BLASHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Akakabuto 1,863]

40 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Blash tells a lil tidbit about a young Dman he ahd this year who stopped shooting on the PP because other players on the bench bitched about his shot choice or something, and so he stopped shooting altogether. Blash had to step in, cause shooting was one of this players biggest strengths.

Gotta be Dennis Cholowski. Young, Dman, played on the PP, highest shooting percentage among Dman, but also took the least amount of shots among our Dmen per game played.

Most unique player Blash has ever coached: He says Thomas Vanek. Smartest player he's ever coached.

Blash says he's guilty of 2nd guessing himself and overthinking himself sometimes.

Give timestamps, I aint watching all that.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Not sure if you're just trolling, but most of those prospects you listed were never "prized prospects" or "cornerstone pieces".

Glendening and Bernier were not re-signed by SY because he acquired Ned and needed to make room for 2 or 3 forwards on the roster. Staal and Gagner both wanted to come back and so did Ryan. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Most of those players were kept in the minors for most of their tenure within the organization. I don't see how Blashill had anything to do with stifling their progress at the NHL level.

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19 hours ago, number10 said:

>Sheahan, 1st round pick     not a good player
>Mrazek, best goalie prospect since Howard        yes but didn´t work out contract wise
>Ouellet, 2nd round pick       not a good player
>Frk, 2nd round pick            not a good player, one dimensional
>Pulkkinen, best scorer in the AHL   not a good player, one dimensional
>Cholowski, 1st round pick             not a good player
>Svechnikov, 1st round pick           not a good player
>Zadina, 1st round pick                       tbd
>Rasmussen, 1st round pick           tbd
>Veleno, 1st round pick                  tbd
>Lindstrom, 2nd round pick            tbd
>Athanasiou, 30 goal scorer           attitute problem
>Mantha, 1st round pick                good player, got traded

These were all highly valued prospects at one point. They never became big pieces partly because drafting is gambling, but also because Jeff completely blows. That's a staggering number of high drafted partially successful players that completely went to poop for a coach tenured 6 years. Holland isn't that incompetent. And if you think he is, you should be questioning his choice in coach. That coach is Jeff Blashill.

Why would you re-sign Gagner if Glendog was actually going to re-sign? Pretty sure Bernier's rights were only moved once it was clear he was not re-signing.

I don´t really see your point, it´s not Blashill´s fault if the 1st and 2nd round picks don´t pan out. You can´t polish a turt, you can probably make a case he didn´t make them play 110%. The first seven(Mrazek excluded) are all bad players who didn´t pan out somewhere else as well. AA was an idiot and Mantha good but gone. The others are too young to write off.

[marcaractac 3,963]

Holland prospects bad.

Yzerman prospects good.

Not coach fault.

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45 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Holland prospects bad.

Yzerman prospects good.

Not coach fault.

seems a bit like it when you think that the top 4 U21 SHL players are Red Wings prospects, although I´m not sure about the amount of impact of the failure Blashill had. It looks to me that most of them didn´t have the quality to be good NHL players no matter who would have coached them.

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Sheahan was never any good nor had he any sort of talent. I´m not a Blashill fan because I don´t like the way he let´s us play but I´m not sure it´s his fault that the player turned out the way they did. Svechnikov is playing 2nd line minutes and not producing for WPG and he wasn´t producing in GR. If he´s no standout player in the AHL, where he wasn´t coached by Blash, he´s not going to be a good NHL player.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

8 hours ago, number10 said:

This statement is 100% lunacy. It's absolutely Blashill's job to "polish turds", polish gold, mold, mentor, teach, and appropriately use players to get them to play at their very best and realize their full potential. Aka COACHING.

It's also Holland/Yzerman's job to supply him with good talent... but there's also a noticeable trend at this point of good talent coming to Blashill and that talent quitting on him as a coach.

>Mrazek - uber talented in the beginning - then basically quit on Blash
>Athansiou - uber talented in the beginning - then basically quit on Blash
>Mantha - uber talented in the beginning - then basically quit on Blash

>Hronek - uber talented in the beginning - and now we're witnessing the beginning of the same process start that we saw with the last 3

 It's absolutely Jeff's job to manage the attitudes of his players and to keep them motivated and committed. But as of today he's lost the attention of what were 3 quality players, and he's working on burning his 4th. It's not like this happened one time with one guy. It's become a track record.

Which leaves me to wonder... what if Sheahan didn't spend his formidable years with a wannabe like Blash? Maybe he would developed into a 3rd liner instead of a 4th. What if Svechnikov had a good coach that actually tried to use him? Maybe he would have been developing in a top6 a lot sooner than this year with the Jets. What if Ouellet didn't have to deal with the same coach that couldn't even motivate his more talented teammates? Maybe he would have carved out a 3rd pairing place. I digress...

There's almost nothing you can point to and say "look evidence of Blash being a solid pro coach". But there's a laundry list of losing and failed players that he was responsible for. When is enough enough?

 

Ouellet was never going to be an NHL regular even if you dug up Toe Blake to coach him. The talent just wasnt there.

Svechnikov's career was hampered by injuries. I suppose that was Blashill's fault too?

Mrazek was bipolar. And Blashill has little to do with coaching goalies other than choosing his starter. They have their own goalie coach.

AA was always, and continues to be, a one dimensional player. He refused to change his game and No amount of coaching was going to improve it.

Mantha already had a rep for being lazy before he was even drafted. That's why he dropped to Detroit in the draft. And he was already called "very disappointing" by Jim Devellano before he even made the roster. He continued to float even after he was given top line minutes. His career too has been dogged by injuries. Blsshill broke his hand, right?

There's the old saying that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You seem to think its Blashill's fault for not drowning the horse. It's not. It's just as much up to the player to be coached, as it is the coaching staff. Blaming Blashill for injuries, players' unwillingness to be coached, or for lacking the talent to stick in the first place is a cop out.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Does this look like the coach has lost his team?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

12 hours ago, number10 said:

Na, Svech has been on the Jets top line the past few games. Was again last night. Now has 4 pts in his last 8 games and is +3.

The fact that he even made another NHL squad is a terrible look for us, let alone that he's already been promoted to their top6 and 1st line. And it should go without mention that the Jets have a much more competitive roster than we do...

You can claim injuries derailed his career, but when he was back and healthy Jeff almost never bothered to use him. We had no business making the playoffs and so we had all year to play this kid and let him try to carve out a spot and gain experience. Instead Jeff opted to play Mattias Brome, Frans Nielsen, Darren Helm, Val Filppula, and Sam Gagner. Terrible management and development of a 1st round pick.

But hooray, we got to keep Sam Gagner and sign Carter Rowney this year. If Jeff hadn't benched Svech all season and forced him out, we might not have been able to fit one of those big guns in.

 

Sheahan's top end was always middle 6 center. He's been away from us now for 4 seasons and is still playing 4C. This certainly isn't a "no good" or "talentless" player. Over his first two seasons with us he was on 40 pt paces. Then completely goes to crap... kinda like Mrazek, AA, Mantha... there's a trend.

There's an excuse for every scenario isn't there? "It's not the coaches fault his players don't play to the level we know they can, it's cause player X has undiagnosed bipolar syndrome, trust me"

Blash sure does run into an oddly high number of players who are unwilling to be coached...

Almost like maybe it's the coach that's the problem.

 

Yzerman could have kept Svech, but chose not to. Don't know how that is Blashill's fault.

Mrazek  continues to be erratic after leaving the team.

Mantha is lazy. Was before Blash. Still is after Blash. Let's blame only one of his coaches for that.

Same with AA.

I am not a fan of Blashill. But I also recognize that Blashill is not the boogeyman. Bald Man Bad.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Gotta chime in. Paul Maurice. Look at his "winning resume" for a second. 

Now do Cheveldayoff 

K. 

Now tell me again what Svechnikov in Winnipeg has to do with Blashill. 

Edited November 7, 2021 by The 91 of Ryans

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On 11/5/2021 at 3:00 PM, number10 said:

>AA scores 30 goals, becomes lazy, cast out
>Mantha has a near ppg season, becomes lazy, cast out
>Hronek is our best Dman for years, becomes lazy, benched and prolly gonna be cast out

At what point is this a trend that goes beyond the attitude of just one player? At what point do we hold Blashill accountable for being unable to motivate his corner stone players? Yesterday it was Mantha and AA. Today it's Hronek. Tomorrow it's Zadina. And the day after that it's Seider and Raymond.

>Sheahan
>Mrazek
>Ouellet
>Frk
>Pulkkinen
>Cholowski
>Svechnikov
>Zadina
>Rasmussen
>Veleno
>Lindstrom

How many more prized prospects are going to fail to live up to expectations because of Blashill's inept tutelage? The guy has been here for 6, going on 7 seasons, and he's had 12+ players completely flame out on him in that time. At what point does this become an alarming trend with him? Hey look! It's Evgeny Svechnikov playing on Winnipeg's 1st line! Wave to our old friend Svech as the Jets pass us by on their way to the playoffs...

>Glendening
>Bernier

Two core veteran players we all thought were aces in the hole to re-sign. They bolt on us, like rats from a sinking boat, as Blash goes down with his ship taking everyone else with him.

Blash is one of the longest tenured coaches in the league, and has presided over one of the darkest eras of Red Wings hockey in decades. His good players quit on him. He's ruining on average about two prospects a season. And he can't even keep his tried and true vets onboard at this point. It took Yzerman adding Raymond and Seider to even start to move the needle.

He couldn't convince Bertuzzi to vax for this team. He couldn't even convince Howard to stop eating hoagies.

He's a cheap imitation of Babcok who's proven not only that he can't squeeze all the juice out of his players, but that he can barely squeeze drops out of many of them.

Maybe Jeff's wife will finally see that he's not fit to be coach of this team and make the call. Yzerman is a total coward if he doesn't do what needs to be done this season.

I can't stand Blash, but a lot of this is silly.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

the creme rises to the top

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2 hours ago, number10 said:

>Coach benches player for 63% of the season
Gee I wonder why Yzerman didn't re-sign him 

Gee I wonder why he benched him.

Svech had injuries that interrupted his development badly and he never got on track again. He´s nothing special, didn´t perform. It´s unfortunated to "waste" a first round pick that way but he didn´t show that he´s worth it. 3 points on WPG´s first line is nothing special, Abdelkader could do that as well.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

3 hours ago, number10 said:

The fact that Svech made a more competitive roster than ours this year indicates a clear mistake on the Wings part.

That Abdelkader guy played with Zetterberg and Datsyuk. He musta been real good.

3 hours ago, number10 said:

God, he had to have Devellano come out and speak publicly about Mantha for him cause he's so inept and motivating his own stars.

Now I know you're trolling.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

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2 hours ago, number10 said:

Kinda hard to "get on track again" and "perform" when your coach doesn't play you.

Blash literally played Mattias Brome over Svechnikov. Think about that beyond 2 seconds.

He didn´t perform in GR the way he should have if he wants to be on an NHL roster. With 48 points, -14  in 108 games over the last two seasons it´s hard to make a case for yourself. Svech and probably Givani Smith as well are highly touted prospects who didn´t turn out. The Brome situation was bad for Svech as well because they hoped he would pan out but in the end only blocked a roster spot.

 

3 hours ago, number10 said:

The fact that Svech made a more competitive roster than ours this year indicates a clear mistake on the Wings part.

WPG has quite a few injuries and a thin prospect pool. They are taking a gamble, like we did with Perlini, and think we made a mistake but wait another ten games or so and I bet they start overthinking the situation. I was hopeful for Svech but never really convinced. I wish him all the best because here he wouldn´t have found a happy place with all the young talent coming in.

 

3 hours ago, number10 said:

Blash is building a reputation for mismanagement of players. And it's not gonna stop at this year. God, he had to have Devellano come out and speak publicly about Mantha for him cause he's so inept and motivating his own stars.

Is he? The Wings look highly motivated to me. Mantha, with all the talent he´s got, is not a player who is able to push himself on a nightly basis, but that is not Blash´s fault it´s Mantha´s.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

Time will tell.  Yzerman is giving Blashill guys he cant bench now.  Veleno is the only guy in limbo as of now, and I would bet he will be a full time nhler by start of next year.

Raymond

Larkin

Bertuzzi

Zadina

Vrana

Veleno

Rasmussen

Fabbri

Namestnikov

Berggren

Soderblom

 

Seider

Eddog

Hronek

McIsaac

Lindstrom

 

Ned

Cossa

 

Thats a pretty sweet core.  2 or 3 pieces away from a playoff team with a chance, imo.

 

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1 minute ago, number10 said:

What great achievements did Givani Smith accomplish in GR? How about Chris Ehn? Yet these guys consistently get chances to play, while Blash refused to even try Svech on the 4th line the entire first half of the season. 

Smith and Ehn were only thought of as 4th liners, Svech was supposed to push for a top six role which he didn´t do. His whole pro career went somehow how wrong for him so far. After his great first season in GR he gets injured misses the start of the season and got derailed a bit. From then on it all went a bit downhill for him. How much of that comes into play and how much Blash´s part is is something we might never find out.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

18 minutes ago, number10 said:

What're you suggesting? Abdelkader should not have been in the NHL in 2015? If anything this helps my argument about how inept Blash is by putting him there.

So Blashill gets 40 points out of a guy who can no longer get a job in the NHL. And you call that bad coaching? Lol. Aren't you the one complaining that he can't get the best out of his players?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, number10 said:

That didn't stop Blash from using him in the bottom 6 when he finally did play him...

Svech got the least amount of ice time among all regular forwards. Even most callups played more than he did. Only one call up played less: Givani Smith. Taro Hirose and Joe Veleno both came up from GR and immediately played more than Svech.

The few chances he was given were hardly even chances at all. I doubt he was even willing to re-sign here.

Now he's being given 16 minutes a night on a deeper roster in Winnipeg. About the same as Fabbri, Suter, Zadina, and Raymond are getting.

The kid never had a chance here, and that's Blashill's fault.

I'm not the one who suggested it was a problem playing Abby in the top6 in 2015

Blashill gets so much out of Abby and DeKeyser that they get long term contracts as a top 6 F and top 4 D. Abby gets bought out and can't get a job in the NHL. DD is in his way out the door after this season.

9: Blashill is a horrible coach for putting Abby on the top line and giving DD top pair assignments.

Svech has trouble getting playing time and ends up being let go as a free agent. Finds a job in Winnipeg and puts up weak numbers despite getting the minutes and linemates to succeed.

9: Blashill is an awful coach for not getting a top 6 F out of Svech and giving him more minutes.

Um. Ok. Seems legit.

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Blashill gets so much out of Abby and DeKeyser that they get long term contracts as a top 6 F and top 4 D. Abby gets bought out and can't get a job in the NHL. DD is in his way out the door after this season.

9: Blashill is a horrible coach for putting Abby on the top line and giving DD top pair assignments.

Svech has trouble getting playing time and ends up being let go as a free agent. Finds a job in Winnipeg and puts up weak numbers despite getting the minutes and linemates to succeed.

9: Blashill is an awful coach for not getting a top 6 F out of Svech and giving him more minutes.

Um. Ok. Seems legit.

 

All youre doing here is proving 2 wrongs (Holland + Blashill) dont make a right.

[mackel 768]

3 hours ago, number10 said:

Jeezum crow... you need to dive into those memory banks old man

Both Abdelkader and Dekeyser had their best seasons under Babcock, not Blashill. Babcock awarded Abby top6 minutes and Dekeyser top pair minutes. Blashill just continued on trying to mimic what Babcock had already done. As both players declined Blash insisted on continuing to thrust them into those roles.

Not only did Jeff not get the most of Abby and DK, he failed to adjust when their product slipped.

Again, you suggested Abby on the top line was a problem, not me. I've literally not made this statement.

Winnipegs top line:

Kyle Connor - Pierre Luc Dubois - Evgeny Svechnikov

Svech has been there for 4 games.
Those 4 games:

Connor: 3 pts (1pt from the PP)
PLD: 2 pts (1 pt from the PP)
Svech: 1 pt (doesn't play the PP)

So he's scoring the same as PLD in that time when they are together. Only 1 pt less than Kyle Connor.

I'm sure he'll get shifted around their top9 over the year. But again, the fact that he's even with another squad, let alone a better roster and contributing top6 minutes is a bad look for Blash. I don't know how better to explain that to you. Blash consistently played guys who immediately exited the league for the DEL and NLA over him.

I don't have enough faith in Blash to turn Svech into a top6 player. I have more confidence that Maurice can do that. It's the fact that Blash barely even attempted to do so. We weren't winning dick last year and had all the time in the world to experiment with a waiver eligible former 1st rounder. Instead he consistently played scrubs over him, and then callups over him.

Kid never got a chance, and he likely wanted to move on from Detroit more than Blash and Yzerman wanted to see him go.

I wish Svech had been given the same opportunity and "benefit of the doubt" that Zadina seems to get.

Poor Svech didn't even have many/any slappies on LGW.  Poor guy got the shaft.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, mackel said:

I wish Svech had been given the same opportunity and "benefit of the doubt" that Zadina seems to get.

Poor Svech didn't even have many/any slappies on LGW.  Poor guy got the shaft.

Is he a bust too? 

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

Maybe it was a needed change of scenery to make him get his 'mojo/drive" back. How many times you are dating someone and it becomes a slog neither of you willing to drop it. Finally when you do breakup both parties feel FREE!! 

Wings and Svech dated for a long time and both needed to break up. Finally Stevie said it's not you it's me and now Svech is showing off his new girl....Granted we spent a lot of money on dates and gifts but oh well....

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

9 hours ago, number10 said:

Jeezum crow... you need to dive into those memory banks old man

Both Abdelkader and Dekeyser had their best seasons under Babcock, not Blashill. Babcock awarded Abby top6 minutes and Dekeyser top pair minutes. Blashill just continued on trying to mimic what Babcock had already done. As both players declined Blash insisted on continuing to thrust them into those roles.

Not only did Jeff not get the most of Abby and DK, he failed to adjust when their product slipped.

Again, you suggested Abby on the top line was a problem, not me. I've literally not made this statement.

Winnipegs top line:

Kyle Connor - Pierre Luc Dubois - Evgeny Svechnikov

Svech has been there for 4 games.
Those 4 games:

Connor: 3 pts (1pt from the PP)
PLD: 2 pts (1 pt from the PP)
Svech: 1 pt (doesn't play the PP)

So he's scoring the same as PLD in that time when they are together. Only 1 pt less than Kyle Connor.

I'm sure he'll get shifted around their top9 over the year. But again, the fact that he's even with another squad, let alone a better roster and contributing top6 minutes is a bad look for Blash. I don't know how better to explain that to you. Blash consistently played guys who immediately exited the league for the DEL and NLA over him.

I don't have enough faith in Blash to turn Svech into a top6 player. I have more confidence that Maurice can do that. It's the fact that Blash barely even attempted to do so. We weren't winning dick last year and had all the time in the world to experiment with a waiver eligible former 1st rounder. Instead he consistently played scrubs over him, and then callups over him.

Kid never got a chance, and he likely wanted to move on from Detroit more than Blash and Yzerman wanted to see him go.

Nope. Blashill was named head coach on June 9, 2015. Abby signed his 7 year albatross of a contract on November 12, 2015. But I will give you that one because it was only a month into Blashill's first season as HC. Also, Abby continued to put up similar numbers for the first 3 years he played under Blashill as he did under Babcock. So there's that. 

DeKeyser signed his 6 year, $30 million contract after playing a full season under Blashill. So he definitely did not ruin DD.

If it makes you feel any better, I agree that Svech should have gotten more of a chance. I wanted SY to bring him back this season figuring he would be a regular with so many UFAs leaving. Yzerman thought otherwise.

What I can tell you is that SY must not have seen in Svech what you seem to (and I trust his assessment over yours, no offense). And if Blashill was literally the prospect killer you seem to think he is, then why in the world would SY re-sign him to coach a rebuilding team? You think Steve is really that dumb?

Edited November 10, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie