2024 Offseason Thread

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

39 minutes ago, town123 said:

I think RayRay signs 8yr/60m.  7.5 per

 

Which will look like a great deal right away for the Wings and like a crap deal in 2 years for Lucas.

Exactly.

21 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I could see this.  He was our best forward not named Larkin last season.

Lol

[Axl Foley 334]

I don't see Ray getting 7.5 if its an 8 year. I could see a 50 mil dollar long term deal, but the annual salary goes down the longer the term.

[Axl Foley 334]

14 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Seider will get around $8.5m Ray will get around $7.5m.

I don't think Seider gets Larkin money. 8.5 would technically keep him under that, but I think it will be less if it's an 8 year term.

I underestimated Raymond based on other recent contracts. I still don't think he gets 7.5 on an 8 year deal tho.

7 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Again, Larkin makes 8x8.  This team takes a straight nose dive without Larkin.  Use that as your basis.  Not what hockey clubs that never get any better are doing.

Larkin's contract is 8.7 AAV.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 minute ago, Axl Foley said:

I don't think Seider gets Larkin money. 8.5 would technically keep him under that, but I think it will be less if it's an 8 year term.

I underestimated Raymond based on other recent contracts. I still don't think he gets 7.5 on an 8 year deal tho.

Larkin's contract is 8.7 AAV.

you're right.  My bad.  I gotta stop saying that.  I really did think that though.  I've looked at it on Capfriendly a lot of times, too.  I'm a toolbag.  Sorry.  

Seider at 8 x 8, Raymond at 6.5 x 8.  That sounds about right.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

Theres gonna be some dumdums wrongfully calling for Yzermans head when he hands out team friendly deals to Seider - 8x$8.5m and Ray - 8x$7.5m

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

19 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Theres gonna be some dumdums wrongfully calling for Yzermans head when he hands out team friendly deals to Seider - 8x$8.5m and Ray - 8x$7.5m

I wont.  Im just thinking Edvinsson and Danielson will be worth more to the Wings in 3 years.  I think theyre better hockey players than Seider and Raymond.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

22 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I wont.  Im just thinking Edvinsson and Danielson will be worth more to the Wings in 3 years.  I think theyre better hockey players than Seider and Raymond.

In the unlikely scenario thats a great problem to have in 3 years and then you know what Yzerman does? Pay them what theyr worth just like he will with Seider and Rayray.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

13 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

In the unlikely scenario thats a great problem to have in 3 years and then you know what Yzerman does? Pay them what theyr worth just like he will with Seider and Rayray.

8 and 6.25 respectively.  Yup

[Jimmybigrigs69 366]

On 5/12/2024 at 7:09 PM, mackel said:

You're aggressively obnoxious... and still wrong.

Ah yes, the classic intelligent argument: no counterpoint

Im positive Yzerman will do the things ur suggesting based on this logic, and not the exact opposite. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

17 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Ah yes, the classic intelligent argument: no counterpoint

Im positive Yzerman will do the things ur suggesting based on this logic, and not the exact opposite. 

Intelligent response is back?

[mackel 763]

On 5/14/2024 at 11:31 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

Intelligent response is back?

Apparently, it's "so back".

On 5/14/2024 at 9:02 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

you're right.  My bad.  I gotta stop saying that.  I really did think that though.  I've looked at it on Capfriendly a lot of times, too.  I'm a toolbag.  Sorry.  

Seider at 8 x 8, Raymond at 6.5 x 8.  That sounds about right.

Raymond at 6.5 would be a 3-4 year contract I reckon.  Can't see him taking 8 at that number.

[mackel 763]

On 5/14/2024 at 9:02 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

you're right.  My bad.  I gotta stop saying that.  I really did think that though.  I've looked at it on Capfriendly a lot of times, too.  I'm a toolbag.  Sorry.  

Seider at 8 x 8, Raymond at 6.5 x 8.  That sounds about right.

Raymond at 6.5 would be a 3-4 year contract I reckon.  Can't see him taking 8 at that number.

[LeftWinger 5,129]

5 minutes ago, mackel said:

Raymond at 6.5 would be a 3-4 year contract I reckon.  Can't see him taking 8 at that number.

I hope it's 4, or even just 2. I'd hate to have to negotiate both Raymond and Debrincat the same off season.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

Yes lets walk our best winger straight to free agency. Theres no scenario where Yzerman shouldnt lock up Ray and Seider to max term. $7.5m and $8.5m respectively would be good contracts now and be some of the best contracts league wide in the next year or 2. Stop trying to cheap out on talent especially homegrown talent.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

43 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Yes lets walk our best winger straight to free agency. Theres no scenario where Yzerman shouldnt lock up Ray and Seider to max term. $7.5m and $8.5m respectively would be good contracts now and be some of the best contracts league wide in the next year or 2. Stop trying to cheap out on talent especially homegrown talent.

Seider will get 7.5 x 8.

Raymond will get 6.25 x 8.

That's FMV.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

7 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Seider will get 7.5 x 8.

Raymond will get 6.25 x 8.

That's FMV.

On a scale of 1-10 how mad will you be when they both get a milli more then that?

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

11 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

On a scale of 1-10 how mad will you be when they both get a milli more then that?

1.  I wont be upset if good players get a little more than they should.  The Chiarot contract is hideous though.  That upsets me.  9 on that one 

[Motor City Mullets 303]

10 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

1.  I wont be upset if good players get a little more than they should.  The Chiarot contract is hideous though.  That upsets me.  9 on that one 

Come clean...You're jelly cuz he's a pro playa making coin and better looking than you.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Sad face @Motor City Mullets

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

23 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Seider will get 7.5 x 8.

Raymond will get 6.25 x 8.

That's FMV.

Both signings on 8 year deal aren't living in reality, Matthew Boldy got 7 x $7,000,000 and Lucas Raymond is a country mile better than him. What you're offering both on 8 year deal are 3 year bridge. You need to offer both nearly $2,000,000 more extra on 8 year deals.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said:

Both signings on 8 year deal aren't living in reality, Matthew Boldy got 7 x $7,000,000 and Lucas Raymond is a country mile better than him. What you're offering both on 8 year deal are 3 year bridge. You need to offer both nearly $2,000,000 more extra on 8 year deals.

Too much homerism, here.  Matthew Boldy is not light years behind Raymond.  He has 171 Points in 201 Games Played with a +23.  Raymond has 174 Points in 238 Games Played with a -61.  They both play about 20 minutes a night, and they both play with equally talented line mates.  There's exactly ZERO reason to give Raymond more than 7 million a year, no matter what term he wants.  Yzerman will get him for 6.25 mil x 8 years = 50 Million.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,124]

Not a shocker 

https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-hire-craig-berube-as-coach

[Jimmybigrigs69 366]

On 5/16/2024 at 5:06 AM, mackel said:

Apparently, it's "so back".

Raymond at 6.5 would be a 3-4 year contract I reckon.  Can't see him taking 8 at that number.

No response = I N T E L L I G E N C E

[kipwinger 8,754]

I'd be surprised if either Raymond or Seider sign 8 year deals. Raymond's offense kicked into hyperdrive at the end of the season after being pedestrian the two previous years. Seider's offense suffered from the hardest usage in the league. It's pretty easy to imagine a reality where the next three seasons are miles more productive than the last three and their value skyrockets. So why would they want to be locked in long term at a lower value? I think both these deals fall in the 4-5 year range just in time for their big payday in UFA.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

19 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'd be surprised if either Raymond or Seider sign 8 year deals. Raymond's offense kicked into hyperdrive at the end of the season after being pedestrian the two previous years. Seider's offense suffered from the hardest usage in the league. It's pretty easy to imagine a reality where the next three seasons are miles more productive than the last three and their value skyrockets. So why would they want to be locked in long term at a lower value? I think both these deals fall in the 4-5 year range just in time for their big payday in UFA.

50+ mil hard to turn down.