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Due to popular demand here on the board...I'm starting one official 'blueadams lines thread,' and I'm going to update it throughout the season (as opposed to starting 50+ different lines threads). Real Lineup: Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Hudler-Zetterberg-Filppula Miller-Helm-Cleary Holmstrom-Abdelkader-Emmerton/Eaves/Mursak Lidstrom-White Kronwall-Stuart Ericsson-Commodore/Kindl Howard Conklin Blueadams' Dream Lineup: Filppula-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Hudler-Zetterberg-Franzen Miller-Helm-Cleary Mursak-Abdelkader-Holmstrom Emmerton *Eaves Lidstrom-White Kronwall-Stuart Smith-Ericsson Kindl Commodore Howard Conklin ...Nothing too drastic. 1) I think Flip is better with Pav, and I think Mule is better with Hank, so I switched those two. 2) Brendan Smith is so much better than Kindl and Commie...come on.

I gave you a +1 for making a singular thread for the season. unfortunately, as per your other line threads, i probably won't look at them.

I disagree. I'm 100% sure that this was the first time he'll be scratched this season.

Really, is changing things up so as to put Pavel and Hank together ever a bad idea?

I don't think that's the issue, Konnan. And what bill? The Wings have been making bank without a primary corporate sponsor for a decade.

Here's my second one. I'll try to find the first one but just so ya know the first one is just the Wings logo nothing special but I'll try to post it. For those of you who think you're to scared or can't handle it. I was born with heart, back, and leg problems. I've had more needles in me than a pin cushion from IV's to Shots, to Drawing Blood. Now there is no way to get used to needles even with everything I've had done and I never thought I'd be able to handle getting one than over a two years ago I met a girl that came to work for the same company that I did she had quite a past and a bunch of really cool tattos and of course I was defiently attracted to her so I figured I'd get a Tattoo. Maybe not the kind of tattoo that she'd be interested in. After all it was my body so I wanted something that represented me so I thought maybe we'd have a little more in common if I got some ink so I got my first Detroit Red Wings Tattoo and of course it never did anything for her. When I made the appoointment for it I was nervous than at the point just minutes before I was in the chair to get it done I had a moment of absolute terror and damn near bailed out, however I had already payed the $70 and I'm a cheap little bastard so I stuck it out and the guy was really cool he printed the logo than put it on my arm and started doing it and before he started he told me he'd just do a little at a time and we could take a break whenever I wanted. I didn't need to take a break and it was a pain that kinda felt good if a pain can really feel good. Now I got this second one in this picture for me becasue I thought it was cool. This one cost $120. I want 3 more Red Wing Themed tattoos two more on like my forearm from my elbow to me wrist with the words DETROIT on my left arm going from elbow to wrist and RED WINGS on my right arm the same way. But becasue I don't have a job right now I can't afford anything. So it's really not that bad at all. For some people it can kinda become and additction like a drug where it does fell pretty good. So for those of you that are a little scared if you really want one start small and you can always go back and get a different one. I'm not sure how to upload photos so hopefully this will do otherwise if you really want to see my ink send me a message and I'll send you my real name and you can facebook me and check out my photos of them. Thanks and Sorry Red Wings Flaming Tattoo.bmp

Here is a picture of mine if you want a close look at the patches:

True. Not too many fans getting in trouble because they crashed their car due to the lifetime supply of shampoo and window cleaner they ended up with in their trunk. Amway>alcohol This post brought to you by Sam Bernstein.

Am i the only person who doesn't give a crap who our sponsor is? We are still the Red Wings. Illitch is still the owner. It's not like we are the Detroit Amways or play at Joe Louis Amway Arena. Amway is footing a huge bill. Without that massive corporate sponsorship, we'll start being less competitive. I know I don't want that, do you? Would you be ok not being able to spend to the max and have the best possible team possible? It's a sponsor. It doesn't change the team and no one outside of Red Wing fanboys give a hoot who our sponsors are. I can't name more than 2 or 3 sponsors of any teams around the league, i assume most can't either.

Actually, there IS something we all can do about it. The professional teams get taxbreaks, and our tax dollars for their buildings. The public universities get our tax dollars. They in turn sign contacts with merchandising companies that produce the shirts, hats, etc. that they count on us to buy. Well, almost, if not all of it is now made outside this country. If we all take a stand, and refrain from purchasing their non-American(and to our friends up North, non-Canadian) made products, they WILL notice. These teams and schools want us to support them, to spend our hard earned money on them. They count on us to support them, and we should demand the same. They make a lot of money from the merchandise sales, but they don't seem to care that it's not made here. I personally will not buy any merchandise, from any sports team, that is not "Made In The U.S.A." I am not advocating a boycott of their games. We are all fans, and should enjoy our teams. Just don't spend your money on anything else.

Maybe Matt can design an LGW shirt with the Amway logo with a red line through it.

I mean, are you serious? You do know that hockey has seen fighting since the birth of its existence, right? It IS the game. Besides, whether there is fighting or not, there will always be 20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play so you don't have to worry. You know that fighting has nothing to do with these players deaths, right? I mean, you know that fighting has existed in hockey for more than 5 years ago and that there haven't been any issues like this before? But then maybe you'll site Proberts premature death. But then i'll just retort with his destructive life style and cocain addiction - so don't bother.

With Holmstrom and Bert likely done at the end of the year, hopefully Kenny will pick up someone along the lines of a David Clarkson or Brad Winchester for the 4th line. I'd nut if McGrattan became a Wing.

Update: added the winged wheel to the background.

Matt Cooke is a boil on the ass of the NHL.

The problem with Homer now and last year as well is he can't skate and isn't that effective 5 on 5. Homer is a warrior no doubt about it but our coaching staff knows our strengths. Cleary isn't as good as Homer on tipping pucks and screening goalies but who is or who has ever been as good as Homer? Dino Ciccarelli comes to mind but that's about it.... It's gonna be hard for Homer to crack the lineup this year. I like the speed we have at the current moment. Although our powerplay is pretty awful right now hopefully things can turn around cause we need our powerplay to produce...Homer can help there but I don't see him seeing much ice time besides that...

I would be very careful about what you say about Homer. Homer has done an excellent job the past few years playing with Pavs and Hank on the top line. HE was part of the big reason they were the best line in hockey the year they won the cup in 2008. Cleary is not as good as screening the goalie, or tippong pucks, and cleary tends to not score on good chances. Don't get me wrong, Cleary is a great player, but I don't think he will do Homer's job as good as Homer did it a couple years ago.

Yea that's definitely the reason. It's not every year these two teams play at the same time in October.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/836560-wade-belaks-death-is-no-reason-to-stop-fighting-in-nhl A pretty good viewpoint on the issue, I thought I'd share. I'm not saying the death's aren't tragic but blaming it on fighting is a bit much.

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Congratulations to Lil' Nik. Of course I still want to believe that he wears the 'A' as the designated Annihilator.

Yes, they should eliminate all corporate sponsorships, because each and every fan will have an issue with one corporation or another, thus making all fans disinterested in supporting the team because they entered into a business agreement in which, you, the fan, don't agree with. Your beloved team then has a hard time making the salary cap floor due to poor ticket sales as well as other merchandise sales, and has no choice, but to sell the team to a well funded, highly corporate sponsored team in Nunavut, where Gary Bettman decides is a great place to move Jim Basille's new team, The Nunavut Red Wings. Or we could just say, oh well, 3 years isn't that long of a time period, and hopefully by then they will have decided that business ties with Amway, weren't the greatest thing after all, and seek out a new more fan approved sponsor. Perhaps Pampers™ is interested. A little off topic, but did you notice that Mr. I's other team, that he broke the bank on this year, advanced to the next round of the playoffs, thereby tying up Redbird 3 and making him have to charter another plane for his other team? Maybe some corporate sponsor money isn't such a bad thing after all.

Without fans, a team wouldn't be able to operate either. I know what you're saying about investment in the literal sense, but as fans we do invest in the team through all the things you listed. Tickets to games, merchandise, and by watching on television, which increases ratings and brings in more ad revenue. Hockey is entertainment, and we're the audience. Which is crucial. I'm definitely disappointed that Illitch would sign a sponsorship deal with Amway, as I think the Red Wings (and Mr. I) are a class act. Amway is not, and definitely takes some shine of the organization for me.

I too immediately thought of Getzlaf and Perry/Ryan, would LOVE to have them on the Wings....speaking of Wings duo's, haven't you heard, Hudler and Datstuk are the greatest together! Hudler even outscores Datsyuk! seriously though, Getzlaf and Perry/Ryan are about the best, they almost always have their way with the Wings...

Have to agree with this one. Getzlaf is a beast, Perry has established himself as a force to be reckoned with (despite still being a complete ******), and throw Bobby Ryan on a line with them, when healthy they are the most dangerous scoring line in the league IMO.