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#1 ShanahanMan

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:14 AM

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I'm starting to think we might not see any star wingers down here afterall. I think realistically, we'll have to hope for someone like Nolan......which isn't necessarily bad, its just he's no Guerin.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:24 AM

I personally would rather see Holland make no move if pulling the trigger meant selling the farm like Nashville did for Forsberg.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:25 AM

how many times has this happened at the trade deadline..... holland has high hopes....... and all the hype is up....... i wouldnt be supprised if we dont make a move... And that will disapoint me because players like (lang, williams, maltby) are disapointing me
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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:31 AM

Holland is not a good GM with a cap.

If you have all the money in the world and can spend it he is good, hell most of us could be a good GM if we had cash to spend.

Nothing of note will happen and we will get knocked out in round 1 or 2.

Holland will promise to revamp the team for a more "playoff style" "tougher" team.

We start 07-08 season in same boat.

Sound familiar?

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:41 AM

QUOTE(regwinguofmfan @ February 17, 2007 - 01:31AM) View Post

Holland is not a good GM with a cap.

If you have all the money in the world and can spend it he is good, hell most of us could be a good GM if we had cash to spend.

Nothing of note will happen and we will get knocked out in round 1 or 2.

Holland will promise to revamp the team for a more "playoff style" "tougher" team.

We start 07-08 season in same boat.

Sound familiar?


What in the hell do you want? Seriously.. what can Holland do? Offer to sell half the team in order to get another winger? Holland needs to work with what he has.

In any event, I don't know how in the f*** you can judge Holland after TWO SEASONS with a cap. Last year, all we got was Cory Cross. Big whoop. We went 17-1-3 after the trade deadline, and that one loss was the last game of the season--Babcock scratched half the team. So, I guess we didn't need anyone, eh?

f***, people like this.. man, I just don't get them. They'll spend all sorts of time attempting to contort the facts such that they can conclude everything is hopeless.f****** ridiculous.

Edited by Crymson, 17 February 2007 - 03:42 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:48 AM

we'll just see what happens. the fact is, we DO right now have a good team.....if Holland has a chance to make it better by adding a reliable winger for down the road, then awesome........if we don't end up getting anyone, I'm sure its not because Holland was sitting on his ass or playing golf and not giving a s*** like a lot of people think. I'd like to see someone new here before the deadline, but i do not think its absolutely necessary.


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Posted 17 February 2007 - 03:59 AM

QUOTE(shanahanman @ February 17, 2007 - 01:48AM) View Post

we'll just see what happens. the fact is, we DO right now have a good team.....if Holland has a chance to make it better by adding a reliable winger for down the road, then awesome........if we don't end up getting anyone, I'm sure its not because Holland was sitting on his ass or playing golf and not giving a s*** like a lot of people think. I'd like to see someone new here before the deadline, but i do not think its absolutely necessary.


No kidding. A lot of people have the "OMG, OUR TEAM SUCKS, WE CAN'T WIN, WE NEED MORE ETC." mentality. Sorry, kids--we've a pretty good team already.

Holland can only do what he can with what he has. He doesn't have many prospects or picks which he can realistically deal away, nor does he have many starters whom we can afford to lose (and who have trade value).

None of you are GMs. Relatively, you know jack. Remember this.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 05:05 AM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 17, 2007 - 03:59AM) View Post

None of you are GMs. Relatively, you know jack. Remember this.


Soldier on in the message board wars, soldier on 'til morning. Relax, though. Keep in mind these two eternal truths:

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With this knowledge held close to your heart, you may attain true peace and solidarity with mankind. Now go and spend an afternoon in reflection on Mount Hasek, where all the rest of the team roster sits on his chiseled rocky shoulder when he's not nursing an injury. This will be restorative to your wartorn soul due to the damage of the long icy campaign and ready you for what is ahead.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 06:44 AM

Abraham Lincoln said: "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time." It's even worse to be Ken Holland because no matter what he does someone will always find fault.

The Wings are in 3rd place out of the entire NHL: bear in mind that the Wings are only two points out of first place. I think Holland has built a darn good team while still remaining below the cap! A hard-hitting power forward and/or an "enforcer," might be nice, but not having one of these doesn't seem so bad when you look at that 3rd place, and who would've thought that the Wings would be where they are, at the start of this season?!

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 08:28 AM

A trade may come, a trade may not come....at least we got all the angles covered!

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QUOTE(Crymson @ February 17, 2007 - 02:59AM) View Post

None of you are GMs. Relatively, you know jack. Remember this.

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QUOTE(regwinguofmfan @ February 17, 2007 - 02:31AM) View Post

Holland is not a good GM with a cap.

If you have all the money in the world and can spend it he is good, hell most of us could be a good GM if we had cash to spend.

Nothing of note will happen and we will get knocked out in round 1 or 2.

Holland will promise to revamp the team for a more "playoff style" "tougher" team.

We start 07-08 season in same boat.

Sound familiar?

Glad to know where your confidence level stands and your already know what's going to happen. If that's the case why even play the remaining games or watch? We might as well just build a time machine and warp to October 2007 and start next season right now!

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:16 AM

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"If there's a fit, at the right price, we'll do it," Holland said. "(But) I'm not going to do something just for the sake of doing something."

Babcock seconds that.

"That's not how we manage our program," said Babcock, of people wondering how the Wings will respond to Nashville's acquisition. "We don't respond to what other people do. We respond to what we think is right."

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ February 17, 2007 - 08:28AM) View Post

A trade may come, a trade may not come....at least we got all the angles covered!

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My name is Jack, do I know Jack? biggrin.gif
Glad to know where your confidence level stands and your already know what's going to happen. If that's the case why even play the remaining games or watch? We might as well just build a time machine and warp to October 2007 and start next season right now!


Yeah, maybe we should, wouldn't make any difference, we'll still have the same SOFT, euro-intensive, team who's offense can go desert dry at the drop of a hat with players that refuse to stand up for one another when the team's stars get cheap shotted.

Why all the Holland love here? He sat on his hands all through the off-season, then claimed he did it to save room to acquire a big gun later in the season. Then as time went by he said he was waiting till the deadline to pull any triggers, and now he is laying the foundation for doing nothing at all. I can understand if he is getting outbid for the offensive stars, but there is no excuse why he can't acquire a Laraque/Drake/Mayers type of grinder.

Have we all forgotten the Philly debacle so soon? or how about the times this season we have been destroyed by san jose, nashville, anaheim, and yes, last place philly.

folks, i do not care what their record is, and i do not care if you say i am not a true fan, but any fan not wearing blinders can see that this team is built about as wrong as you can be for a playoff run, with the exception of Hasek.

i am a die hard wings fan, and if this is the team we go into the playoffs with, we will be destroyed round 1.

Edited by alienanxiety, 17 February 2007 - 09:23 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE(alienanxiety @ February 17, 2007 - 08:22AM) View Post

i am a die hard wings fan, and if this is the team we go into the playoffs with, we will be destroyed round 1.

How do you know this? You can read minds in the future as well? Nobody knows what is going to happen a few months down the road.

Nobody is dismissing what has happened in recent seasons or the brainfart losses every now and then. WE GET IT.

Some of us don't think the playoffs are already over before it hasn't even started in two months. I won't be surprised if this team might bow out in the 2nd round, but give this team a chance for crying out loud, current roster or somewhat fine-tuned roster after the trading deadline.

I'm glad some people here aren't the players, if you all had the "We;re screwed" attitude, the Wings wouldn't even be in the playoffs at all.

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 17 February 2007 - 09:31 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:29 AM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ February 17, 2007 - 09:27AM) View Post

How do you know this? You can read minds in the future as well? Nobody knows what is going to happen a few months down the road.

Nobody is dismissing what has happened in recent seasons or the brainfart losses every now and then. WE GET IT.

Some of us don't think the playoffs are already over before it hasn't even started in two months. Give this team a chance for crying out loud, current roster or somewhat fine-tuned roster after the trading deadline.


it's called making a prediction. happens all the time in sports.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE(alienanxiety @ February 17, 2007 - 08:29AM) View Post

it's called making a prediction. happens all the time in sports.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE(ZetterBurger40 @ February 17, 2007 - 03:24AM) View Post

I personally would rather see Holland make no move if pulling the trigger meant selling the farm like Nashville did for Forsberg.


I agree. Our playoffs are going to come down to Hasek. WIll he be healthy and dominate? No one we get at the deadline's going to be the difference. I'm not saying we shouldn't look for what we can do, just not count on that and certainly to your point not jeopardize the future.

And I'm good with that, I'd rather go for bust with Hasek then have the certainty of a medocre goaltender and trade for a scorer where we end up going an extra round but not all the way.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ February 17, 2007 - 09:33AM) View Post

Thank you Captain Obvious.



Well if it was so obvious, then why bust my balls for it? If we play San Jose or Anaheim in the first round we will lose, if we manage to pull past Nashville and play Dallas/Minnesota/Vancouver we should be able to take them. These predictions are based on the team we have now, if no moves are made.

Edited by alienanxiety, 17 February 2007 - 09:41 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2007 - 10:11 AM

QUOTE(Barrie @ February 17, 2007 - 09:16AM) View Post

We have a smart organization.


I was gonna quote the same thing Barrie.

Guys, Holland isnt an idiot, give him a break.

IMO I'd rather not trade for any of the guys on the list in that article. Guerin is past his prime and on the downslope, and Nolan is kinda the same deal. Betuzzi... well maybe, but I really dont like the guy. Even though he is what we need.

I'd rather not trade away a great prospect (Flips, Huds, Kindl, Kronwall, etc) or high draft picks (which we desperatly need to keep youth in the system) for a past-his-prime player, who may help us just for this season then be gone the next.
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Posted 17 February 2007 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE(regwinguofmfan @ February 17, 2007 - 03:31AM) View Post

Holland is not a good GM with a cap.

If you have all the money in the world and can spend it he is good, hell most of us could be a good GM if we had cash to spend.

Nothing of note will happen and we will get knocked out in round 1 or 2.

Holland will promise to revamp the team for a more "playoff style" "tougher" team.

We start 07-08 season in same boat.

Sound familiar?

Sounds like it's time to abbreviate the user name to just "uofmfan" to me.

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 10:59 AM

QUOTE(regwinguofmfan @ February 17, 2007 - 03:31AM) View Post

Holland is not a good GM with a cap.


Well he's got a winning team, and about 5 million in cap space to spare. 4 million from the Shanny void, 1.44 million from Fischer being on long-term cap relief.





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