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If I played for Edmonton, I'd get hammered too.

Although I don't know any full themes, I highly recommend not using them because they decrease performance greatly. I just use this wallpaper for my lock screen.

It's all good. I decided that it was refreshing. Nobody can, obviously, but you seem to be automatically assuming that he will score 20 goals no matter where he plays... what's the difference between auto-assuming he will and auto-assuming he wont? You are just going the opposite way that most everyone else is going. I'd actually like to see him land in San Jose if anywhere. I feel like he would drop off big time in Washington for some reason. I see him ending the season in obscurity there. San Jose seems like a much better fit for him. Wonder what the odds are that he signs in Chicago for the league minimum.

the age guerin's at with his totals going down annually since his 36 goal campaign in STL in 06-07, without playing on a 1st line with crosby or malkin, he'll get 15 goals tops on some teams 2nd line if he gets 2nd line mins. if on 3rd line, pencil him in for 10 and 35 pts.

You might be one of the most argumentative mods I have ever come across. Not sure if it's refreshing or annoying. First off... numbers from two and three years ago are not numbers from *this point*. They are from a couple years ago. Secondly, it wouldn't be out of the realm to see him accept league minimum. Especially because if he laces them up again, he will not want to play for anybody but a contender. How many contenders have an extra 1+ million laying around?

Lids Ericsson Stuart - Kronwall Raffi - Salei

to me what is most needed is a switch up of pairings. its not so much about who gets the most minutes, but switching pairings up so players can compliment each others skill sets and also so that younger players can play with and learn from the older players.

Lidström - Ericsson Kronwall - Rafalski Salei - Stuart

Guerin's game has hit a brick wall, especially last year. Penguins' fans do not want him back at league minimum... he has utterly destroyed so many golden opportunities created by Malkin and Crosby it is amazing. Though Crosby does have Guerin to partially thank for his Rocket Richard trophy, since Guerin's ineptitude forced Crosby to finish his own opportunities more. I'll go ahead and state Kopecky could have 20 goals with 1st line and PP minutes playing with Crosby and Malkin.

Wrong. The guy was not good last year. His offensive numbers were almost directly based on the skills of his centermen (primarily Crosby). If you watch the guy play consistently (which Pens fans did) you will agree with that assessment.

Because playing with superstar centers doesn't have a factor in how you get those points?

So playing first line minutes with two of the best centers in the league doesn't inflate his stats at all? You're acting as if the ice time (or the line mates he had for the 1.5 in Pittsburgh)he has received in the last few seasons had no effect on his point production. Sorry, but as much as it hurts to admit, I have to side with EZ. What Mac was saying in his 2nd post was ridiculous and had no relevance.There is no proof that he would put up those points regardless of what team he is on. Anything to the contrary is a blatant lie.

Yes, because his level of play when he was in his prime is surly a perfect indication of how a player will perform at age 39. . He played well over 17 minutes night last season, paired with two of the top 5 centers in the NHL and put up decent points, but in no way would he be an improvement over anyone in our top 6. Even last year with the Islanders he managed to put up 36 points in 61 games despite getting heavy powerplay and ice time. Guerin isn't a bad player, and I never said he wasn't good in his prime, but to think he is still an effective top 6 forward in the NHL is pushing it, especially on a team like the Wings. Last season's numbers were a product of heavy ice time and line mates, no matter how good his numbers 10 years ago were.

Who MacWhatnow?

like i said, they dont f*** around with DUI's in arizona. ive seen people from other states get stranded here because of the huge bills and court appearances. no tolerance is what they call it people that live here usually get breathalyzers installed in their cars that wont turn on unless completely sober.

I just wonder if Ladd and Eager are awarded similar salaries through arbitration as was MacArthur,the Thrashers might let them go too?So pencil in Todd White and Dustin Byfuglien.If Ladd and/or Eager leave,Cormier could be a possibility.

he can play until he's 50, as long as it's not here. see ya, ozzie.

i'm aware that, like draper, we're unfortunately stuck with him for one more year. at least we can cut the dead weight after this season. 3mil cap hit for those two, and absolutely nothing to offer the team oh wait, i forgot about "veteran leadership".

But there is proof that he would put up those kind of numbers elsewhere. Look at his stats for the past 5 years. Hes put up those kind of numbers regardless of what team he was on. Islanders, blues, sharks, devils he has put up those numbers. Im not saying that he did get help from the penguins top line or ice time, but he had the same kind of numbers while playing on other teams. Thats all i was saying. And i think that is proof that he could continue to do that.

Yeah, because Hudler who's currently sitting on our 3rd line is known for his skating prowess, defense and forecheck. Guys like Guerin round out rosters all the time and it gives those teams massive advantages over less skilled bottom line grinders. That's a pretty dumb argument given you "won't" let me base it on any other portion of his career. The fact of the matter is Guerin was playing on s***ty Islanders teams before he went to Pittsburgh, which is the sample I've used for his current level of play not including Pittsburgh since you whined about his career numbers. Given those numbers Guerin is still putting the puck in the net and setting up goals at a pace that no league minimum player is. How convenient for you. Because you think its not subjective or debatable it clearly must not be. That's just stupid. Why don't you wait and see where he ends up (as long as he doesn't retire), see what that GM gives him and then watch his production and then we'll talk. Again, how convenient to take away credit when it strengthens your argument and then give to others for the same thing. The big difference is that Guerin has produced regardless of what team he's ever been on. Does it mean I like him, no...but anyone with half a brain can see the guy can produce, especially for a league minimum salary. Nice way of trying to "win" the debate. Just tell someone not to reply to you....that for sure means you're right.

How the hell can you say this? We have absolutely zero way of proving it one way or the other. All we can do is use his stats from a season-and-a-half ago as the most recent sample and go from there. The numbers prove you wrong. Until he signs on with someone else anything else is speculation on your part, but atleast his career numbers and especially the one's leading up to his time with Pittsburgh prove he can still score at a pace better than the league minimum (which BTW, is my one and olny f'ing argument).

Did you just completely ignore what I wrote to make your argument? A perennial scorer with one "bad" season (in which he still put up 46 points) is not enough to say the guy is now garbage and only worth the league minimum. Again, the key word here is "league minimum!"

Never once did I claim that a player should be paid *a new contract* based on their entire career. What I was saying is that Guerin has put up steady numbers his entire career on both good and bad teams. I had to use that argument when EZ stated his numbers were inflated last season because of playing alongside Crosby and Malkin. Probably not completely, but I do think it would bridge the gap. And no, I wasn't trying to save face one bit, nor was I trying to be argumentative. You're correct...there's no difference. Simply put, since we can't auto-assume I was going by his entire career, and even more notably his two most recent seasons before last year while playing on a s***ty NYI team.

Talking about power forwards has to be the most idiotic forum topic NO ONE AGREES and it will always turn into a s***storm