2024 Draft

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Id like to see the SCAM do what ot takes to get Buium

The cost would be too high to draft a player at a position of stregth imo.

1 hour ago, mackel said:

I agree and that's a problem... we have enough of that type, we need some pure skill guys.  We have the 200ft guys that can allow a skilled guy to flourish. 

I dont disagree that this team needs more skill but its obvious Yzerman prioritizes responsible hard working character players. He doesnt avoid skill its just not at the top of his list. So far it seems to be working. Seiders a work horse that supposedly had very little skill upside in his draft year. The skill is there and hes gonna be a top10 dman through his prime. Raymond while undersized is a dog on pucks rarely loses puck battles the skill is undeniable. Edvinssons a unit but also has a silky smooth stride and hands. Kasper similar to Seider was said to have very little skill upside but showed in the SHL and AHL that the skill is there and should translate to the NHL. Danielsons known for his defensive capabilities but hes no slouch offensively either. ASPs the only example of a pure skill player he selected in the 1st round and that was with his 2nd of 2 picks.

[Motor City Mullets 303]

1 hour ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

The cost would be too high to draft a player at a position of stregth imo.

I dont disagree that this team needs more skill but its obvious Yzerman prioritizes responsible hard working character players. He doesnt avoid skill its just not at the top of his list. So far it seems to be working. Seiders a work horse that supposedly had very little skill upside in his draft year. The skill is there and hes gonna be a top10 dman through his prime. Raymond while undersized is a dog on pucks rarely loses puck battles the skill is undeniable. Edvinssons a unit but also has a silky smooth stride and hands. Kasper similar to Seider was said to have very little skill upside but showed in the SHL and AHL that the skill is there and should translate to the NHL. Danielsons known for his defensive capabilities but hes no slouch offensively either. ASPs the only example of a pure skill player he selected in the 1st round and that was with his 2nd of 2 picks.

Watching FLA/NYR game last night...While not having the overall skill that the NYR possess - FLA has enough, but more impressively is their willingness to play hard nosed borderline dirty hockey...It's like 'FLA Man' went into 'NYR Joe'  apartment, ate his hero sandwich, screwed his girl, and wiped his azz on the curtains on his way back home to the Everglades.

Those are the types I want on my team.

Edited May 23, 2024 by Motor City Mullets

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

36 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Watching FLA/NYR game last night...While not having the overall skill that the NYR possess - FLA has enough, but more impressively is their willingness to play hard nosed borderline dirty hockey...It's like 'FLA Man' went into 'NYR Joe'  apartment, ate his hero sandwich, screwed his girl, and wiped his azz on the curtains on his way back home to the Everglades.

Those are the types I want on my team.

Ya every team would love to have a Matt Tkachuk type but there so rare to come by. MBN could be a Johan Franzen type with a higher motor. Id take that at 15 all day.

The way Yzerman is building this team theyr gonna be a nightmare to play/matchup against.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

The cost would be too high to draft a player at a position of stregth imo.

I dont disagree that this team needs more skill but its obvious Yzerman prioritizes responsible hard working character players. He doesnt avoid skill its just not at the top of his list. So far it seems to be working. Seiders a work horse that supposedly had very little skill upside in his draft year. The skill is there and hes gonna be a top10 dman through his prime. Raymond while undersized is a dog on pucks rarely loses puck battles the skill is undeniable. Edvinssons a unit but also has a silky smooth stride and hands. Kasper similar to Seider was said to have very little skill upside but showed in the SHL and AHL that the skill is there and should translate to the NHL. Danielsons known for his defensive capabilities but hes no slouch offensively either. ASPs the only example of a pure skill player he selected in the 1st round and that was with his 2nd of 2 picks.

you might be right.  We'd need to give up Johansson, Berggren, and our 1st.  I think it would be worth it, but that's a pretty tough gamble to take for the Wings.  Johansson and Berggren are NHL ready now, so it's tough to just scrap their 3-4 years of development in the system.

[town123 231]

10 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

 

I think even if Eiserman is there at 15 - not likely - Yzerman would pass on him. Ironically Eiserman isnt a Yzerman guy. I dont think hes trading up - hes more likely to trade the pick altogether - but if he did I think hed be more likely to be targetting Brandsegg-Nygard then Eiserman. 

I'll take either guy instead of trading the pick.    Prefer Eiserman over Nygard by a bit.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, town123 said:

I'll take either guy instead of trading the pick.    Prefer Eiserman over Nygard by a bit.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Right now, the guy we need most that we can probably get to is Tij Iginla.  Vancouver just proved that zero grit isn't going to get you anywhere in the playoffs no matter how much skill you have.  We need grit.  This guy has it.  And I bet a team between 7 and 10 draft slots would like to get our 15 and next year's first to allow us to move up.  I'd be willing to do that if I was the SCAM.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

 

Yah, we should do what we can to get this kid.  He's going to be a keeper.  

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

9 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Yah, we should do what we can to get this kid.  He's going to be a keeper.  

No way Calgary pass on him if hes there at 9.

[town123 231]

13 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Right now, the guy we need most that we can probably get to is Tij Iginla.  Vancouver just proved that zero grit isn't going to get you anywhere in the playoffs no matter how much skill you have.  We need grit.  This guy has it.  And I bet a team between 7 and 10 draft slots would like to get our 15 and next year's first to allow us to move up.  I'd be willing to do that if I was the SCAM.

I really like Iginla, but he's probably going 6-8 and I don't want to spit up our future 1sts for him when there are some tough fast kids available.   I'm hoping SY lets the draft come to him as there's always a couple of guys that fall.  No Zadina jokes please....lol

[LeftWinger 5,130]

What would you think about packaging the 15th for Zegras?

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

3 hours ago, town123 said:

I really like Iginla, but he's probably going 6-8 and I don't want to spit up our future 1sts for him when there are some tough fast kids available.   I'm hoping SY lets the draft come to him as there's always a couple of guys that fall.  No Zadina jokes please....lol

I really think this will be the last of the SWINDLE years for the SCAM.  Meaning - he could swindle some GM's in that pick 6 thru 10 range with future #1 picks.  There have only been a handful of really good players taken in the pick 21 to 32 range over the last 15 years: Kevin Hayes, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Brock Nelson, Rickard Rakell, David Pasternak, Adrian Kempe, Brock Boeser, Travis Konecny, Tage Thompson, and Jake Oettinger.  The Red Wings are at the point where they're about to enter the 21 to 32 pick range for a good while.  I wouldn't mind seeing the SCAM trade away our 24 first, 25 first, 26 2nd, and roster player (Fabbri) to move up in the draft to get a guy like Iginla or Buium.  We need better odds on the one guy we take, as our prospect pool is deep at this point.  The teams in the pick 6-10 range need more picks to have chances at more guys panning out into NHLers over the next 4-5 years.  It's a win win for both teams.

8 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

What would you think about packaging the 15th for Zegras?

I'm ok with it, but I wouldn't give up too much.  He's not what we need.  He's part of the Matthews34 school of hockey.  He doesn't scare anybody when it's time for the playoffs.  We need Kirk Maltby and Dave Brown type guys that give us the upper hand in the post season.  Not saying we don't need a Brendan Shanahan.  We definitely need one more power forward up front that can mix it up.  But it doesn't seem like there are any in this draft.  So we've got to wait to get our Tage Thompson in a future draft.

[Motor City Mullets 303]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

What would you think about packaging the 15th for Zegras?

The jury still seems to be out on him regarding his locker room attitude, but from what little I've seen the talent is there...Would a change of scenery benefit Zegras?

Not sure if this move would benefit Yzerman, his old pal Verbeek, or both?

That said I don't have any issue if he were acquired considering the 15th overall will likely be a handful of seasons before we see any chance of him being a regular in the NHL.

[Axl Foley 334]

Yzerman is not trading up. If anything, he will trade down.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

6 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

Yzerman is not trading up. If anything, he will trade down.

He's traded up in 3 of the last 4 drafts

[town123 231]

Islanders and Chicago swap 2024 picks.

 

I find it strange to make this kind of deal before the draft considering the Hawks won't know who's available when they pick.   Unless they've done their big draft board and they think only 18 kids worth picking in the 1st round.

 

NYI get 20, 54, 61

Hawks get 18, 50

[Axl Foley 334]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

He's traded up in 3 of the last 4 drafts

And they were stronger drafts. The cost to trade up to get a significant upgrade over 15 would be too high. A player drafted in the late teens or early 20s would not be a significant downgrade from 15.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 hour ago, town123 said:

Islanders and Chicago swap 2024 picks.

 

I find it strange to make this kind of deal before the draft considering the Hawks won't know who's available when they pick.   Unless they've done their big draft board and they think only 18 kids worth picking in the 1st round.

 

NYI get 20, 54, 61

Hawks get 18, 50

Now they trade 18 and 50 for 15 and 111.

[town123 231]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Now they trade 18 and 50 for 15 and 111.

I wouldn't do it.    I'm liking where we're sitting at 15 compared to who might be there at 18. 

 

The mocks are all over the place though compared to previous years.   There are 25 kids that have been listed as top 15 picks which tells me no one has a handle on this years crop.

[Axl Foley 334]

5 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

He's traded up in 3 of the last 4 drafts

Yzerman has only had 5 drafts, 2019-2023. He only traded up in 2 of them: 2021 and 2023. And those were the 2nd of their 1st round picks those years, ASP and Cossa. Yzerman has never traded up for his 1st overall pick. And I dont expect him to do it this year.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

45 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Yzerman has only had 5 drafts, 2019-2023. He only traded up in 2 of them: 2021 and 2023. And those were the 2nd of their 1st round picks those years, ASP and Cossa. Yzerman has never traded up for his 1st overall pick. And I dont expect him to do it this year.

He's known to trade up.  Fingers crossed.

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

14 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

Yzerman is not trading up. If anything, he will trade down.

He'd 100% trade up 1 or 2 spots for Cole Eiserman.

[Jimmybigrigs69 367]

I think we most likely trade up

[TLGTrico 660]

4 weeks from today

[Axl Foley 334]

On 5/23/2024 at 9:41 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

 

Yah, we should do what we can to get this kid.  He's going to be a keeper.  

He looks like Dustin from Stranger Things.

On 5/31/2024 at 2:35 PM, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I think we most likely trade up

I would like to see him trade down and clear out a bad contract.

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

On 5/31/2024 at 4:50 PM, TLGTrico said:

4 weeks from today

Yup getting closer, I feel it.