do need addressed. But this "pandemic" of unarmed blacks dying at the hands of police officers is B.S. fed to drive division.

I'll leave you with one last quote from the article:

The number of unarmed Black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began. There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year. The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of that total.


0.2% is not a pandemic.  Hell, 3-5% of people that catch COVID are dying, and folks are complaining THAT isn't a pandemic. What's 6% of 3%?     4% of 5%?    Literally nothing. 

That's what this is.

Much bigger issues affecting blacks are laws that declare crimes without victims and sentencing that is blatantly racist.  On top of making a good defense unaffordable.   People are going to jail for decades for nonviolent crimes - mostly POC.  Meanwhile, afflicted-by-affluenza rich white boy rapes a girl and doesn't serve a day.

The punishments don't fit the crimes.  But blacks need to stop freakin' canonizing criminals like Jacob Blake and Antwon Rose.  Those dirt bags deserved what they got.  Neither one of them were condemned for their "past", it was literally their present - Jacob Blake was back at the girl's house that he molested (NOT "breaking up a fight between two girls" like the first freakin' narrative) and Antwon LITERALLY just shot a man, they KNEW it was the right vehicle (people don't drive around with blown out back windows on their vehicles), and took off running with a metal object (turns out, it was a magazine - LITERALLY part of a firearm) in his hand.

White people need to understand that black people didn't get equal treatment when slavery ended.

Black people need to understand that sometimes black people get shot for good reason.

Um sweetie... who hurt you? I just spent three hours trying to digest this and this whole message still gets a big YIKES from me. Let's unpack this: It's almost as if maybe... just maybe... your own problematic and toxic views on people of color are the real problem here. Let that sink in.

You talk as if you know the troubles and trials that people of color unfairly face. You don't. Ever stop and wonder why the homicide rate in black communities is so much worse than in white ones? Because of years and years of systemic oppression and racism. And we have a long way to go before the white stranglehold on black communities are undone and black economies can flourish. When white cops, oppressors, and colonizers, are removed then these communities will flourish. I went to college too ya see. Sociology 201. 

Sweet summer child, you are why normal people like me are losing faith in humanity. It's called being a decent human being, you should try it sometime soon.

21 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Diversity in hockey, or anything else, is a good thing so long as it isn't done for its own sake. Diversity, for the sake of diversity, is counter-productive. Don't do it. The NHL should be made up of the 713 best hockey players in the world, period. Nothing else should matter but ability, talent, and to some extent, character. Beyond that, IDC.

The NHL knows it has a diversity issue, and has done a good job reaching out and bringing the sport into new communities. They've invested millions to grow the sport among non-traditional demographics. This can only be a good thing, as it will not only help to grow the fan base, it will grow the player pool as well, resulting in an increase in talent.

The end result is more money for the NHL, a greater quality of product for the fans, and more opportunities for kids living in those communities. It's a win-win-win.

That said, hockey will always be a sport that lags behind when it comes to diversity and popularity. Equipment is expensive. It can only be played seasonally outdoors in colder climates and indoor ice rinks are often few and far between. And ice time can be expensive. All of this works against growth of the sport. Basketball and soccer are just easier and cheaper to play, and will always be more popular, even when hockey is more readily available.

Why do you think black folks can't afford to play hockey, but white folks can?

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5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

It's true. Seattle is 89% white and probably 10% Asian-American. And yet despite living in this ivory tower (har har) away from these problems we still recognize the systemic oppression of people of color. You should try it. 

Um sweetie... who hurt you? I just spent three hours trying to digest this and this whole message still gets a big YIKES from me. Let's unpack this: It's almost as if maybe... just maybe... your own problematic and toxic views on people of color are the real problem here. Let that sink in.

You talk as if you know the troubles and trials that people of color unfairly face. You don't. Ever stop and wonder why the homicide rate in black communities is so much worse than in white ones? Because of years and years of systemic oppression and racism. And we have a long way to go before the white stranglehold on black communities are undone and black economies can flourish. When white cops, oppressors, and colonizers, are removed then these communities will flourish. I went to college too ya see. Sociology 201. 

Sweet summer child, you are why normal people like me are losing faith in humanity. It's called being a decent human being, you should try it sometime soon.

You are so F'ing brainwashed LMFAO.  Whitey is the reason why two black 16-year-olds are shooting at each other... got it.  THAT is your explanation for homicides between two black men?  I'm guessing whitey is also the reason why fatherlessness is almost 60% in the black community?

Show me on this doll where whitey hurt you. 

And, "sweetie", you're obviously a degenerate.  How old will you be before you take responsibility for your actions - either online or IRL?  Maybe by 70?  
 

You and LeBron can suck it. Now LeBron is telling the world white privilege is the reason why Lori Loughlin is getting to pick her prison............  which, is actually a part of her plea bargain, which Sean Berkowitz & William Trach negotiated as part of... get this... her plea bargain. She agreed to change her plea so long as the prosecutor made specific recommendations to the judge.  You know how you get better terms for your plea bargain......?  

By affording a damn good lawyer.  It's RICH privilege, not WHITE privilege.  My poor white ass doesn't make six figures, let alone have a net worth of $100 MILLION. 

You think all white people get that treatment...?  Boy.........  that's mighty racist of you to group all white people together like that!

 

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https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/08/21/giannulli-lori-loughlin-plea-deal-college-bribery

"Under the plea deal, Giannulli will also pay a $250,000 fine and perform 250 hours of community service. Loughlin will pay a $150,000 fine and perform 100 hours of community service. Unlike most plea agreements, in which the judge remains free to decide the defendant’s sentence, Loughlin’s and Giannulli’s proposed prison terms were binding once accepted.

The famous couple’s sentencing comes three months after they reversed course and admitted to participating in the college admissions cheating scheme that has laid bare the lengths to which some wealthy parents will go to get their kids into elite universities.

They are among nearly 30 prominent parents to plead guilty in the case, which federal prosecutors dubbed “Operation Varsity Blues.” It uncovered hefty bribes to get undeserving kids into college with rigged test scores or fake athletic credentials."


Again, power goes to the rich. The fact that you think white folks making less than $100K are the same as these people blows my mind.

And the fact that you think white people had anything to do with Jacob Blake molesting a girl is FVCKED UP.

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2 hours ago, _SP_ said:

You are so F'ing brainwashed LMFAO.  Whitey is the reason why two black 16-year-olds are shooting at each other... got it.  THAT is your explanation for homicides between two black men?

>100 years of slavery
>followed by 100 years of no freedom
>followed by 80 years of racial discrimination

You: "LMAO why do these vilified communities with no money and no job prospects resort to black market trade and criminal violence???"

You claim to be educated in liberal arts, but can't even grasp basic socioeconomic dynamics? Sweetie, let me ask, how is the wifi speed in that double-wide?

2 hours ago, _SP_ said:

I'm guessing whitey is also the reason why fatherlessness is almost 60% in the black community?

Yes. Fatherlessness in the black community can be squarely blamed on the Great Society programs instituted by LBJ. A WHITE guy.

Before these welfare programs were instituted the black communities fatherlessness problem was marginal compared to whites. It sky-rocketed afterwards into what it is today. It incentives mothers on welfare to have as many children (and therefore partners) as possible, as this grants them more welfare benefits. It instantly undermined any community at risk - in this case the African-American one. Whitey strikes again...

2 hours ago, _SP_ said:

Show me on this doll where whitey hurt you. 

And, "sweetie", you're obviously a degenerate.  How old will you be before you take responsibility for your actions - either online or IRL?  Maybe by 70?  

Typical. Engage in ad hominem attacks instead of accepting that your views are outdated and backwards... *sigh*

2 hours ago, _SP_ said:

You and LeBron can suck it. Now LeBron is telling the world white privilege is the reason why Lori Loughlin is getting to pick her prison............  which, is actually a part of her plea bargain, which Sean Berkowitz & William Trach negotiated as part of... get this... her plea bargain. She agreed to change her plea so long as the prosecutor made specific recommendations to the judge.  You know how you get better terms for your plea bargain......?  

By affording a damn good lawyer.  It's RICH privilege, not WHITE privilege.  My poor white ass doesn't make six figures, let alone have a net worth of $100 MILLION. 

You think all white people get that treatment...?  Boy.........  that's mighty racist of you to group all white people together like that!

 

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https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/08/21/giannulli-lori-loughlin-plea-deal-college-bribery

"Under the plea deal, Giannulli will also pay a $250,000 fine and perform 250 hours of community service. Loughlin will pay a $150,000 fine and perform 100 hours of community service. Unlike most plea agreements, in which the judge remains free to decide the defendant’s sentence, Loughlin’s and Giannulli’s proposed prison terms were binding once accepted.

The famous couple’s sentencing comes three months after they reversed course and admitted to participating in the college admissions cheating scheme that has laid bare the lengths to which some wealthy parents will go to get their kids into elite universities.

They are among nearly 30 prominent parents to plead guilty in the case, which federal prosecutors dubbed “Operation Varsity Blues.” It uncovered hefty bribes to get undeserving kids into college with rigged test scores or fake athletic credentials."


Again, power goes to the rich. The fact that you think white folks making less than $100K are the same as these people blows my mind.

And the fact that you think white people had anything to do with Jacob Blake molesting a girl is FVCKED UP.

Last I checked Lebron didn't play hockey. Due try to stay on topic.

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Color Of Hockey - By Singh Harnarayan

Here's a good read for you Fox & Friends...

Singh chronicles his rise to becoming the most formidable hockey commentator in all of Canada despite bullying for being brown, and everyone telling him he could never do it because it's a white mans sport. And he does it all with a certain panache and splash of humor. It will restore your faith in hockey. A must read for 2020. 

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

>100 years of slavery
>followed by 100 years of no freedom
>followed by 80 years of racial discrimination

You: "LMAO why do these vilified communities with no money and no job prospects resort to black market trade and criminal violence???"

You claim to be educated in liberal arts, but can't even grasp basic socioeconomic dynamics? Sweetie, let me ask, how is the wifi speed in that double-wide?

Yes. Fatherlessness in the black community can be squarely blamed on the Great Society programs instituted by LBJ. A WHITE guy.

Before these welfare programs were instituted the black communities fatherlessness problem was marginal compared to whites. It sky-rocketed afterwards into what it is today. It incentives mothers on welfare to have as many children (and therefore partners) as possible, as this grants them more welfare benefits. It instantly undermined any community at risk - in this case the African-American one. Whitey strikes again...

Typical. Engage in ad hominem attacks instead of accepting that your views are outdated and backwards... *sigh*

Last I checked Lebron didn't play hockey. Due try to stay on topic.

No job prospects?? Have you seen the "now hiring" signs lining every street in America?

What does not having a job have to do with gangs recruiting young black boys as early as elementary school have to do with white people?

I already wrote about the responsibilities and culpability white people have in this. Apparently you missed it when I *gasp* said black people need to take on some self-responsibility too. What do you say to the successful black folks??

Also, we went way left of hockey, so I don't think it's out of bounds to include yesterday's #1 twitter and ESPN story, you dense douchebag.

And, by the way sweetie... you ******* started the name calling when you couldn't handle facts, you ******* douchebag.

I apparently am the only of us that graduated with a four-year degree. But you take your 200-level "woe is black peepole" liberal arts associate's and eat it. That, or sit on a hockey stick until the blade rips your F'ing voice box out. How's that for hockey relevance you ******* douchebag??

The fact that you blame white people for black fathers not sticking by their kids... and somehow twist it into blaming welfare... while at the same time saying there aren't enough programs for black people to succeed.... is such a logical ******* brain scrambler I have no idea how you actually believe the words you type.

 

Douchebag. 

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If, as you suggest, the solution to the plights of a desperate class are to seize sole arbitration of their destiny, irrespective of exogenous obstacles, what then remains as the explanation for the current state?  
 

I guess I would also be curious as to how the point of opportunity can be determined, given a concession was made to some effects of discrimination.  Particularly with your added example of an exception, which seems to undermine your position as that would obviously be attributed to causal factors, and if not, then again, what alternative remains?

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2 hours ago, _SP_ said:

No job prospects?? Have you seen the "now hiring" signs lining every street in America?

What does not having a job have to do with gangs recruiting young black boys as early as elementary school have to do with white people?

I already wrote about the responsibilities and culpability white people have in this. Apparently you missed it when I *gasp* said black people need to take on some self-responsibility too. What do you say to the successful black folks??

Also, we went way left of hockey, so I don't think it's out of bounds to include yesterday's #1 twitter and ESPN story, you dense douchebag.

And, by the way sweetie... you ******* started the name calling when you couldn't handle facts, you ******* douchebag.

I apparently am the only of us that graduated with a four-year degree. But you take your 200-level "woe is black peepole" liberal arts associate's and eat it. That, or sit on a hockey stick until the blade rips your F'ing voice box out. How's that for hockey relevance you ******* douchebag??

The fact that you blame white people for black fathers not sticking by their kids... and somehow twist it into blaming welfare... while at the same time saying there aren't enough programs for black people to succeed.... is such a logical ******* brain scrambler I have no idea how you actually believe the words you type.

 

Douchebag. 

Oh sweet summer child, no no no no no. This kind of hate speech is not welcome here. Either learn to talk about NHL diversity without hate and bigotry or find the door. 

Fact of the matter is blacks earn a lot less on average than whites in this country. That prevents them from engaging in expensive sports like hockey and robs our sport of great athletes. I think they earn less on average cause whitey has systematically oppressed them for the last 300 years. You think they earn less cause of genetics or whatever messed up alt right narrative you believe... yikes. 

 

 

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On 9/2/2020 at 8:33 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Boom. Right there. You don't think hateful racist speech is obscene? I know it's obscene. And any reasonable person would agree with me.

Now you've dragged this thread off topic enough with your alt-right viewpoints. At least try to tie in hockey to what you're posting thanx.

It absolutely is obscene. However, in Matal v Tam the Supreme Court ruled against that argument and deemed it protected. Interestingly enough, the first amendment doesn’t protect recourse from your place of employment (NHL) or prohibit the state you live in from setting their own standard on hate speech (most states have their own civil rights amendment). Though a state would probably be limited in prosecuting one criminally, it would not protect an individual from civil penalties or loss of employment. 

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12 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Oh sweet summer child, no no no no no. This kind of hate speech is not welcome here. Either learn to talk about NHL diversity without hate and bigotry or find the door. 

Fact of the matter is blacks earn a lot less on average than whites in this country. That prevents them from engaging in expensive sports like hockey and robs our sport of great athletes. I think they earn less on average cause whitey has systematically oppressed them for the last 300 years. You think they earn less cause of genetics or whatever messed up alt right narrative you believe... yikes. 

 

 

First off, Go F yourself.  You got absolutely abused with facts that address the core issues on both sides of the problem and you addressed just one... the one that makes you and your side a victim.  Good job.

Secondly, Go F yourself. You want to call people "sweetie" and then talk about how people talk to others? You're ******* douchebag.

Thirdly, Go F yourself. I point out responsibilities on all sides, and then you call me a racist because how dare I suggest black people quit shooting each other?  That's typical of your ilk.  If you don't support the BLM agenda, and apologize to the far left for having the audacity to be born white, then you're a racist.  You're the worst type of white ultra-liberal turd. 

Fourthly, Go F yourself.

Fifthly, Go F yourself.

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On 9/21/2020 at 9:15 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Why do you think black poor folks can't afford to play hockey, but white rich folks can?

Fixed it for you.

Not all white kids can afford to play hockey you racist douchebag. 

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