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You try to argue that Kronwall isn't a #1, well what exactly is Suter then? Because he sure as f*** hasn't proven himself as a #1 either yet. But, you like to tell all of us on this site we have no clue about hockey and that because Mr Suter didn't sign in Detroit that we are no longer a premier spot for FA's. Man, people like you make me laugh. What do you have to offer to the table? You can argue with anyone of us, but in the end you'll lose. Because your ridiculous opinions are based on beliefs that your favorite team with no history are better then an original 6 team. I'd argue with you for hours, because I'm passionate about hockey because it's the best damn sport on the face of this earth. And guys like you that don't know what your talking about, but pretend too, to get hockey fans that may be new to the sport or maybe don't know so much just to get a reaction really riles me up. Grow up, you want to have a real argument on here? Believe me, there's a ton of posters who'll school you on what you think you "believe" about hockey. You have to have a passion for a sport to LOVE it. You seem to me, nothing more, then a troll finding a sport where you think you can degrade people by talking down to them because you think you're superior. You are not, find a new website. I'm tired of your spamming bulls***, I'll take a suspension if it means my fellow Wings fans can just discuss hockey without having to hear your crap in every thread on the go lately.

Oh sure, I go every six months. I usually transcend dental medication. If you get this pun, you're old! The person below me likes clever repartee.

Never seen a better punch than this one. Mute your speakers if you hate annoying music though. http://youtu.be/JmlNrb0ihFk

Again, not necessarily a "jab"...but a good one from the Grim Reaper. esteef How about this hook? esteef

Seriously.... that's pre-lockout. It's a different game. Go cry about it.

Bettman playing dirty. http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/bettman_playing_dirty_I72It2kiVeijZpbgII0lnN

"Left of Center" - Suzanne Vega. What an odd spelling.

Sure, and I'm not setting here saying he's a superstar or anything. All I'm saying is that Kindl wasn't nearly as bad last year as everyone made it seem. And I'm expecting better for him in the coming season. He may never be a top two guy, but I think he could easily be a top four with a little more development, and he's certainly better than he's been portrayed here at LGW

Now, if you go to "buy tickets", it tells you that you'll be able to buy 2 alumni game ticket packages for every seat you have for WC/GLI. It's still blank when you click the link for the game. But the description says that we can purchase them before public sale.

Experience compared to which players he would be competing against? Mursak is young and faster if those are Emmerton's best assets. I don't expect Emmerton to put up big numbers playing on the 4th line, but that further elaborates my point really. His offensive ceiling isn't high enough to assume a bigger role and ideally you would like your 4th line to do something other than nothing, which is what the Red Wings got last season. Putting Abdelkader at center, adding Tootoo to the mix, plus having Eaves/Miller as well gives you a useful 4th line that actually provides energy while also having the ability to contribute offensively. Emmerton is solely a skill player, with minimal skill. A surprise would be if Emmerton somehow even makes the team.

Whether we support the NHL or NHLPA, the only fact I know is that the Owners/Gm's are the one's responsible for signing players to BIG, LONG TERM contracts. Players/agents can push the limits but the one who signs the paychecks makes the final decision.

Please don't trade away Flip for JBo ... Flip is just coming onto his own and he's going to be real good for us offensively this coming year. In fact, I don't even like trading Franzen away for JBo ... we need Franzen in beast mode if we get into playoffs. Yes, he drives me nutz during regular season. In fact, I'd stay with what we have, suck if need be, get a good draft pick next year than trade any of the young pieces for Bouwmeister

Talk about overpayment. I dont get why people are so high on Yandle, I suppose his offensive numbers are a big part of it, but I think Smith has the potential to be a much more complete player. Pass.

That's a cheap and good deal? Massive overpayment and now you just created a scenario where an already weak top-six just lost two more players.

Tootoo has more than heart. He's a tough customer, very hard hitter. "Yeah, but if only he were a jawbreaker." Really? Come on, yo.

just look at my sig, it'll be there all season. there's your surprise list. and i think Smith takes the Calder. Nyquist runner up followed by draft lottery Yakupov. Emmerton will be in a package deal for Bouwmeester and hopefully Cleary scores 20....for the Flames.

None. I like Tootoo, but the Wings could use a jaw breaker. Tootoo just has heart.

I love the Tootoo signing. He'll crash, he'll bang, he's pester, he'll piss off. He'll stand up for his team mates. He'll fight. How many other guys like that do we have?

It's a shame that Holland is so careful making deals... if he ahd Holmgrem's balls maybe he'd also have Holmgrem's Stanley Cup rings

I dont mind the look of our Forwards at all...I have a lot of faith in Nyquist and Brunner. Franzen - Datsyuk - Brunner Filppula- Zetterberg - Nyquist Bertuzzi - Helm - Samuelsson Cleary - Abdelkader - Tootoo 13th/14th/15th -Mursak/Emmerton/Miller (someone needs to be traded) Eaves - LTIR I really like that lineup.

I'd be pissed if Holland signed such a contract for a goalie. Quick proved to be good last season, but I doubt he sustains that level of play. With this new contract he'll probably get fat and lazy.