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That would definitely be an overpayment, and there's no way that Vancouver is asking for that. As usual St. James is exposing herself as clueless.

I've heard a year ago how Tatar gets pushed easily,Jurco's one way player and Sheahan would be the 4th liner at best.

I'm not going to preach to the choir, but yes, Ryan Kesler is a super good hockey player. You're correct that he's being underrated here. Is "Pascal Depres" a frankenstein monster made up of Pascal Dupuis and Simon Despres?

If anything I think Kesler is getting underrated in this thread. He dives and is kind of an idiot at times, but the guy has put up two 70+ points seasons, scored over 40 goals before, and is a responsible forward who's tough to play against. I don't expect that he'd put up 70 points on the Wings or pot 40 goals again, but he could be good for 20+ goals and 50+ points. How many players on Detroit currently could do that while playing Selke worthy defense? My biggest concerns with Kesler would be the d-bag factor and his health. I'd hope that in Detroit he'd knock off most of the diving. Though I hear that's already reduced under Tortorella. All in all though it's theoretical. I think it's extremely unlikely he's coming to the Wings.

Their top 6 would be tremendous but guess what if they are running into teams like the Blues, Kings, Bruins or any team with a strong defensive concept things won't end well for Pittsburgh again. It has been proven time and time again defense wins championships. Giving away their best offensive and defensive prospects + a first for a guy who will be an UFA after this year and for sure asking for a raise? If I'm Shero I'd rather look at at the Schenn brothers to bolster the D and O. For his size Kesler is also a big diver and a somewhat primadonna. Just listened to the Insiders and wow Gillis is insane if he doesn't come down on his asking price. Maybe he wants a second Luongo situation..

I'd take him. If you're gonna miss the playoffs, you may as well have fun doing it.

It seems every year we have a new young player who looks good in limited action and is deemed "untouchable" by fans. Then the next year comes, he plays more minutes and gets exposed a bit more or injured and doesn't explode into the "future" player he was predicted as and everyone moves onto the next flavour of the week. It has recently happened with Helm, then Smith, then Nyquist, then Tatar, and now Jurco and Sheahan and I'm sure it will continue on with Pulkkinen, Jankrok and Mantha. It's like clockwork every year... Bottom-line everyone's available for the right price and maybe we all(myself included) have a bad habit of over-valuing our young guys.

A lot of other teams would easily offer more than that for him in a trade. And we'd have to re-sign him for at least $6-7 million per. While Subban's an extremely talented player, there are too many question marks about his attitude and defensive zone coverage.

I heard last night that Kessel only had one nut and didn't start a thread about it.

Detroit Red Wings Trade Rumors: Dustin Byfuglien [WIIM] I've said it before and I'll say it again: we should be in on Byfuglien. We need more right-handed players - he's right-handed. We need a top-four offensive defenseman who can be lethal on the PP - that's him. We need a top-six power forward who can park his ass in front of the net - also him. We need to get bigger, tougher, more physical - him. We need a guy who isn't a rental - him again. We need at least one of the Jets' 9,000 players who could potentially do wonders for us - him. There are some concerns about him, but that's the whole reason why he'd be traded - and possibly for a reasonable price - in the first place. We're not getting Duncan Keith or Alex Ovechkin. And, again, standing pat is not a recipe for significant improvement and winning one more Cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. It's praying that some rookies can be the difference between a second-round exit and the Stanley Cup, all while our core gets older every day. On that note: I'm very happy that we're in on Erhoff. Kesler's price is about what I'd expected. That's Helm/Sheahan, Sproul/Ouellet, and a 1st. If any one of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss were healthy, I'd say it's absolutely, positively not happening. But, fact is, we could really use a top-six center. (And if we get healthy down the middle, Kesler's able and willing to play RW.)

That's a fair POV I just think at the end of the day trading Helm is beyond unwing like.

Did you say yoots? What is a yoot?

no we need Defense too not another diver and one who will take away our biggest assests

weiss? that's like vancouver adding a piece. no one wants that contract.

Yeah,but recent Buffalo & St.Louis trade is the one of the better Hockey trades in years.It's not impossible,you just need 2 non-greedy and realistic GM's.

GM's have gotten so greedy lately that most trades have become one-sided. I miss trades where both teams come out happy and not with one GM feeling like he stepped on a flaming bag of s***. Too bad the Hockey trade that Holland is looking for has gone the way of the dinosaurs.

I don't think the asking price for Kesler is shocking we are talking about Gillian here. A guy who rather makes his organization and the involved player look bad instead of accepting a fair deal. Kesler is not Toews or Crosby so yeah two top prospects and a first rounder is not gonna happen. Tsn is really hyping this thing up sadly also their last trade deadline f*** you Rogers

step away from the psilocybin mushrooms, friend. you're clearly not in a normal state of mind.

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Scherzer for Kesler straight up

Quincey goes through brutal stretches, but I still wouldn't put him in the same ranks as Lebda. Andersson as our first line center though. Wow injuries have decimated this team.

Tonight we're gonna be without Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Weiss. Against a team that's hot on our heels. At some point, this all-our-key-forwards-are-injured s*** is going to cost us a postseason berth, if it hasn't already. If we can move Helm, Sproul/Ouellet, and a 1st for Kesler, that's worth serious consideration. I'm sorry, but the state of our team is ticking me off, as is the notion that if we just keep waiting for the absolute perfect trade to come along - say, Cleary for Chara - we'll be doing the best we can do. Or if we just keep waiting for the perfect UFA - say, Vanek at $5M over three years. Because it goes without saying that we'd be the only ones in on that, right? Welcome to Motown, Thomas! We need to add a high-end piece! If it can be done without losing one of our untouchables, it should be done! And even some of our untouchables shouldn't be wholly untouchable. Ehrhoff, Kesler, Byfuglien, someone good. Do it. Just do it. (I kinda feel like Dunbar in Catch-22 when he finally snaps. THERE'S NO ONE IN THERE!)

whatever Holland does he better make sure it doesn't ruined the future we do need patches because we could sink but I think the kids will do a good job of topsizing us for now

Looks great compared to a lot of contracts Gilly has signed in recent years.

God please let Shero win it and overpay for him. The Pens are really drying out their future giving away top prospects and firsts like it's a candy bar Who needs defense anyways...Hell yeah to Scott he is a tough customer and will fight everyone not his fault that Nolan is such an idiot who won't let him fight. I am watching the Leafs right now and Columbus is taking runs at Reimer...good job nor having the bash brothers in the lineup...