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Right.. If that's the case, we'll take Carle for Hudler. I mean they both have been in the KHL

No I want a guy who can drop the gloves and do something else for a team. Konopka is that guy, wouldnt I be sitting here saying sign Mcgratton or Mcintyre if I just wanted a fighter since those are 2 of the toughest guys in the league? Konopka is the best faceoff man, most active fighter, solid defensively and can throw a hit. Drew Miller has an edge of probably 5 or 6 points a year offensively (barely anything), is solid defensively, is 180 pounds and not physical. Both guys are decent PKers. They seem like players of similar value to a team, it just depends what your team has. Detroit has no big, tough forwards that can wear down other teams defenses really and with Draper going they dont really have a guy you could for sure count on taking a draw late in a game. They also dont have any really willing fighters. All of these things point to Konopka providing things the wings lack. Miller is a good PKer, just like almost every wing forward not named Hudler, and 5 or 6 points doesnt really make up the difference that Konopka would provide other things

Agreed. I guess the hatred for the team that's knocked the Wings out twice is stronger for some people. Since they both can't lose, honestly I'd probably prefer the Sharks win for most of the reasons you mentioned, especially the sense of entitlement and incessant lecturing from Vancouver fans about how great their teams is and how unbiased their perspective is, but barring another meltdown by the Canucks, it ain't happening. Add to that a lot of canadians apparently root for whatever canadian team is left so Canada can win the Cup (???), so it becomes an inferiority complex on top of an inferiority complex, with all the annoying side effects that go with it.

But he was statistically going at a 105 point pace over the course of 11 games in the 2010-11 season. People forget he also did this while on lines with someone other than Datsyuk as well. Whoa! WTF... I forgot who I was for a second. Hudler is lazy and sucks, continue.

Yet he was still the LGWs official whipping boy... Ericsson has the 2nd best +/- stats among DRWs defencemen. 1st best was his defence partner, Rafalski. Ericsson scored more points in his first two season than Jiri Fischer. Ericsson also had better +/- stats than Jiri Fischer's 2nd year in the NHL. Both players are clumsy, both players got knocks for not being physical enough at the start of their respective NHL careers. Fischer was younger and had more upside. Ericsson wasn't a first round pick and isn't expected to be a top 2 defenceman on his team. Defencemen don't even start to peak until their early 30s. Lidstrom wasn't even known as a star until his early-to-mid 30s. What does this mean? That fans (LGWs posters) have unrealistic expectations of players, and don't understand the development process. Bottom line, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Ericsson is a good young defenceman. He is still learning and finding his identity (the same identity that most defensemen don't find until they get into their 30s). The guy is a damn good bottom pairing d-man, and will develop into a rock solid #4. Holland, Babcock and crew haven't been this patient with him because he's a flop. He's a guy that will be pursued by other teams... but according to the latest report (previous page), he said he was never made an offer by Holland, never rejected an offer, and wants to play for the Red Wings because he knows they are a winning team. So the guy seems to have some loyalty and wants to stay here. And I hope he does re-sign. Because who replaces him may be a flop.

Unless your name is Malkin of course then it's not so mandatory.

I agree with earlier comments that the Phoenix situation mostly deals with the new hockey only arena in Glendale. The Thrashers share an arena with the Hawks, they won't be missed, the Coyotes will. What a horrible decision by the Coyotes to not continue to share an arena with the Suns.

huh. Gary actually bought the team with the NHL's money. That IMO is going waaaay to far to try and keep the team in Phoenix. This makes zero sense business wise. The whole thing is fishy. If it's not Bettman's ego, what is going on?

Let me say thank you to the Wings. They did a good job all season long and I'm proud to be a Wings fan! This offseason we need some changes. What do you think? - Lids has to stay for one more season - Mo, Drapes, Osgood, Salei have to go - Keep Joey Mac, he was fine for me - Try to sell Hudler or Filppula, 3 M can be better used (buyout?) - Re-sign Miller, Eaves, Ericcson - We have at least 6.5 M left (if the cap doesn't change)... who would you acquire?

Repost from HF, regarding a 3 conference system: Since a 3 conference idea has been mentioned, I thought I'd fiddle with that: Scenario 1: All O6 in one Northern Conference Great Lakes Division Detroit Chicago Toronto St. Louis Ottawa Northeast Division Montreal Boston New York R New York I New Jersey Southern Conference Atlantic Division Buffalo Columbus Pittsburgh Philadelphia Washington Southeast Division Carolina Dallas Tampa Bay Nashville Florida Western Conference Northwest Division Edmonton Calgary Colorado Minnesota Winnipeg Pacific Division Vancouver San Jose Anaheim Los Angeles Phoenix Still some travel issues, but not near as bad as now. At least I managed to work it out so noone travels more than 1 TZ in their own division and no more than 2x in their own conference (and this only happens in the WC because of Minnesota and Winnipeg). Swapping Vancouver and Colorado is arguable based upon your opinion of distance travel (north-south) vs TZ travel (east-west). In a Pacific scenario, Vancouver could actually do division games where they start at home, play in SJ, then LA, then ANA, then PHX, then PHX again, then ANA, then LA, then SJ, then back at home. This would greatly cut down on travel and arguably result in a lesser travel schedule than being in the Northwest. As a mild alternative for the NC and SC, you could put Buffalo in the GL division, St. Louis in the Southeast division, and Carolina in the Atlantic division. I think that works just as well; it becomes a matter of losing St. Louis vs Chicago/Detroit or Buffalo vs Toronto/Ottawa, but all of those rivalries are small potatoes (or at least, St. Louis and Buffalo are small potatoes, BOG-wise). I'd imagine this would run on either an 84 game schedule where teams play each div rival 6x, conference rival 4x and extra-conference 2x, or 82 game with each div rival 8x, conference rival 6x and extra-conference 1x Here's a map, because we like MS paint drawn maps:

Seriously, what is it with the lines threads?

Kesler is certainly a good player, and is improving each year, but his whining and his attitude seem to be getting worse and worse each season also. What an ass he is.

Just as long as it isn't my cloud I'll be fine.

You'd have to ask him. Force of habit? Like I said earlier, I'm a Kesler fan. I've said several times he should win the Selke this year, and probably should've last year. It's not just blind hate. Though this series has made it harder and harder to continue to like him. But if he's jawing with Clowe like that and doesn't think he could get popped, he's an idiot. Even on hfboards they were pointing out how none of his teammates really checked on him. And how he popped up to congratulate Luongo seconds later. If his jaw is that tender, he probably shouldn't be sticking it in Clowe's face at the end of a game. It's not surprising that Clowe would do that.

Yeah, this is sort of the rub. I thought Mursak showed some promise, especially using his speed with Helm's. I didn't see enough of Emmerton to make a judgement but regardless, it's hard to keep seeing prospects shipped away to other teams because of lack of roster space. At some point, I think the Wings need to keep some room to start working on some of the younger guys even in the playoffs, like they did with Helm and Abdelkader. Especially for any potential top-six skill type players e.g. Tatar. Even if he or others don't develop to that level in the end, they've got to take the shot because Datsyuk, Zetts and Franzen won't be around forever no matter what their contracts say. All that being said, I still really think the roster as a whole needs more grit and toughness. If that means clearing some of our borderline, "depth" pieces, I think the tradeoff is worth it even if it means seeing players I like shipped out. I'd rather have some big, physical grinders to protect our skill kids as they develop.

Subliminal messages? As if shoving him in our faces on nearly every commercial anyway wasn't enough.

Maybe in Bo's situation some doja would take care of things but from a person that has had to deal with RX opiates (diluadid drip, 400mg/day oxy now methadone for chronic pain) from a horrible near death accident I sustained, burning one isnt gonna take care of it. I tried and it doesnt help serious pain. Serious pain as in pain that will bring you to tears if not treated, broken rib pain not broken finger pain. I know how easy it is to have a bottle of oxy and know that the script wont be refilled for a month but youre in horrible pain so you drink a beer to increase the pain killing properties. There is a point where you will simply vomit up everything if you get to much oxy with too much alcoho as long as the oxy has already kicked in. The bad thing is that most chronic pain scripts are for Oxy SR which is slow release. Unlike roxycontin which hits you in minutes (and is used for break through pain) oxycodone sr takes about 20-30 mins to take affect. With that said I could easily see how easy it would be to wash down an extra 40(mg) or 2 of oxy over your prescribed amount with a shot or three or 5 of your favorite booze and in 45 mins you will be passed out and not breathing. I had an issue with that minus alcohol early on when I came home from the hospital and kept taking pills cause it wasnt kicking in and then all of a sudden my GF was slapping me to wake up cause I was turning blue and was rushed to the ER. WARNING PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT I have tried to speak out against oxycontin as a take home drug because of the enormous risk for abuse, serious dependency within a week as well as the risk of death if you dont have a proper tolerance for the drug. It is heroin, you just dont shoot it. From what Ive been told it gives you the same rush, the same high and the same risks to your health. Its sad that its so often prescribed uneccesarily and that other treatments havent been developed. Same goes for Xanax and other drugs that are highly addictive and have a high probabilty of fatality when mixed with even moderate amounts of alcohol which just so happen increase the drugs effects. I pray for Bos family, they are grieving the death of a great guy that died unnecessarily. To any of you out there that here this, please dont take Oxy recreationally and please dont mix it with alcohol, mix it with other meds like Xanax and if you need to take more call your dr at once to explain the issue cause you will be labeled a drug seeker if you empty your scripts early. If you are in more pain than what is prescribed a dr should see you to figure out why what they thought would help didnt. I had 6 extra surgeries because of missed or secondary issues that caused pain and me to need an extrordinary amount of that s***. Also, Methadone is a great pain reliever for chronic pain without getting you all loopy and drugged up. If you are taking it to feel drugged up STOP NOW. You arent taking it for the right reason and you are risking addiction if you arent already. Please heed this advise it could really save your life. Bo you and your family are in my prayers.

This is just ridiculous. Is the Crosby disliking over the top in here sometimes? Without question. However, Carman you should be damned aware by now what you are getting yourself into stroking Crosby's ego often in over-the-top fashion on here in a Red Wings forum. If you want to like Crosby, cool, I have absolutely no problem with that and neither should anybody else in here. But you've been slammed for your over the top stances on him over and over again yet you still do the same thing. Either you don't get it, or you are just trolling or goading people for negative reactions to you on purpose. Either way, it's completely stupid. You should know damned well what you are getting yourself into here by now.

You can have a difference of opinion all you want; no one will stop you or ever say you can't. But at the same time all the posters who are reading your ridiculous comment about Cleary being trash can be of the opinion that your initial opinion is just about the stupidest, most uninformed comment they've ever read. You saying that you watched every game this year as some sort of back up as to why Cleary has 'progressively gotten worse' is a load of crap. Personally, I hope this 'progression' continues because that means he'll continue to bust his ass every shift, fill any role he's asked, and have another career year in goals and points. Wow, talk about putting words into someone's mouth. This is a perfect example of people reacting emotionally to Hudler leaving for the KHL and projeting their anger on to him as opposed to being objective about the situation. Nothing in his comments even suggested your interpretation let alone did he actually say that. You sound like an angry, jealous girlfriend who saw her boyfriend innocently talking to another girl and is throwing a fit. 'Well, if you like her so much why don't you just go date her and have sex with her you ******* cause you're never gettin any of THIS again!' You guys need to get over this crap

Yeah just re-read some stuff. We are stuck agreed for next season. Umm so yeah Emmerton and Mursak will still be nice. This is maybe what we need: Helm, Fip and Abby to start scoring some points. They have huge potential to score more than what they show/done already. Also maybe a roster change isn't in order maybe since our defense was GODAWFUL all season get a new defensive coach. However, Stuart is getting older and I think you can start to see it a bit especially during the regular season where I think sometimes he takes a game or 2 off. I don't know. Get rid of Salei for sure, no Modano back, have Drapes and Ozzie retire and I'm happy. Looking forward more now than ever to the future of this team and some younger guys stepping in. New blood mixed with old blood has always been a postive thing with this organization imo....