Shanahan seeking a 2-yr deal at $5M/season

[heals_3000 0]

According to a knowledgeable source, the possibility of free agent winger Brendan Shanahan signing with the Bruins is now dead. Reportedly, St. Louis and Detroit are in the running for the 37-year-old's services. - Boston Herald

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[RedRum #1 0]

Shanahan made less than half last season than he did in the season before the lockout, right? (Yes, I'd agree that his $6 mil or whatever it was wasn't warranted last year at all). I think it's very fair for a player who was your top goal scorer, put in 40 goals, has been in excellent physical shape (the only player on the entire team who has not missed a game in the last two playing seasons) to try to get a raise.

If I agreed to take just over one-third of my regular salary for a year because times were tight, and I performed very well (higher than anyone else in the company) during that salary cut year, I sure as hell would ask for a raise.

Lidstrom is making something like 7.6 million - of course he's a nice guy for making a few hundred thousand less than he could. Shanahan is a greedy jerk for asking for a raise after taking about a 60% paycut the year before? They *both* were on the team that didn't get any farther than the first round.

And as I expect, all of this talk of big money contracts for Shanny with other teams is just BS. Kenny knows that. Other teams claim they're interested and numbers get floated to the media, but it's a ploy to see if Kenny will jump and sign Shanny at a higher rate than necessary, get us to waste money. Kenny didn't jump. He hasn't signed Shanahan yet. I bet he'll sign here for no more than $4 mil - in fact, I'd bet it'll be more like $3 mil.

He also needs to sign someone like Shanahan so he can trade away one or more of the underperforming forwards that are costing us as much or more and returing us less value.

I don't have a problem with Shanahan getting a salary between $3-4 million for one year. He contributed more to the team last season than Datsyuk, Lang, Draper, or Maltby.

I don't have a problem with Shanahan getting a salary between $3-4 million for one year. He contributed more to the team last season than Datsyuk, Lang, Draper, or Maltby.

Datsyuk was on pace for 100 points before he got injured and hands down was every bit as deserving of (along with Zetterberg) being considered the teams best forward during the regular season. To say Shanahan contributed more is insane. Both had poor playoff performances, but an injured Datsyuk still played better than a healthy Shanahan, who did nothing. Paying Shanahan $4mill is ridiculous.

[Barnes52 0]

Shanahan made less than half last season than he did in the season before the lockout, right? (Yes, I'd agree that his $6 mil or whatever it was wasn't warranted last year at all). I think it's very fair for a player who was your top goal scorer, put in 40 goals, has been in excellent physical shape (the only player on the entire team who has not missed a game in the last two playing seasons) to try to get a raise.

If I agreed to take just over one-third of my regular salary for a year because times were tight, and I performed very well (higher than anyone else in the company) during that salary cut year, I sure as hell would ask for a raise.

Lidstrom is making something like 7.6 million - of course he's a nice guy for making a few hundred thousand less than he could. Shanahan is a greedy jerk for asking for a raise after taking about a 60% paycut the year before? They *both* were on the team that didn't get any farther than the first round.

And as I expect, all of this talk of big money contracts for Shanny with other teams is just BS. Kenny knows that. Other teams claim they're interested and numbers get floated to the media, but it's a ploy to see if Kenny will jump and sign Shanny at a higher rate than necessary, get us to waste money. Kenny didn't jump. He hasn't signed Shanahan yet. I bet he'll sign here for no more than $4 mil - in fact, I'd bet it'll be more like $3 mil.

He also needs to sign someone like Shanahan so he can trade away one or more of the underperforming forwards that are costing us as much or more and returing us less value.

I don't have a problem with Shanahan getting a salary between $3-4 million for one year. He contributed more to the team last season than Datsyuk, Lang, Draper, or Maltby.

I'm not going to argue with this, Shanahan can go out and try to get what he thinks he deserves. The issue I have is that he's past his prime, his game has regressed, he's a clone of Brett Hull with his one timers, and won't do the dirty work it takes to score the ugly goals when the games are really on the line. Not to mention his salary will cramp this team for the 2yrs it's on the books, and not allow them to improve in other areas. Maybe that's Holland's fault for not being nimble enough in the new CBA environment, but when Lidstrom comes off winning another Norris Trophy and takes a pay cut for the good of the team so that they can address other weaknesses, Shanahan is the only one on the team getting a raise, I just have an issue with that. Lang, for all his faults, has shown up in the playoffs at least, more than you can say for Shanahan. I think Shanny can help a lot of teams out there, he might even get some of his original game back if he signed with another team, but I feel that both Detroit and Shanahan need to seperate because they've gone as far as they could with each other

Edited July 7, 2006 by Barnes52

[superstarsingh 23]

Shanahan is committing a crime. So is Holland. 4 million on Shanny is flat out stupid. So many better ways that money could be spent.

[Turretin 0]

I'm not going to argue with this, Shanahan can go out and try to get what he thinks he deserves. The issue I have is that he's past his prime, his game has regressed, he's a clone of Brett Hull with his one timers, and won't do the dirty work it takes to score the ugly goals when the games are really on the line. Not to mention his salary will cramp this team for the 2yrs it's on the books, and not allow them to improve in other areas. Maybe that's Holland's fault for not being nimble enough in the new CBA environment, but when Lidstrom comes off winning another Norris Trophy and takes a pay cut for the good of the team so that they can address other weaknesses, Shanahan is the only one on the team getting a raise, I just have an issue with that. Lang, for all his faults, has shown up in the playoffs at least, more than you can say for Shanahan. I think Shanny can help a lot of teams out there, he might even get some of his original game back if he signed with another team, but I feel that both Detroit and Shanahan need to seperate because they've gone as far as they could with each other

Except Shanny isn't nearly as good as Hull was. Do you remember who turned around the CAR-DET series in 02? 7 seconds left, Detroit is down by 1, Hull calls the other 4 on the ice over to him. Brett Hull ties the game. Shanny hasn't put up in the big spots. The last big goal I remember him scoring was that gift from Roy.

[firefly2420 0]

Looks like Shanny is gonna be back in the Red & White!! I think he is worth way more than the $4 million. He has done a lot for the wings and this city. He needs to retire a wing.

[FunkyBlueFish203 0]

Shanahan made less than half last season than he did in the season before the lockout, right? (Yes, I'd agree that his $6 mil or whatever it was wasn't warranted last year at all). I think it's very fair for a player who was your top goal scorer, put in 40 goals, has been in excellent physical shape (the only player on the entire team who has not missed a game in the last two playing seasons) to try to get a raise.

If I agreed to take just over one-third of my regular salary for a year because times were tight, and I performed very well (higher than anyone else in the company) during that salary cut year, I sure as hell would ask for a raise.

Lidstrom is making something like 7.6 million - of course he's a nice guy for making a few hundred thousand less than he could. Shanahan is a greedy jerk for asking for a raise after taking about a 60% paycut the year before? They *both* were on the team that didn't get any farther than the first round.

And as I expect, all of this talk of big money contracts for Shanny with other teams is just BS. Kenny knows that. Other teams claim they're interested and numbers get floated to the media, but it's a ploy to see if Kenny will jump and sign Shanny at a higher rate than necessary, get us to waste money. Kenny didn't jump. He hasn't signed Shanahan yet. I bet he'll sign here for no more than $4 mil - in fact, I'd bet it'll be more like $3 mil.

He also needs to sign someone like Shanahan so he can trade away one or more of the underperforming forwards that are costing us as much or more and returing us less value.

I don't have a problem with Shanahan getting a salary between $3-4 million for one year. He contributed more to the team last season than Datsyuk, Lang, Draper, or Maltby.

Draper and Maltby made less money than Shanahan last year and will continue to make less than him this season. In the regular season, Datsyuk outperformed Shanahan (or at least outscored), where as Lang was played 13 minutes a night, so it is not a fair comparison, but Lang still scored 60-odd points. Each of these guys play a different role, play different minutes and get paid different amounts.

As for the comparisons with Lidstrom, well, at WORST, Nick Lidstrom is a top-3 d-man in this league, at best, he is the best. Shanahan's stats look shiny but he is not a top-25 forward in the NHL.

I have no problems with Shanahan shopping himself around for the biggest paycheck, he is free to sign wherever he wants. His signing, at $4M is bad for the Wings as an organization because (1) Shanahan is 37 and on the decline and (2) his spot and his minutes could be given to a younger UFA or a kid from the organization. Also to be noted 3 consecutive lack luster playoffs. Anything over $2.5M is too much for Shanahan from the Red Wings point of view. Of course his market value is higher, the man just scored 40 goals in the regular season.

Yes, it's business. The owner has every right to review an employee and deny a big raise based on performance. 40 regular season goals, very nice, playoffs, not so nice.

[Matt 1,049]

If I agreed to take just over one-third of my regular salary for a year because times were tight, and I performed very well (higher than anyone else in the company) during that salary cut year, I sure as hell would ask for a raise.

Shanahan didn't "agree" to a pay cut, he picked up the player option on his contract ($2.28M) that was 76% of the original salary. He didn't have a choice, and if he didn't think $2.28M was an appropriate salary... well, no one held a gun to his head telling him to pick up the option. He even waited until the deadline to make that decision.

Let's not forget that when he signed that contract, even still a regular 30-goal scorer, he still felt his 2005-06 season was worth only $3 million in the PRE-CAP era.

...in fact, I'd bet it'll be more like $3 mil.

I agree (hope?) with this. $4M seems woefully excessive, despite scoring 40 goals among 80 points, for a 37-year old player that's obviously not getting any younger and is notorious for having big seasons in a contract year.

$2.75M seems reasonable to me.

[wingnut129 0]

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$4 million dollars? When was the last time Shanahan did something in the playoffs again?

Does Holland have a brain?

When was the last time any Wing did anything in the playoffs? Besides Zetterberg. I believe it was 2002, and since then they have ALL sucked and have not brought anything to the playoffs. You don't think a 40 goal scorer deserves to get paid? Were really going to need him and his goals this season or we won't need to worry about how anyone does in the playoffs... because we won't be there. Especially if Belfour is our starting goalie. Belfour is what you need to be b*tching about, not Shanny. Shanny has been there for us every night since we got him. Sure he goes through streaks where he isn't at his best, but who doesn't??? He's out there scoring goals, fighting for his teammates, and has never been injury prone. What is your problem with paying him what he's worth? If you go by him not doing anything in the playoffs then why is Lidstrom getting almost $8 Million? What did Lidstrom do in the playoffs?

[FunkyBlueFish203 0]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/stories/inde...1530.xml&coll=1

Holland also left a couple of messages on Shanahan's cell phone, telling him the team wants him back.

LOL. Desperation has set in for Ken Holland.

[amberlynn25 9]

do you guys think that Kenny is just scared to lose Shanny? so thats why he offered him a ridiculous amount?

[wingsfan27 1]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/stories/inde...1530.xml&coll=1

Holland also left a couple of messages on Shanahan's cell phone, telling him the team wants him back.

LOL. Desperation has set in for Ken Holland.

ken holland is on crack offering him a 2 year deal , were gonna need the money after next season to resign datsyuk and holmstrom, im fed up of holland being a wuss and waiting around for shanahan , let him go for christ sake , he obviously wants to go to boston , let him go already

geez for the 4 million hes willing to spend get eric lindros for 1yr 1-1.5 , if hes healthy he can still play , playing with datsyuk he'll easily get 30+goals , and offer anson carter a 1 or 2 yr deal at 2.5 per .........carter datsyuk lindros , maybe it would also help lindros playing at wing so he wouldnt have to cut through center ice all the time and increase his chances of getting knocked out lol

common what sounds better ?? carter datsyuk lindros line ....or ..........shanahan datsyuk and ??

and then sign kenny jonsson for 2 million for 1 yr ...............your telling me he wouldnt wanna play with all those fellow swedes ?? lidstrom zetterberg holmstrom franzen ...........he would sign in a heart beat ........KENNY WAKE THE F*CK UP

[Guest micah]

Reportedly, St. Louis and Detroit are in the running for the 37-year-old's services.

I thought the fans in St Louis all hated him for stealing his teammate Craig Janey's wife? I don't think he'd be nearly as well recieved there this time arround.

[jredwings 0]

All this interest from other teams is a smokescreen put out by his agent that has floated through the media. Boston isn't going to sign him for 4 million a year or even more than that because they've already made their big splash in free agency. I doubt they want to pour 4+ million into a 37 year old "power forward" that hasn't done s*** the past few playoff seasons. Did I mention his numerous injuries he's had? St. Louis I highly doubt because they've already signed Bill Guerin and dumped 16 million over 4 years into Jay McKee's lap. I understand these teams may have cap room left but I think the only things that have generated these rumors is Shanahan having an off-season home in Boston, and Dave Lewis is now the coach in Boston, and St. Louis simply because Shanahan was so popular there before. I doubt any of these teams are seriously considering Shanahan at 4 million plus a year. Now if Shanahan snubs the Wings and signs with either of those teams at 2.5 mill or close to 3, then fine, he can have it, but I doubt that's the kind of guy Shanahan is. Ingenious ploy by Shanahan and his agent, Holland's even more of a fool if he signs Shanahan for more than 3 million a year.

[Yzermania19 1]

common what sounds better ?? carter datsyuk lindros line ....or ..........shanahan datsyuk and ??

LINDROS!?!?!? Now who's on crack?? You would seriously want Lindros on this team over Shanahan?

Wow, pass the good stuff, dude... :hippie: :hat:

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Looks like Shanny is gonna be back in the Red & White!! I think he is worth way more than the $4 million. He has done a lot for the wings and this city. He needs to retire a wing.

Welcome to the boards.

You obviously did not read the 200 posts before yours that basically say, "Shanny is too old to make 4 mil a year. He should take a pay cut if he wants to stay. Holland is a jackass for offering it to him. He doesn't perform in the playoffs!!!"

Just a suggestion, backing up your argument with opinions like "he has done a lot for the Wings and the city" or "he should eretire a Wing" doesn't mean a lot to the posters on the boards around here. Sentiment doesn't win Cups.

[up2here 41]

Finally,someone with a brain.

Edited July 7, 2006 by UP2HERE

[Barnes52 0]

So how much longer is Holland going to wait for Shanahan to ask him to the prom?

[up2here 41]

Heres a link to a story that says the Kings are offering Shanny 4.5/per while the Bruins and Canadiens are offering 4/per.It doesnt says what the WIngs offer is.

http://spectorshockey.tripod.com/default.html

[redwings1914 18]

So how much longer is Holland going to wait for Shanahan to ask him to the prom?

I heard he spent a TON on the dress.

[doublejack 0]

When was the last time any Wing did anything in the playoffs? Besides Zetterberg. I believe it was 2002, and since then they have ALL sucked and have not brought anything to the playoffs. You don't think a 40 goal scorer deserves to get paid? Were really going to need him and his goals this season or we won't need to worry about how anyone does in the playoffs... because we won't be there. Especially if Belfour is our starting goalie. Belfour is what you need to be b*tching about, not Shanny. Shanny has been there for us every night since we got him. Sure he goes through streaks where he isn't at his best, but who doesn't??? He's out there scoring goals, fighting for his teammates, and has never been injury prone. What is your problem with paying him what he's worth? If you go by him not doing anything in the playoffs then why is Lidstrom getting almost $8 Million? What did Lidstrom do in the playoffs?

Lang in 2004. And Schneider in 2006. Both of those guys showed up big. Lebda was great against the Oilers. Maltby and Frazen chipped in more than their fair share of goals.

Shanahan is NOT worth $4 million a season. He hasn't played like a power forward since his back trouble started in the late 90's and he has a history of not showing up in the playoffs. I would love nothing more than for him to sign with LA or Boston for 4-5m a year.

[bringback91 2]

Welcome to the boards.

You obviously did not read the 200 posts before yours that basically say, "Shanny is too old to make 4 mil a year. He should take a pay cut if he wants to stay. Holland is a jackass for offering it to him. He doesn't perform in the playoffs!!!"

Just a suggestion, backing up your argument with opinions like "he has done a lot for the Wings and the city" or "he should eretire a Wing" doesn't mean a lot to the posters on the boards around here. Sentiment doesn't win Cups.

Maybe he's a fan of the Wings win or lose. Some of the "posters on the boards around here" aren't as easily influenced by others opinions. The Wings don't have to win a cup every year to have my support and have them be my favorite team, as they have been since the "dead wings", which if you remember were way darker days then the ones we've had over the past few seasons. I don't know that age should overshadow performance in negotiations. Do I think it's a bit high, and more than I thought? Sure. Although I realize that as not important as the regular season may seem to some posters, you can't just pay players for the playoffs, and you need the regular season to get to the playoffs. Shanny had an AWESOME season followed by a sub par playoffs, much like the other 90% of the team. I think 80+ points and 40 goals along with being the only one on the team with some balls, deserves another chance, along with a raise. The bigger issue to me is what seems to be shaking out in net. There looking like there seriously going to go with an old, crap goalie, who's worse than Manny and Ozzie. THAT is where the problem with this team is going to be, again. No sentiment doesn't win cups. Skill, heart, and the will to win does, and Shanny has all those, along with the leadership needed since losing Stevie. All that being said, I wanted Lids to give the HT discount, which he did, now it's Shanny's turn.

[ShanahanMan 473]

the kid in me wants shanny back, plain and simple. Growing up and watching Yzerman and Shanny dominate the ice, I just need at least 1 of them to still be there next season. Losing my top two favorite players in one season would hurt like hell. Yes, he did not come through for us in the playoffs, but then again.......who did? (besides the insanely great zetterberg). I totally favor seeing him next season with the wings.....where he belongs.

[Yzermania19 1]

Maybe he's a fan of the Wings win or lose. Some of the "posters on the boards around here" aren't as easily influenced by others opinions. The Wings don't have to win a cup every year to have my support and have them be my favorite team, as they have been since the "dead wings", which if you remember were way darker days then the ones we've had over the past few seasons. I don't know that age should overshadow performance in negotiations. Do I think it's a bit high, and more than I thought? Sure. Although I realize that as not important as the regular season may seem to some posters, you can't just pay players for the playoffs, and you need the regular season to get to the playoffs. Shanny had an AWESOME season followed by a sub par playoffs, much like the other 90% of the team. I think 80+ points and 40 goals along with being the only one on the team with some balls, deserves another chance, along with a raise. The bigger issue to me is what seems to be shaking out in net. There looking like there seriously going to go with an old, crap goalie, who's worse than Manny and Ozzie. THAT is where the problem with this team is going to be, again. No sentiment doesn't win cups. Skill, heart, and the will to win does, and Shanny has all those, along with the leadership needed since losing Stevie. All that being said, I wanted Lids to give the HT discount, which he did, now it's Shanny's turn.

AMEN to that!! My desire for the Wings to re-sign Shanny has nothing to do with sentimentality. It has to do with the way he's played for the Wings since coming here in 1996, his leadership qualities and his will to win. He has been, and still is, one of the best players on this team in the last 10 years. No, he has not had good playoffs the past few years but tell me exactly how many Red Wings have?? I mean, there is a reason we haven't won the Cup since 2002.

And like you said, this team is going to need some strong veteran leadership without Stevie. Shanny has been a team captain in the past and he's worn the A since coming to Detroit. He's a strong contender to wear the C next season but regardless of whether he gets it or it's given to Lids or someone else, his leadership will be needed and called upon. Shanny brings the rare combination of scoring, leadership and physicality that this team really needs.

The pressing issue is in goal. With Holland considering Belfour and Hasek, we have a real problem. The team dumps Manny because he choked in the playoffs and looked rather mentally shaky while doing it, raising questions of whether he's cut out to be a #1 goalie in the NHL. Fine. So Holland says he will replace him. But Belfour or Hasek?? A shaky Legace would be better than BOTH of those guys! Yes, there were good goalies in their day (note the past tense "were"), but at 41, their best years are in the rear view mirror. Both have been oft injured in the last few seasons, although Dom was having a phenomenal season with the Senators before he got hurt. I just can't believe Holland thinks these are our two best options in goal.

[RedRum #1 0]

This "grit", "heart" and "desire" the pro-Shanahan contingent is talking about is fleeting.....it comes and goes depending on Shanahan. My favorite Shanahan moment was when he pushed a Duck player out of the way and scored in O.T during the playoffs.....the problem is that's almost a decade ago. He rarely shows that strength or force in his game now. He's been invisible in the playoffs as many times as Datsyuk's been in the league. Shanahan represents the staleness that has come to personify the Wings right now. Even during his prime in Detroit he was never the physical presence a Tkachuck, Guerin, Bertuzzi or Neely were in their respective primes, but he was strong and nasty enough to compliment his offensive talent. That has all but gone. I'd rather move on and not bring Shanahan back under any number.