2021 Draft

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/ranking-every-goalie-selected-in-the-first-round-since-2000/

"We are in an era where goalies are rarely selected in the first-round of NHL Entry Drafts. There are multiple reasons for it and perhaps the main reason is because the bulk of them don't only fail to become number one netminders, but many don't even play in an NHL game.

That's at least what has happened historically. Of the 27 goalies drafted between 2000-2015 in the first round, only a few have become "elite," some have become consistent number ones, and others have either a) not played a second of NHL action or b) played less than 10 games.

It's clearly a risk for NHL general managers to spend a franchise-changing pick on a goaltender when it's clear most of them aren't going to be as good as a team hopes. In fact, think of the league's elite goalies and how few of them were first-round picks."

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14 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

This isn't even a quote from Yzerman

Pretty sure he said it or something like it at some point.

[Scott R Lucidi 455]

3 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Red Wings current draft pedigree:

• Bobby Ryan: 1st round, #2 overall <------------ UFA
• Filip Zadina: 1st round, #6 overall
• Sam Gagner: 1st round, #6 overall <------------ UFA
• Michael Rasmussen: 1st round, #9 overall
• Jonathan Bernier: 1st round, #11 overall <----- UFA
• Marc Staal: 1st round, #12 overall <------------- UFA
• Jakub Vrana: 1st round, #13 overall
• Dylan Larkin: 1st round, #15 overall
• Evgeny Svechnikov: 1st round, #19 overall
• Dennis Cholowski: 1st round, #20 overall
• Anthony Mantha: 1st round, #20 overall <------ Traded
• Robby Fabbri: 1st round, #21 overall
• Vlad Namestnikov: 1st round, #27 overall
• Joe Veleno: 1st round, #30 overall
• Adam Erne: 2nd round, #33 overall
• Gustav Lindstrom, 2nd round, #38 overall
• Jon Merrill: 2nd round, #38 overall <-------------- Traded
• Patrik Nemeth: 2nd round, #41 overall <--------- Traded
• Givani Smith: 2nd round, #46 overall
• Calvin Pickard: 2nd round, #49 overall <--------- UFA
• Richard Panik: 2nd round, #52 overall
• Filip Hronek: 2nd round, #53 overall
• Tyler Bertuzzi: 2nd round, #58 overall
• Frans Nielsen: 3rd round, #87 overall
• Thomas Greiss: 3rd round, #94 overall
• Val Filppula: 3rd round, #95 overall <------------- UFA
• Darren Helm: 5th round, #132 overall <----------- UFA
• Alex Biega: 5th round, #147 overall <-------------- UFA
• Christian Djoos: 7th round, #195 overall <-------- UFA
• Luke Glendening: Undrafted <----------------------- UFA
• Danny Dekeyser: Undrafted
• Troy Stecher: Undrafted
• Mattias Brome: Undrafted <--------------------------- UFA
• Taro Hirose: Undrafted <------------------------------- UFA

Round distribution:

• 1st round: 14
• 2nd round: 9
• 3rd round: 3
• 4th round: 0
• 5th round: 2
• 6th round: 0
• 7th round: 1
• Undrafted: 5

 

• Mean: Round 2
• Median: Round 2
• Mode: Round 1
• Outliers: Round 5 and 7

*Undrafted not included

Position distribution:

• Mean: #47 overall
• Median: #33 overall
• Outliers: #132 (Helm), #147 (Biega), #195 (Djoos)

*Undrafted not included

• 3% of the team was a top5 pick
• 12% of the team was a top10 pick
• 24% of the team was a top15 pick
• 41% of the team was drafted in the 1st round
• 68% of the team was drafted in the first two rounds

 

• 50% of the 1st round picks were drafted by the Red Wings
• 7% of the the 1st round picks were drafted by Yzerman
• 48% of the players from the first two rounds were drafted by the Red Wings
• 13% of the players from the first two rounds were drafted by Yzerman

Among players who are not UFA or have been traded (and lumping in Seider):

• 1st round: 10
• 2nd round: 6
• 3rd round: 2
• Undrafted: 2

Round distribution:

• Mean: Round 1.55
• Median: Round 1
• Mode: Round 1

Position distribution:

• Mean: 35 overall
• Median: 28.5 overall

 

• 0% of the team is a top5 pick
• 15% of the team is a top10 pick
• 25% of the team is a top15 pick
• 50% of the team is a 1st round pick
• 80% of the team is from the first two rounds

 

• 70% of the first round picks are drafted by the Red Wings
• 20% of the first round picks are drafted by Yzerman
• 10% of the first round picks are drafted by Yzerman and the Red Wings
• 69% of the players from the first two rounds are drafted by the Red Wings
• 25% of the players from the first two rounds are drafted by Yzerman
• 6% of the the players from the first two rounds are drafted by the Red Wings and Yzerman

Don't ask me why I did this.

Im stoked you did.  That's cool info.

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3 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Don't ask me why I did this.

Pornhub was down for maintenance?

[F.Michael 4,590]

Watched a vid on Mason McTavish a few days ago...Seems like a power forward in the making.

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/petes-mctavish-on-battling-with-giroux-at-summer-skates-admiring~2220602

Edited June 17, 2021 by F.Michael

[The 91 of Ryans 3,015]

16 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Watched a vid on Mason McTavish a few days ago...Seems like a power forward in the making.

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/petes-mctavish-on-battling-with-giroux-at-summer-skates-admiring~2220602

One fan described him as a "rich man's Abdlekader" which I found to be quite terrifying. 

edit: If Holland were still here and Cue Ball was still running the draft I bet he'd be our guy. I hope Yzerman assumes some risk and swings more for a high ceiling skilled guy

Edited June 17, 2021 by The 91 of Ryans

[F.Michael 4,590]

2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

One fan described him as a "rich man's Abdlekader" which I found to be quite terrifying. 

Opinions are like buttholes...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,015]

2 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

Opinions are like buttholes...

Uh. Look around. Obviously. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, F.Michael said:

Opinions are like buttholes...

Theyre often stuffed with cylindrical objects?

[Rivalred 630]

2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Theyre often stuffed with cylindrical objects?

Wrong hole 

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2 hours ago, Rivalred said:

Wrong hole 

Maybe where you come from.

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Maybe where you come from.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RpQJanLw53M

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On 6/18/2021 at 2:19 PM, Hookersarethefuture said:

In the New athletic podcast with max and craig , craig said theres less than 10% chance of either goalies being there in the 20’s as too many teams are interested in them . Maybe that’ll knock some sense into some people living in a dreamworld where we’ll get cossa at 22

Who in their right mind would even suggest Jesper Wallstadt falling in the the 20's? Doubtful if Wallstadt goes past 13th overall. And Edmonton picks at 19th overall and i can easily see Holland taking Sebastian Cossa with that pick. if Yzerman wants Cossa he'll have to attach one of the Mid 2nds to the 22 pick and take Cossa lower then 19th overall.

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3 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

People  didnt want wallstedt at 6 cause they had a pipedream we could just have cossa at 22 . Yea theyll both be gone by 22 . Can easily see cossa before 19 but edm can use a goalie i believe and hes a local guy so he wouldnt go pass 19 . Hawks also need a goalie i believe (unless you truly believe in kevin,ha) sens if they want a true #1 with that deep pool , same with la. 

Lucky us we have 6th

No. People don't want Wallstedt at 6 because drafting goalies that high is a bigger risk, they can easily be acquired thru trades and free agency, and elite goalies are usually not 1st rounders anyway.

Edited June 20, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[Dabura 12,207]

Bernier's save percentage this season: .914%.

Greiss's save percentage this season: .912%.

Good goalies will always be available for cheap.

Maybe Yzerman trades up a few spots for Cossa. But I really can't see him taking a goalie with our first pick, even if he trades down a few spots.

We've been limping along with an inadequate core of skaters and stopgap veteran mercenaries. Yzerman himself has said it's time for the team to start getting younger and taking real steps forward. He's also said the ETA for this rebuild is 3-5 years from now. If we assume 1) we're not going to get lucky in any lotto draws and 2) none of our non-marquee prospects will become true cornerstone guys, then our hopes and dreams are pretty much pinned on Seider, Raymond, 6OA in this draft, a top 10 pick in next year's draft, and maybe a top 10 pick in the 2023 draft (depending on how competitive we are at that point).

Two or three picks. The fate of our rebuild largely hinges on two or three picks.

We need to make those picks count. We need to come away with a very good NHL top-six centerman and a very good NHL top-four defenseman. Three years from now, we need to be able to say, "We have a core of skaters and this core is going to make us a perennial Cup contender."

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

3 hours ago, Dabura said:

Bernier's save percentage this season: .914%.

Greiss's save percentage this season: .912%.

Good goalies will always be available for cheap.

Maybe Yzerman trades up a few spots for Cossa. But I really can't see him taking a goalie with our first pick, even if he trades down a few spots.

We've been limping along with an inadequate core of skaters and stopgap veteran mercenaries. Yzerman himself has said it's time for the team to start getting younger and taking real steps forward. He's also said the ETA for this rebuild is 3-5 years from now. If we assume 1) we're not going to get lucky in any lotto draws and 2) none of our non-marquee prospects will become true cornerstone guys, then our hopes and dreams are pretty much pinned on Seider, Raymond, 6OA in this draft, a top 10 pick in next year's draft, and maybe a top 10 pick in the 2023 draft (depending on how competitive we are at that point).

Two or three picks. The fate of our rebuild largely hinges on two or three picks.

We need to make those picks count. We need to come away with a very good NHL top-six centerman and a very good NHL top-four defenseman. Three years from now, we need to be able to say, "We have a core of skaters and this core is going to make us a perennial Cup contender."

And if we don't have the goaltender we need in the system, we can always find one easier than a 1/2 C or a top pair dman.

If Yzerman had his top 2 centers set, had a few really good wingers, and at least his top pair D ready, I might take a flyer on a goalie in the first round. But he doesn't. 

You have got to use your high picks on guys who are more likely to pan out than goalies, and guys who play positions that are harder to fill than goalies.

[F.Michael 4,590]

7 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

And if we don't have the goaltender we need in the system, we can always find one easier than a 1/2 C or a top pair dman.

If Yzerman had his top 2 centers set, had a few really good wingers, and at least his top pair D ready, I might take a flyer on a goalie in the first round. But he doesn't. 

You have got to use your high picks on guys who are more likely to pan out than goalies, and guys who play positions that are harder to fill than goalies.

I hope Yzerman drafts a goalie with the #6 pick just to spite you.

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by F.Michael

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17 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Mistakes were made (Askarov)

Instead we have Vrana/Mantha, Fabbri, Zadina, Bertuzzi, Berggren, Smith, Erne, Svech, and now also Raymond for some reason....

Don't need Raymond then with these other guys obvi.

 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,015]

28 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Petruzzelli is about to shaft us for the Rangers bro and Yzerman is over here drafting wingers

Actually, Yzerman is mostly drafting D men. Pizzalla would have fun as a 3rd stringer in NY

[marcaractac 3,963]

Petruzzelli is not going UFA. He is finishing school, in which case his rights get retained for one more year. He has already said he intends to sign with Detroit. Yzerman said this himself. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

9 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

WHERE

In one of his post-season interviews. Even the interviewer thought Petruzzelli would hit UFA if he didn't sign by the summer, but Yzerman stated that because he wants to finish school, Wings retain the right for another year. This exception is only for players finishing school though, which is why I guess it isn't well known as most players jump at the chance to go pro asap.  

 

Here is the ruling on it:

1. (i)  If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

tl;dr: Wings will retain his rights until August 15th of next year

Edited June 21, 2021 by marcaractac

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

What does Keith have left to learn at the NCAA level? He's dominated the NCAA for the last two seasons to the point that this season will just be a wasted experience when he should be taking the next step and learning the pro game in GR.

Oh he wants to finish his engineering degree? Does he have no faith in his hockey career? Tell ya what Keith, take that first year GR salary of 80K and set aside 20 so you can finish your degree when your hockey career inevitably fails.

Maybe Chase Pearson - finance major who didn't finish his degree cause he understands financials - can help you budget this.

Petruzzelli is lazy and he sucks

If you work your ass off for 4 years towards something, might as well take that final year to finish it up. At least this shows the kid has his head on straight and has a brain. He'll get the GR call up once the semester ends in spring.

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6 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

His college credits don't disappear. He can finish his degree whenever he needs to. In fact it's probably smarter to do this financially, and for his education.

What's he think is gonna happen? An employer is gonna see his resume and not notice that he did zero engineering work for the last 10 years and now wants to enter the field with a degree he hasn't studied for in a decade? If anything it's smarter to get your money NOW and revisit your degree when your career is reoriented in that direction.

Plus he's in civil engineering. A dead field. If he had a brain and cared about his career he would be in mechanical.

Do you realize how ******* tough it would be to go back and finish an engineering degree years later? 

And civil being a dead field? Incorrect. But it is pretty typical of mechs to think they are superior to everyone. 

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3 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Do you realize how ******* tough it would be to go back and finish an engineering degree years later? 

And civil being a dead field? Incorrect. But it is pretty typical of mechs to think they are superior to everyone. 

LOL Is he a mechanical engineer? 

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1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

An ME degree would indeed be tough to revisit. I don't remember a thing about deformable solids.

Civil is cake. If he wants to stay fresh volunteer for habitat for humanity or something. All it is building houses anyway. Most GED qualified contractors can do this too.

LOL are you a mechanical engineer? 

LOL are you a mechanical engineer? 

LOL are you a mechanical engineer? 

LOL are you a mechanical engineer?