diehardredwingsfan58 123 Report post Posted February 22 Let's Go Red Wings, We're basically facing a rookie goalie that's not very good. no reason to lose this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 22 11 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Gretzky played across multiple eras with multiple "supporting casts". In 1990-91 he scored 163 points (ten better than McDavid's best) at age 30. The next best player on the team was Luc Robitaille, a one-way winger who's career numbers (even at that age) were comparably worse than Draisaitl's. During these two seasons (McDavid's best and Gretzy's best with LA), goals per game were higher in 90-91 but so where save percentages. So if we exclude ALL of Gretzky's best seasons he was still better, for a worse team, in a comparable era at age 30 than McDavid has been in the very best of his prime years. McDavid would have 600 pts and a selke every year on any of those teams. Grets was right place right time. McDavid actually has to work for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,526 Report post Posted February 22 Just now, Troy McClure said: McDavid would have 600 pts and a selke every year on any of those teams. Grets was right place right time. McDavid actually has to work for it. Cuz he fast. I get it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Cuz he fast. I get it now. Grets really isnt that fast or good at defense. Hed get thrashed by McDavid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 175 Report post Posted February 22 I can't help but laugh at this Gretzky vs McDavid confusion. Wayne's desire to win gets not only a 92 goal season, but his playmaking was stupidly awesome. His wingers just needed to stand near the net. He's probably the best penalty killing scorer ever. The fact that Gretzky scored more points 4-on-5 than 4-on-4 is stunning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 51 minutes ago, town123 said: I can't help but laugh at this Gretzky vs McDavid confusion. Wayne's desire to win gets not only a 92 goal season, but his playmaking was stupidly awesome. His wingers just needed to stand near the net. He's probably the best penalty killing scorer ever. The fact that Gretzky scored more points 4-on-5 than 4-on-4 is stunning. Its really not. 4 on 4 happens way less than regular power plays do. Also pretty easy to score when goalies have regarded equipment and cant butterfly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,526 Report post Posted February 23 57 minutes ago, town123 said: I can't help but laugh at this Gretzky vs McDavid confusion. Wayne's desire to win gets not only a 92 goal season, but his playmaking was stupidly awesome. His wingers just needed to stand near the net. He's probably the best penalty killing scorer ever. The fact that Gretzky scored more points 4-on-5 than 4-on-4 is stunning. No doubt. Imagine how much more Gretzky would have scored with a composite stick and no two-line passing. 2 Motor City Mullets and town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 Back in 2016, in an interview with The Canadian Press, Grets said McDavid is the best player he's ever seen play the game. Better than Lemieux, Lafluer, himself, Messier, and Crosby. Back in 2021, in an interview with The Edmonton Journal, Grets said Nobody else is close in reference to McDavid being the best. Back in 2022, in an interview with Sportsnet Canada, Grets said He's the best player to play the sport in reference to McDavid. Who would know better than the guy you regards are arguing for? But then again, he was overrated as a player, a coach, and probably as a judge of talent too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 992 Report post Posted February 23 When McJesus has his number retired league wide we can have a discussion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,526 Report post Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, Troy McClure said: Back in 2016, in an interview with The Canadian Press, Grets said McDavid is the best player he's ever seen play the game. Better than Lemieux, Lafluer, himself, Messier, and Crosby. Back in 2021, in an interview with The Edmonton Journal, Grets said Nobody else is close in reference to McDavid being the best. Back in 2022, in an interview with Sportsnet Canada, Grets said He's the best player to play the sport in reference to McDavid. Who would know better than the guy you regards are arguing for? But then again, he was overrated as a player, a coach, and probably as a judge of talent too. He’s also famously humble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, kipwinger said: He’s also famously humble. He wasn't so humble when he got me kicked out of Hy's Steakhouse in Vancouver for calling him a washed up c-unt on my way to the restroom 16 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: When McJesus has his number retired league wide we can have a discussion And yet 66 isn't retired.... When just about everyone recognizes Mario was the better player who just didnt play as many games because he got fricken cancer... Not to mention Mario didn't have to get involved with mafia gambling rings to fix games like Wayne and Janet Gretsky did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 992 Report post Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, Troy McClure said: He wasn't so humble when he got me kicked out of Hy's Steakhouse in Vancouver for calling him a washed up c-unt on my way to the restroom And yet 66 isn't retired.... When just about everyone recognizes Mario was the better player who just didnt play as many games because he got fricken cancer... Not to mention Mario didn't have to get involved with mafia gambling rings to fix games like Wayne and Janet Gretsky did. Some days you simply make me chuckle and I thank you for that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 @Scott R Lucidi you're older than me, maybe you can answer this one. In the 80's were there regards arguing that Howe was still better than Grets because boomer nostalgia or whatever? Cause I think the same thing is happening now with Grets/McD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,526 Report post Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, Troy McClure said: @Scott R Lucidi you're older than me, maybe you can answer this one. In the 80's were there regards arguing that Howe was still better than Grets because boomer nostalgia or whatever? Cause I think the same thing is happening now with Grets/McD Gretzky always said Howe was better than he was. So according to your own arguments Gretzky is now, at best, the fourth best player in league history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 18 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: Some days you simply make me chuckle and I thank you for that This is why everyone quits this board. Can't have a serious discussion because all the weed smokers chuckle everytme facts get spit. 2 AtlantaHotWings and town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 992 Report post Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Gretzky always said Howe was better than he was. So according to your own arguments Gretzky is now, at best, the fourth best player in league history. Howe McJesus Mario Gretzky that the list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 1 minute ago, kipwinger said: Gretzky always said Howe was better than he was. So according to your own arguments Gretzky is now, at best, the fourth best player in league history. Not surprising. Crosby, McDavid, Bure, Lemieux, Datsyuk, and Lindros would all thrash 80s Gretsky. Not Howe though. Howe is possibly even more overrated than Grets, and I'm not trying to be an edgy hater on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 4-3 for 52 seconds, or is 5-4? I forget It's underrated how much Kane helps this team. He's so reliable with the puck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 Good god Mo HAS to score that YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 23 7 hours ago, kipwinger said: For the most part I agree. On a side note, I can't wait to see Matthews goal scoring fall off a cliff yet again when he gets to the playoffs and he's got someone like Matthew Tkachuk running him through the boards every shift. Never ceases to amaze me how superstars like Matthews and McDavid can't find their offense the minute the refs let people check them tightly. I almost want the Leafs to make it out of the 1st round again just so we get to be the ones to kick their asses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 23 CAPS BEAT THE BOLTS IN REGULATION BLUES BEAT THE ISLES IN REGULATION NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU, PITTSBURGH RANGERS THRASHED THE DEVILS IN REGULATION WE EATIN' GOOD TONIGHT BOYS LET'S GOOOOOOOOO Just now, Dabura said: CAPS BEAT THE BOLTS IN REGULATION BLUES BEAT THE ISLES IN REGULATION NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU, PITTSBURGH RANGERS THRASHED THE DEVILS IN REGULATION WE EATIN' GOOD TONIGHT BOYS LET'S GOOOOOOOOO WAIT SORRY THE BLUES-ISLES GAME ISN'T OVERRRRRRRRR 1 1 kipwinger and The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 23 35 minutes ago, Dabura said: CAPS BEAT THE BOLTS IN REGULATION BLUES BEAT THE ISLES IN REGULATION NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU, PITTSBURGH RANGERS THRASHED THE DEVILS IN REGULATION WE EATIN' GOOD TONIGHT BOYS LET'S GOOOOOOOOO WAIT SORRY THE BLUES-ISLES GAME ISN'T OVERRRRRRRRR OK THE BLUES-ISLES GAME IS OVER NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Just now, Dabura said: OK THE BLUES-ISLES GAME IS OVER NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW AND IT WAS A THRASHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG 2 The 91 of Ryans and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Troy McClure said: Good god Mo HAS to score that YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I realize now this isnt the GDT 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 175 Report post Posted February 23 15 hours ago, Troy McClure said: Its really not. 4 on 4 happens way less than regular power plays do. Also pretty easy to score when goalies have regarded equipment and cant butterfly. The offsetting penalty rule changed in 1985, nicknamed the Gretzky Rule. He was so good at 4 on 4 with the extra space that the league had to even things up by having the teams stay at 5 on 5. Where's the McDuff rule? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 346 Report post Posted February 23 26 minutes ago, town123 said: The offsetting penalty rule changed in 1985, nicknamed the Gretzky Rule. He was so good at 4 on 4 with the extra space that the league had to even things up by having the teams stay at 5 on 5. Where's the McDuff rule? 2020-21A player's skate will not have to be in contact with the blue line in order to be considered on-side Implemented bc McDuffs feet were so fast the refs couldnt tell if he was touching or not. What else u got hot shot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
