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Here's what Seider needs...Noah Hanifin on the 2nd pair. I've made up my mind on this. F*ck Chychrun. Why do we need Hanifin? Because he's basically exactly like Seider. He plays REALLY tough minutes against top competition for 20+ minutes a night and doesn't get caved. If you have a guy like that on each of your top two pairs then both of them get a break and you've always got someone on the ice that can defend. Walman-Seider Hanifin-Chiarot Maatta-Petry Holl Trade Gostisbehere. Let Seider QB the top powerplay unit and Walman or Petry can QB the 2nd unit.

Yuuuup. It's always been a scam. Constructing models to show that the kinds of players they like are Objective Good and that the kinds of players they don't like are Objectively Bad - and getting enough institutional support from their circle jerk crowd that they can just sit in their ivory cubicles (their work got them jobs and platforms) and point to their numbers whenever the rubes dare to question them. And endlessly stacking their models, one arbitrary value system on top of another, until it gets so silly and useless that people see it for the house of cards it is. Seider takes a sledgehammer to it, as you said. It's hilarious.

Wanna get even more frustrated? The playoff projections are based on this dude's individual player rankings (i.e. the more "good" players you have - according to his model - the greater your likelihood of success). Trouble is, his player ranking model so seriously overvalues offense, and undervalues usage and quality of competition, that it rates Shayne Gostisbehere and Jeff Petry higher than Moritz Seider, and Olli Maatta higher than Lucas Raymond. But we're all dummies for not being smart enough to see how right he is.

I think to land Hanafin you trade: Berggren, Matta, 2nd, and one middling D prospect Bium, MacIsaac, etc Maybe the pick is a 1st with a 3rd coming back from Calgary.

I REALLY don't like the idea of Chychrun. He's just Chiarot 2.0. We need somone that can defend at a high level for 18-20 minutes a night.

Nobody ever trades their top organizational prospects so you'd have to think Edvinsson, ASP, Cossa and Danielson/Kasper would be off the table. I'd imagine you're looking at some combination of Berggren, Johansson/Mazur, 1st, and (maybe) other picks. Edit: To make the cap work there might be cap dumps thrown in but I'm only listing the assets of value going back.

These bloggers have the exact wrong approach. "Midseason report card" is beyond trite. And i dont respect their takes. If i want to read something like that ill go to a real journalist at the athletic or something. What they should be writing is articles like "wings forwards ranked by chadness" or "3 current wings that will turn you gray". I would be posting those on here all day and fiercely debating them.

What Babcock didnt understand was respect. Respect the process, but also respect the game. Cant respect the game if you dont respect the players playing the game. And if you give respect, you get respect. Thats called the economy of respect. But you cant be giving respect without first respecting yourself. Thats called self respect. Bidness of hockey 101

I concure with you both. We are more idea guys. Men of vision. Odds? Points? Leave that to accounting. I want to know your thoughts on Seiders swagger. Will it be enough to attract the Mankos this offseason? Is it true swagger if he refuses to wreck shop? Perhaps he is only leaving shops open until playoffs?

i like that we hsve already started playing playoff hockey. i didnt like yearlong playoff hockey under babcock because i thought our team was good enough not to need that. But this team needs that.

Agreed. There's a new article today by The Athletic's Dom Luszczyszyn predicting the Eastern Conference playoff odds. He's got Detroit at 35%, Toronto at 96%, and Tampa at 87%, and Pittsburgh (!!!!) at 75%. The Penguins are sitting below .500 while we're beating the top teams in the league on a nightly basis, but they're probably gonna make it because...reasons?

Bert update: make a wish kid requests trip to disney land. Gets bag of tylers greasey hair instead.

Fancy stats are pretty bulls***, if we're being honest. One day we decided we were going to accept a set of values pushed by nerds who got pushed into lockers in high school and it's since grown into a masturbatory mystery cult. I've found value in the stats in the past, sure - but at this point I'm way past done with it. That may not be a popular stance, but idc. Moneypuck is a great example of how stupid it's all become. I say that having watched it very closely over the past month. It's a crock.

I'm genuinely not calling you out here, and I'm just using your post as a jumping off point for my comment. So with that said, here goes: I was listening to the Winged Wheel Pod on a road trip today and they kept referencing our playoff odds (as you've done here) and I recalled that just a few short weeks ago our odds were something like 13%. Now we're at >50% with exactly the same team in exactly the same division, conference, and league. My point is, at what point do these types of observations by the sports media cease to have any function? How helpful is a predictive tool that can change so wildly from week to week? This is my big issue with analytical modeling in general. How useful is a model that will tell you "Colorado will make the playoffs again" and not "Vancouver is better than you all think they are"? I'm starting to get the feeling that these folks have jumped the shark a bit.

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Seider and Raymond still aren't fully developed 'man status' yet either. As good as theyve been both still have a lot of room for growth too. As good as this teams been this season thyre gonna look a lot different in 2-3 seasons with Berggren, Kasper, Danielson, Edvinsson, Sandin Pellikka, Cossa all making it among others.

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Prices are pretty high at the moment. 1st for Monahan is absolutely insane. If these are the going rates we should be looking to trade any non-essential parts of the team (i.e. Gostisbehere, Fabbri, Veleno).

And a robbery if he doesnt re-sign.

I'm always nervous with this team lol But nah, I'm not too concerned. Lyon could probably use the rest.

I hear ya. The good news is Larkin is one of our two best players. The bad news is Larkin is one of our two best players.