College Football

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Man..Imagine if Wisconsin were to beat the Trojans??

Trust me, that's all you'll ever be able to do, imagine it.

[betterREDthandead 58]

How exactly is this a soft schedule. 4 teams in the top ten, 5 teams in the top 15. Plus Arkansas would have won the SEC championship.

Sat, Sep 2 (6) USC L 14-50 --

Sat, Sep 9 Utah State W 20-0 --

Sat, Sep 16 at Vanderbilt W 21-19 --

Sat, Sep 23 Alabama W 24-23 --

Sat, Oct 7 at (2) Auburn W 27-10 --

Sat, Oct 14 Southeast Missouri State W 63-7 --

Sat, Oct 21 Mississippi W 38-3 --

Sat, Oct 28 Louisiana-Monroe W 44-10 --

Sat, Nov 4 at South Carolina W 26-20 --

Sat, Nov 11 (13) Tennessee W 31-14 --

Sat, Nov 18 at Mississippi State W 28-14 --

Fri, Nov 24 (9) LSU 2:30 pm --

SEC Championship vs Florida.

The combined record of the Division I-A opponents on there are 61-58. Arkansas has three of the SEC's worst five teams (Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State) in its division and played the other two (Vanderbilt, South Carolina), and even then, they squeaked by most of 'em. They played a I-AA opponent, which is a BIG negative in my book, and they didn't even play a good one - SE Missouri State is 4-7, 2-6, which runs Arkansas' opponents' record to 65-65. They played one quality out-of-conference game and got blown into Texas. Michigan's opponents' records? 81-60, and note the lack of I-AA opposition. Michigan's out-of-conference opponents are 25-20....Arkansas's, 16-26. Arkansas gets absolutely no strength-of-schedule sympathy when compared to Michigan.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Michigan still number 2 in BCS standings with USC .007 behind.

If USC beats Notre Dame that would be enough to put them ahead of Michigan you would think but if Notre Dame wins anything is possible.

[timothy1997 0]

The combined record of the Division I-A opponents on there are 61-58. Arkansas has three of the SEC's worst five teams (Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State) in its division and played the other two (Vanderbilt, South Carolina), and even then, they squeaked by most of 'em. They played a I-AA opponent, which is a BIG negative in my book, and they didn't even play a good one - SE Missouri State is 4-7, 2-6, which runs Arkansas' opponents' record to 65-65. They played one quality out-of-conference game and got blown into Texas. Michigan's opponents' records? 81-60, and note the lack of I-AA opposition. Michigan's out-of-conference opponents are 25-20....Arkansas's, 16-26. Arkansas gets absolutely no strength-of-schedule sympathy when compared to Michigan.

Did you factor in LSU and Florida??

Arkansas is getting a huge push if they can win both those games. That and Arkansas would have won its conference, something Michigan didn't do.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Did you factor in LSU and Florida??

Arkansas is getting a huge push if they can win both those games. That and Arkansas would have won its conference, something Michigan didn't do.

LSU, yes, Florida, no. Even if I did add Florida, Michigan comes off better, and it doesn't affect Arkansas's non-conference schedule, which is soft like butter.

If Arkansas wins both games, they likely will get that push. There's enough of the season left that I don't think Michigan will stay at #2. Too many contenders playing each other, someone's bound to get a push upward.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

If USC wins they will jump, which they should. If ND wins it will be interesting. I think they won't because of the score of the U-M game.

[timothy1997 0]

Latest BCS poll

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Ok...this is something that is either the coincedence of all coincedences, or the lottery is rigged.

The Ohio Lottery Pick 4 numbers last night were....4 2 3 9

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I'm not saying U-M schedule is powerhouse, but if you compare it to ND's it is.

ND schedule- GT (hard game), U-M, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, UCLA, North Carolina, Navy, Army, Air Force, USC.

C'mon MSU, Ind, and Illonois would beat all those teams except GT, U-M, USC, and maybe UCLA

What has USC/ARK done to prove they are better then U-M? Nothing. I've said I'll give it Florida. They play a gruerling schedule, and only lost to Auburn.

To do something crazy like give a rematch to Michigan, there has to be a very strong case made to justify them being better than the other 1 loss teams out there. And at this point, theres not even a case to be made at all. Theyre all pretty much on the same level as far as proving themselves. Michigan won at ND, Fla/Ark are in a conference with stronger depth, and USC won at Arkansas and will also have beaten ND. So where are the outstanding circumstances that would warrant dismissing those teams in favor of granting a rematch?

Yes they have. Not lose to the crappy teams on our schedule. Arkansas's the only one on that list without a poor-quality loss. And even then, our loss is better than their loss.

I wouldnt call Florida losing at Auburn a poor quality loss.

Polls are out, still waiting on computer rankings and new BCS.

Man..Imagine if Wisconsin were to beat the Trojans?? We'd end up with three Big Ten teams in the final top five....

USC would annihilate Wisconsin.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Ok...this is something that is either the coincedence of all coincedences, or the lottery is rigged.

The Ohio Lottery Pick 4 numbers last night were....4 2 3 9

Dang...

To do something crazy like give a rematch to Michigan, there has to be a very strong case made to justify them being better than the other 1 loss teams out there. And at this point, theres not even a case to be made at all. Theyre all pretty much on the same level as far as proving themselves. Michigan won at ND, Fla/Ark are in a conference with stronger depth, and USC won at Arkansas and will also have beaten ND. So where are the outstanding circumstances that would warrant dismissing those teams in favor of granting a rematch?

I wouldnt call Florida losing at Auburn a poor quality loss.

USC would annihilate Wisconsin.

Why isn't there a strong case? Michigan lost to OSU, the No. 1 team by 3 points on one of the hardest fields to play at in the country. They also beat two other top 10 teams in the country.

[Sting 11 0]

I'm not saying U-M schedule is powerhouse, but if you compare it to ND's it is.

ND schedule- GT (hard game), U-M, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, UCLA, North Carolina, Navy, Army, Air Force, USC.

C'mon MSU, Ind, and Illonois would beat all those teams except GT, U-M, USC, and maybe UCLA

AND Purdue. We beat MSU, Indiana, and Illinois this season.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

THis is way ahead of ourselves here, but wouldn't it be weird if U-M won the NC, without a Big Ten title in the same year?

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Some would say it shouldnt be allowed, but if the positions were reversed, I might be inclined to think we should get a chance.

I dont know...Michigan, to me, is the second best team. But they had their chance Saturday and lost. If there's a rematch, what's the point of the first meeting...it would count for nothing. And #1 vs #2 victory in the biggest rivalry in college sports shouldn't count for nothing.

Besides that, we already won this year's Game....I'm satisfied, I dont want to give you guys another shot at it because we never got second chances before. But I would like to see someone get a good shot on Mike Hart....I didnt care for his post game remarks.

Edited November 19, 2006 by Hockeytown Red Wings

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Some would say it shouldnt be allowed, but if the positions were reversed, I might be inclined to think we should get a chance.

I dont know...Michigan, to me, is the second best team. But they had their chance Saturday and lost. If there's a rematch, what's the point of the first meeting...it would count for nothing. And #1 vs #2 victory in the biggest rivalry in college sports shouldn't count for nothing.

Besides that, we already won this year's Game....I'm satisfied, I dont want to give you guys another shot at it because we never got second chances before. But I would like to see someone get a good shot on Mike Hart....I didnt care for his post game remarks.

I understand your point. If we won I would want no buisness playing OSU again, but I think you agree with me here that U-M is the 2nd best team still. Your also right it does kind of tarnish the 1st meeting. Then what happens if U-M wins round two? Do we spilt a NC?

I don't understand why people are mad at Hart's comments. He just said OSU's D wasn't that good, which he does have a point because he couldn't really be stopped. If he would have said OSU's O isn't that good I could see why you're pissed.

[hockeyfanatic 0]

THis is way ahead of ourselves here, but wouldn't it be weird if U-M won the NC, without a Big Ten title in the same year?

Yes, but it would also feel like a pretty empty victory. Could we really call ourselves national champions if it was a 1-1 split? That would mean that OSU was required to beat UM twice to win and be declared national champions, while UM only had to do it once. It wouldn't be fair to OSU, we might as well share the title in that scenario...which will not and should not happen.

I know the comment is made all in fun, but let's wait for the polls in a couple weeks. I'm personally dreading the potential rematch, it could be the final push to institute a playoff. As someone already mentioned, I doubt the regular season matchup between UM and OSU would ever be the same if they were looking ahead to the second season.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Didn't FSU/UF rematch in 1996???

[hockeyfanatic 0]

Didn't FSU/UF rematch in 1996???

I'm pretty sure they were both conference champions and that the BCS wasn't implemented yet. My memory is hazy, though. If that's the case, I'd say it was a bit different. OSU is the Big 10 champion, they already beat us and shouldn't have to again. We'll probably drop to #3 (assuming one of the contenders wins out) and play in the Rose bowl.

[BlakChamber 8]

According to the latest BCS rankings, UM is still #2

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6188772_37_1.pdf

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

About Hart's comments, I just didnt like the whole "if we played this again, we'd win..." and all that. Well too bad, you didnt win and now you're 0-3 against us, so admit you were beaten and move on.

I also didnt understand why Lloyd Carr was so upset about the obvious helmet to helmet penalty.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Eddie George thinks there should be a rematch saying OSU has to play the hand it's dealt. He said if U-M is No. 2 then OSU should have to play them again because those are the rules to the BCS.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

About Hart's comments, I just didnt like the whole "if we played this again, we'd win..." and all that. Well too bad, you didnt win and now you're 0-3 against us, so admit you were beaten and move on.

Ah, he's a really humble guy normally. That was a pretty devastating blow to him; his shot at the title (should be) gone, and it's not every season you go 11-0. I'm sure the frustration level just boiled over, and I wouldn't hold it against him.

I also didnt understand why Lloyd Carr was so upset about the obvious helmet to helmet penalty.

Did he make a comment after the game? Because it's his job to blow his top on every call during the game.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

To do something crazy like give a rematch to Michigan, there has to be a very strong case made to justify them being better than the other 1 loss teams out there. And at this point, theres not even a case to be made at all. Theyre all pretty much on the same level as far as proving themselves. Michigan won at ND, Fla/Ark are in a conference with stronger depth, and USC won at Arkansas and will also have beaten ND. So where are the outstanding circumstances that would warrant dismissing those teams in favor of granting a rematch?

I wouldnt call Florida losing at Auburn a poor quality loss.

USC would annihilate Wisconsin.

USC's loss was to Oregon State, an unranked team. Michigan lost to the #1 team, in what was a close game in the end. If USC beats ND, both teams would have beaten them, and Michigan would have done it on the road. Don't get me wrong, I think USC is a very good team - worthy of their #3 ranking. It's just hard to say they're better than Michigan when you add things up.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with OSU playing USC (if they win out), BUT still have Michigan ranked #2. That would mean the #1, #3 teams play, and the #2, #4 teams play. They would have to come up with an excuse for not allowing two teams to re-match - which they haven't had to deal with yet. It's all a big mess because of the BCS - the pollsters will have to find a way to make USC #2, even if they didn't think it were so - fuc*ed up.

Just think if we were still locked into the pre-BCS bowl system, OSU would be playing USC anyways!

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Ah, he's a really humble guy normally. That was a pretty devastating blow to him; his shot at the title (should be) gone, and it's not every season you go 11-0. I'm sure the frustration level just boiled over, and I wouldn't hold it against him.

Did he make a comment after the game? Because it's his job to blow his top on every call during the game.

Actually I didnt see Lloyd's postgame but my friend who didnt go to the game said that he was upset about that during the postgame conference. Yeah, I'm used to Lloyd losing his mind during games.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

About Hart's comments, I just didnt like the whole "if we played this again, we'd win..." and all that. Well too bad, you didnt win and now you're 0-3 against us, so admit you were beaten and move on.

I also didnt understand why Lloyd Carr was so upset about the obvious helmet to helmet penalty.

His, "we'd win if we played again" was a little over the top, but he did also admit they blew their chance and didn't necessarily deserve a rematch. He also admitted if it was the other way around, HE wouldn't want a rematch, so I think that's fair. I actually thought he was kind of funny, compared to Henne. Smith's interview was nice - quality guy. I think the worst I've seen was Matt Leinhart last year, when he refused to congratulate Vince Young and Texas - what a jerk.

Lloyd was upset during the game, as all coaches are when their team gets a penalty. I think he was fair afterwards, he said twice he had the utmost respect for this officiating crew, and if they made the call it must have been right. He did say later, however, he was unclear about the rule of in pocket/out-of-pocket. As long as he didn;'t whine about the call itself. I'm cool - he should be mad at Crable for that (although I don't think it was intentional).

[timothy1997 0]

USC's loss was to Oregon State, an unranked team. Michigan lost to the #1 team, in what was a close game in the end. If USC beats ND, both teams would have beaten them, and Michigan would have done it on the road. Don't get me wrong, I think USC is a very good team - worthy of their #3 ranking. It's just hard to say they're better than Michigan when you add things up.

Very good point. Only problem I have if that scenario plays out is that USC would have won its conference will Michigan didn't win anything. Plus if Florida or Arkansas end up with 1 loss at the end, how can you deny them after they won a very difficult SEC in favor of a 2nd place conference team.