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Ovechkin Top 5 Goal Scorer all time?

25 May 2015 - 07:10 AM

Wanted to do something different and get away from the Bab madness. Where do you guys/gals think Ovi finishes all time in goals scored? Do you think he will catch Greztky? He is 29 years old, currently has 475 goals in his career (.063 GPG) and he would need to average 40 goals for the next 10 years to get to Gretzky. Even if you take Gretzky out of the equation, is Ovi better then Bobby Hull, Howe, Bossy etc?


He is durable so barring injuries late into his career I think he can finish 2nd place.


Here is a chart of his dominance against his peers since he joined the league.


Top Scorers GP Goals GPG

Alex Ovechkin 758 475 0.63

Jarome Iginla 763 336 0.44

Rick Nash 707 320 0.45

Ilya Kovalchuk 589 309 0.52

Patrick Marleau 769 302 0.39

Sidney Crosby 624 301 0.48

Eric Staal 762 301 0.40

Marian Hossa 702 298 0.42

Thomas Vanek 741 298 0.40

Corey Perry 720 296 0.41

Ovechkin joins elite company

01 February 2015 - 06:32 PM


Alex Ovechkin has reached the point in his career when comparisons and context on a generational level can give way to a much bigger range of time.


The Washington Capitals forward scored his 30th goal the season in the first period Sunday against the St. Louis Blues. It is the 10th time in his 10 seasons that Ovechkin has reached 30 goals.


He became the fifth player in the history of the NHL have accomplished that, joining Mike Bossy, Wayne Gretzky, Jari Kurri and Mike Gartner. It is a feat of ability, consistency, durability and longevity. It is also an accomplishment buttresses the case for Ovechkin in any discussion about the greatest goal-scorers of all time.


To score 30-plus goals 10 straight seasons to start a career, a player must make an instant impact. Jaromir Jagr would be on the list, but he fell just short in his first season, when he scored 27 goals on a loaded Pittsburgh Penguins roster in 1990-91. The only active players to score at least 30 goals in their first NHL seasons are Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Jeff Skinner.


Ovechkin has been incredibly consistent. He led the League in shots on goal in eight of his first nine seasons, and scored on at least 10.6 percent of those shots in eight of nine.


Known as a volume shooter, Ovechkin has had at least 367 shots on goal in seven of his eight full seasons and is trending toward an eighth in nine. Since the start of the 2001-02 season, two other players have surpassed 367 shots in a season: Jagr, who had 368 in 2005-06, and Eric Staal, who had 372 in 2008-09.

"I saw an Ovechkin goal [Wednesday] against Pittsburgh, and it seems to me that every goal or highlight of his I see is him scoring the same goal," Bossy said. "So he's scored a lot of those this year. I don't know how hard that shot was back then, but [Ovechkin's] was a lot harder than my one-timers back then. The equipment has changed; I don't care how big the goalies' equipment is, when you're taking a shot like Ovechkin took [Wednesday], it's going to go in."

Ovechkin has also been incredibly durable, something that derailed Crosby's and Malkin's chances of joining him on this list. He has missed 10 games or fewer in each of his first nine seasons, and four or fewer in all but one.

He has proven his ability to be an elite goal-scorer for a long period of time. Barry Trotz is the fifth Washington coach Ovechkin has scored 30-plus for, and it hasn't mattered when the Capitals changed systems and tried to alter their identity.

A "down" year for Ovechkin was 32 goals and 85 points, or 38 goals, 65 points and 303 shots. There have been a total of 64 times when a player had at least 38 goals, 65 points and 303 shots in the past 20 years; Ovechkin has seven of them, and no one else has more than four.


So where does Ovechkin currently stand in the company of the all-time great goal-scorers? He has a chance to break into the top 50 in goals in NHL history by season's end, though he'd need 22 more to do so.


He is sixth in goals per game at 0.62, and fourth among players who didn't retire before the end of the Great Depression. Bossy, Mario Lemieux and Pavel Bure are ahead of him, with Gretzky, Brett Hull, Bobby Hull and a tie between Steven Stamkos and Tim Kerr rounding out the top 10.


Goal-scorers typically follow a similar aging curve, and the majority of the greatest seasons in NHL history were had by young men. Ovechkin has 82 goals since the start of last season; he was 28 in 2013-14 and is 29 in 2014-15.

Only seven players have scored at least 100 goals in their combined age-28 and age-29 seasons. If Ovechkin gets to 101, that would mean another 50-goal season, and it would be his second with at least 50 since he reached 28 years old. The only players who have more than two after turning 28 are Phil Esposito, Bobby Hull and Marcel Dionne.


"I see goals that are scored now, I used to score all the same type of goals," Bossy said. "I honestly don't think that players look at the 50-goal mark as one of those plateaus anymore. They may look at 40 goals or 35 goals as being their 50-goal season. That's just a result of … a lot of different factors. I don't think management expects players to score 50 goals anymore. There are a few players that I see that would like to score 100 goals, but for the most part, I don't see it. I look at Crosby play, and John [Tavares] and I look at Ovechkin, those players, they want to score every shift they are out on the ice, and it shows."


Getting to 50 would likely mean another milestone for Ovechkin that would further cement his place in hockey history. After adding a second goal Sunday against the Blues, Ovechkin has 31 goals to lead the NHL and the most career multi-goal games in franchise history. Should he finish the season with the most goals, it would be the fifth time he's won the Rocket Richard Trophy in his career.


There hasn't always been a Richard Trophy to award, but there has always been someone who led the League in goals, or tied for the lead. If he wins another, Ovechkin would become the fifth player in NHL history to lead the League in goals outright at least five times.


Gretzky and Gordie Howe did it five times. Bobby Hull and Esposito did it six times, with Hull tying for the League lead on a seventh occasion.


For now, Ovechkin has joined one exclusive club, and he'll work on earning admittance to that other one at the end of the season.

Gretzky is the most prolific goal-scorer of all time, but a case could be made for Bossy or Lemieux as the best. Each was derailed by injury. Kurri is one of the two greatest players in Finland's history, but he did get to play with The Great One. Howe, Richard, Esposito and Bobby Hull are also part of this conversation, and it is fair to say Ovechkin belongs as well.

Ovechkin's final placement among the sport's great goal-scorers will be impacted plenty by what happens during the back half of his NHL career, but the first half has put him in incredibly select company.




What a talent, and I'm glad I got to watch him play in my lifetime. I am 28, and I remember him coming into the league, along with Cindy and watching him dominate for 10 years is incredible. He is absolutely still elite, despite what the critics say. He has totally changed his game this year behind Trotz, and is starting to refine a defensive game.


The craziest thing to me is when he was in his prime, he was the most dominate goal scorer. He has regressed as he's getting older yet he still year after year dominates the league in scoring. Even in the short lockout season, he scored 32 goals in 48 games to get his 30 goals streak to continue. If he wins the Richard this year, he will have 5 putting him only behind Esposito (6) and Hull (7) for leading the league in goals. (I know the Richard was only introduced in 1999).

Tomas Tatar Appreciation Thread

07 December 2014 - 11:15 AM

Tomas Tatar after a slow start has been fantastic. Tatar's stats the past 18 games statline: 18GP 9G 8A 17PTS +6


He seems like a guy that can play with anyone, similar to Sheahan and make the line go. There was a quote from Babs a couple weeks ago about how hard he is on Tatar because he knows he can be a great player. I think playing with Datsyuk is a huge thing for him, he can play his style and not have to worry about huge defensive responsibility because Datsyuk is on his line. To me it seems like Pavs loves playing with him, and has rejuvenated Datsyuk's play.


I think he could be a 30-30 guy one day. So glad he plays for us and we didn't make any mistakes by letting him go.



Wings great Gordie Howe resting after 'serious stroke'

28 October 2014 - 06:05 PM

Detroit — Hockey legend Gordie Howe, 86, suffered a serious stroke Sunday in Texas, has lost some function on one side of his body and has difficulty speaking.


The all-time Red Wings great, whom millions across North America call "Mr. Hockey," is resting at his daughter's home in Lubbock, according to his son, Dr. Murray Howe.


"Basically, sometime in the early morning on Sunday he suffered a pretty bad stroke," said Howe, who heads the department of radiology at Toledo Hospital.


"The right side of his body is very, very weak. He's unable to stand without help. He's able to speak, but very, very difficult to speak.


"He knows who he is. He knows the people around him. But it is very difficult for him to get up and walk around. So he is pretty much confined to his bed right now. So we're just trying to keep him comfortable, and that's our goal."

Howe played 25 seasons with the Red Wings from 1946 to 1971, won four Stanley Cups, six Hart Trophies as most valuable player and six Art Ross Trophies as leading scorer in the NHL.


With Sid Abel and Ted Lindsay, and later Alex Delvecchio and Lindsay, Howe comprised "The Production Line," the most potent offensive scoring unit in the NHL from the late 1940s through the mid-1950s.

Howe is a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, as is his son, Mark.


His late wife, Colleen, who did much to manage her husband and sons' hockey careers, and later ran for Congress in Macomb County, died in 2009.


Howe had suffered through a difficult summer, requiring spinal surgery. But Murray Howe said he had returned to fairly fit shape, walking as much as a mile per day, before the stroke.